The proper use of the 3rd generation magnetic ride control system

[Fenderaddict2]

Putting this system in an overly bulky Camaro so it can basically tie a IRS lumbered Mustang is a pathetic use for such amazing technology as is putting it in the new Range Rover. At first I was impressed with the system and the way it transformed the Camaro into a track star. I even imagined how it could make the Boss or Shelby a better car! Then the new Viper came out. Watching the track version of that car lap a track makes me realize nothing beats a car engineered from the ground up to live on the track. The correct use of this system is the way Ferrari uses it in the 458 Italia...to make a track car liveable on the street. Fact is, the new GTR-S Viper would benefit from this system more than the Camaro or Mustang. Hopefully a next generation lighter Camaro with a better sorted chassis and suspension will really show the benefits of this amazing system rather than the band-aid approach currently taken that we all have Ooohed and Aaahed over. Not intended to put the ZL1 down or start a fight but think of the real possibilies this systems affords a clean sheet car.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...wow, WoW, and WOW....LOL....face the facts...sell your car and come over to our side and get over the fact you have to spend so much time trying to defend your product.....LOLOL....

[Taser Deployed]

Never heard this one before.

[Pro Stock John]

thanks for passing through and you have yourself a very merry christmas

[oortcloud]

If they redesign the camaro to be like the viper for 55k count me in! In the meantime I'm waiting for my blue ray metallic zl1, which may take a few months. I will buy which ever comes out first!

[shank0668]

"Not trying to put the ZL1 down" Then completely call's it a piece...

The ZL1 is lacking in power.... That is it's downfall. Certainly not handling or braking. It really doesn't help that it's on a sedan chassis, the car is massive.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Putting this system in an overly bulky Camaro so it can basically tie a IRS lumbered Mustang is a pathetic use for such amazing technology as is putting it in the new Range Rover. At first I was impressed with the system and the way it transformed the Camaro into a track star. I even imagined how it could make the Boss or Shelby a better car! Then the new Viper came out. Watching the track version of that car lap a track makes me realize nothing beats a car engineered from the ground up to live on the track. The correct use of this system is the way Ferrari uses it in the 458 Italia...to make a track car liveable on the street. Fact is, the new GTR-S Viper would benefit from this system more than the Camaro or Mustang. Hopefully a next generation lighter Camaro with a better sorted chassis and suspension will really show the benefits of this amazing system rather than the band-aid approach currently taken that we all have Ooohed and Aaahed over. Not intended to put the ZL1 down or start a fight but think of the real possibilies this systems affords a clean sheet car.

I guess I just disagree. The MRC is pure genius in my eyes. I don't measure my cars by how well they do at the track though, but how much enjoyment I get living with them.

[RoketRdr]

Ferrari adopted the MRC system from GM not the other way around. The ZR1 developed the MRCII system and then it was further refined by Cadillac for the CTS-V which was initial development for the MRCIII on the ZL1. Ferrari took the technology they learned from Cadillac on the MRCII and incorporated it into the 458 Italia. Its still a version of the MRCII so even they are behind the 8 ball compared to the MRCIII on the ZL1. Anywho...thanks for stopping by just to start a fight.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Putting this system in an overly bulky Camaro so it can basically tie a IRS lumbered Mustang is a pathetic use for such amazing technology as is putting it in the new Range Rover. At first I was impressed with the system and the way it transformed the Camaro into a track star. I even imagined how it could make the Boss or Shelby a better car! Then the new Viper came out. Watching the track version of that car lap a track makes me realize nothing beats a car engineered from the ground up to live on the track. The correct use of this system is the way Ferrari uses it in the 458 Italia...to make a track car liveable on the street. Fact is, the new GTR-S Viper would benefit from this system more than the Camaro or Mustang. Hopefully a next generation lighter Camaro with a better sorted chassis and suspension will really show the benefits of this amazing system rather than the band-aid approach currently taken that we all have Ooohed and Aaahed over. Not intended to put the ZL1 down or start a fight but think of the real possibilies this systems affords a clean sheet car.

"....Pathetic use for such amazing technology......."


I see.



So -- you've driven a ZL1 for how many miles?

And you've helped to engineer/design how many different vehicles?



You are treading on very thin ice, my equine friend.


You do not have to be a Camaro Enthusiast to be on this site - but I take exception to 'pathetic use'

[CAM....ZL1]

Sounds like just a little jealously that his arch rival has
Such a piece of art, such that makes a great car a super car.
It's just a shame that people can't be happy for everyone that
Enjoys a certain brand.
I'm not upset that fords car is faster , but at am pleased with my product
And knowing what I know about the performance of both cars still would make the same choice. I am GM loyal and just don't care for the other products
Available , not any of them. It's a choice ,it's my choice.
There are several brands that go above and beyond the quality and price
Of both of these cars. To be able to afford a car that brings the performance
And engineering that the ZL1 brings is simply magnificent .

[RoketRdr]

Originally Posted by CAM....ZL1

Sounds like just a little jealously that his arch rival has
Such a piece of art, such that makes a great car a super car.
It's just a shame that people can't be happy for everyone that
Enjoys a certain brand.
I'm not upset that fords car is faster , but at am pleased with my product
And knowing what I know about the performance of both cars still would make the same choice. I am GM loyal and just don't care for the other products
Available , not any of them. It's a choice ,it's my choice.
There are several brands that go above and beyond the quality and price
Of both of these cars. To be able to afford a car that brings the performance
And engineering that the ZL1 brings is simply magnificent .

+1

[IcePick06]

The ZL1 is a heavy car and IMHO needed the Magnetic Ride suspension to simultaneously pull duty as a comfortable daily driver and also a major trackday weapon. That is why I bought the ZL1 over the GT500 as I could have easily afforded the extra $3k for the electronically adjustable bilstein dampers on the Mustang, but they still don't have the complete duality of the ZL1's 3rd gen magnetic ride system. I will admit the ZL1 could use more Horsepower but as I've said in many other post, the ZL1 has to slot in somewhere between the base corvette and the top notch ZR1...since the Corvette was and always will be Chevy's main sports car.

I hope GM incorporates this latest 3rd gen technology into the C7 corvette (in fact I'd bet my life that they will ) and I'm sure a clean sheet design car such as the C7 which is lighter and more nimble will benefit from the technology but that isn't to say the ZL1 (which is the best camaro ever) shouldn't have been given such equipment

[Taser Deployed]

Originally Posted by CAM....ZL1

Sounds like just a little jealously that his arch rival has
Such a piece of art, such that makes a great car a super car.
It's just a shame that people can't be happy for everyone that
Enjoys a certain brand.
I'm not upset that fords car is faster , but at am pleased with my product
And knowing what I know about the performance of both cars still would make the same choice. I am GM loyal and just don't care for the other products
Available , not any of them. It's a choice ,it's my choice.
There are several brands that go above and beyond the quality and price
Of both of these cars. To be able to afford a car that brings the performance
And engineering that the ZL1 brings is simply magnificent .

Well put.

[Taser Deployed]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

"....Pathetic use for such amazing technology......."


I see.



So -- you've driven a ZL1 for how many miles?

And you've helped to engineer/design how many different vehicles?



You are treading on very thin ice, my equine friend.


You do not have to be a Camaro Enthusiast to be on this site - but I take exception to 'pathetic use'

Uh oh you've done it now!

[The IOM Ninja]

What I don't understand is why everyone is impressed that BWI Magnaride Gen 3 makes the ZL1 handle so well. It shouldn't come as a surprise, it's one of the most advanced, if not the most, Adjustable Suspension systems available for production vehicles. Ferrari uses Magnaride Gen 3 on their FF but the fact that you can get it on a car that costs significantly less than even the ZR1 Corvette is impressive.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

What I don't understand is why everyone is impressed that BWI Magnaride Gen 3 makes the ZL1 handle so well. It shouldn't come as a surprise, it's one of the most advanced, if not the most, Adjustable Suspension systems available for production vehicles. Ferrari uses Magnaride Gen 3 on their FF but the fact that you can get it on a car that costs significantly less than even the ZR1 Corvette is impressive.

You kind of contradicted yourself there. You say its one of the most advanced, if not the most, advanced suspension systems on a car. Then at the same time no one is supposed to be impressed. What suspension system superior to this would impress you?

[Sc0rPs]

First, having it on the Camaro is genius especially for its class. The cars you go on about as "track cars" are $100k+! I like both Camaro & Mustang... just Camaro more for purely looks and I hope each manufacture keeps upping the bar giving us a better ride. Oh, not sure about you but I do not live at the track... it's every day roads I usually see. For that, Camaro is the better choice... and for circuits. If it was 1/4 mile smooth straight roads then Mustang.

[RJTV6A]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

What I don't understand is why everyone is impressed that BWI Magnaride Gen 3 makes the ZL1 handle so well. It shouldn't come as a surprise, it's one of the most advanced, if not the most, Adjustable Suspension systems available for production vehicles. Ferrari uses Magnaride Gen 3 on their FF but the fact that you can get it on a car that costs significantly less than even the ZR1 Corvette is impressive.

I take his reply as it should not be a surprise but with the technology it should be EXPECTED.

I do not own a ZL1 but did have the opportunity to drive a ZL1 for a few miles. The "Tour" versus the "Sport" settings was the feature I wanted to test the most. I didn't even take the car over 50 mph or 3,500 rpm. I work at a dealership and was asked to take the car "gently" for gas. The dealer principal knew that just one simple tire spin would leave groove marks in the tires and wanted this ZL1 treated with the utmost respect.

Dave

[Bob Cosby]

For me, the Camaro is too heavy. Mustang is too heavy. Hopefully Corvette doesn't get any heavier. Get the lead out and whatever suspension system underpins these cars will do a MUCH better job.

Hopefully the next gen of all three (and we should see all three new gens within the next three years....that's a lot of three's...anyways...) will be SIGNFICANTLY lighter.

And yes, my bias is weight, no matter how magical the suspension is (ZL1) or how much HP the engine makes (GT500).

[PistonsFan]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Putting this system in an overly bulky Camaro so it can basically tie a IRS lumbered Mustang is a pathetic use for such amazing technology as is putting it in the new Range Rover. At first I was impressed with the system and the way it transformed the Camaro into a track star. I even imagined how it could make the Boss or Shelby a better car! Then the new Viper came out. Watching the track version of that car lap a track makes me realize nothing beats a car engineered from the ground up to live on the track. The correct use of this system is the way Ferrari uses it in the 458 Italia...to make a track car liveable on the street. Fact is, the new GTR-S Viper would benefit from this system more than the Camaro or Mustang. Hopefully a next generation lighter Camaro with a better sorted chassis and suspension will really show the benefits of this amazing system rather than the band-aid approach currently taken that we all have Ooohed and Aaahed over. Not intended to put the ZL1 down or start a fight but think of the real possibilies this systems affords a clean sheet car.

Having a bad day or something?

MRC makes sense for ANY performance vehicle as it brakes the fundamental trade-off of ride harshness vs. handling performance.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by RJTV6A

I take his reply as it should not be a surprise but with the technology it should be EXPECTED.

I do not own a ZL1 but did have the opportunity to drive a ZL1 for a few miles. The "Tour" versus the "Sport" settings was the feature I wanted to test the most. I didn't even take the car over 50 mph or 3,500 rpm. I work at a dealership and was asked to take the car "gently" for gas. The dealer principal knew that just one simple tire spin would leave groove marks in the tires and wanted this ZL1 treated with the utmost respect.

Dave

If this statement is a reply to my former statement then, this is exactly what I meant. BWI Magnaride Gen 3 does exactly what it's designed to do their for I'm not impressed because it should be expected....

[Ciscokid]

This kind of post makes me laugh so much. People just don't get technology these days. What a person considers to be kick ass technology in a car that is publicly released is nothing compared to the tech getting birthed in R&D. What is publicly available today will always evolve into something better.
I'm sure the next gen vette will have advanced tech in it that blows away the current tech on the streets.
Technology in cars, laptops, video games, phones is evolving at such a great pace, the normal consumer won't be able to keep up with the evolution of the technology.
If you expect the latest tech to be in everything at the same time, you will never enjoy any of it.
Good luck expecting the best (current) tech in cars, it will never happen. As soon as you buy the latest tech, it will be replaced within 3-6 months. You can't argue with this, you have to accept it as reality and decide if you want to participate or not.

[Mr.R]

All I can say is that this is the best suspension I've experienced in a sports car. Everyone is surprised how smooth it is in the Tour mode and I love how it sticks to the road and how flat the car turns/grips in both modes. I think I've only heard a slight tire squeal twice so far - and I've been turning many times over 1g, with 1.15g once! It is just amazing! I also love the fact that Sport mode quickens/hardens the steering!
GREAT JOB GM!

[Vette TPI]

The ZL1 isn't a track ready car.... Then why does it have a warranty that is good even on the track?

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Originally Posted by tonyfred

The OP reminds me of the ugly girl at the dance who keeps saying she doesnt like to dance anyway. I tell you what is pathetic....a Mustang owner who sits around reading and posting on a Camaro site.

Ouch!