ZL1 vs ??

[9c1ny]

ok, I am sick of seeing the ZL1 VS the 13' GT500 comparisons, the ZL1 lost fair and square in every test (real world tests not magazine editor's opinions)

The facts are despite how GM managed an 11.9 out of the car not a single "real world" person has been able to duplicate this

The ZL1 has been raped on the 1/4 mile and road racing

The GT500 responds more favorably to mods

ect ect

lets just admit the '13 GT500 is in an entirely different universe of performance and start doing some more fair comparisons

I understand alot of these are "magazine" tests but someone has to be interested in setting up some independent tests

What I would love to see-

ZL1 vs CTSv (coupe and wagon)

ZL1 vs pre '13 GT500

ZL1 vs Grand Sport Corvette

ZL1 vs the Boss Mustang

ZL1 vs the SLP ZL Camaros

ect ect ect ect

Someone must want to represent the ZL1 in a more evenly matched battle!

[DanSS24]

Never gonna happen. Plus, I wouldn't want it any other way. So what if the ZL1 lost to the GT500, I am just happy there is a Camaro vs Mustang. They are both great products and would love to have both, but being a Camaro guy (and always will be), I am still going to buy ZL1. The beauty of rivalries, is that, each company will always attempt to make their product better than the other. And again, the real winner is the consumer.

[Mr. Unassailable]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

ZL1 vs CTSv (coupe and wagon)

ZL1 vs the Boss Mustang

ZL1 vs the SLP ZL Camaros

I think those 3 would be good.

I'd pick. ZL1, ZL1, SLP

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Relax man, and stop drinking the koolaid. The ZL1 is a great car.

[Silverguardrail]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

ok, I am sick of seeing the ZL1 VS the 13' GT500 comparisons, the ZL1 lost fair and square in every test (real world tests not magazine editor's opinions)

The facts are despite how GM managed an 11.9 out of the car not a single "real world" person has been able to duplicate this

The ZL1 has been raped on the 1/4 mile and road racing

The GT500 responds more favorably to mods

ect ect

lets just admit the '13 GT500 is in an entirely different universe of performance and start doing some more fair comparisons

I understand alot of these are "magazine" tests but someone has to be interested in setting up some independent tests

What I would love to see-

ZL1 vs CTSv (coupe and wagon)

ZL1 vs pre '13 GT500

ZL1 vs Grand Sport Corvette

ZL1 vs the Boss Mustang

ZL1 vs the SLP ZL Camaros

ect ect ect ect

Someone must want to represent the ZL1 in a more evenly matched battle!

I really DON'T care about ANY comparisons, I bought what I wanted for me. PERIOD.

My ZL1 is awesome to me and that's what works for me.

BTW you live in my area, do you still have a Camaro or Z06 ?

Enjoy what you drive

[CAM....ZL1]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

ok, I am sick of seeing the ZL1 VS the 13' GT500 comparisons, the ZL1 lost fair and square in every test (real world tests not magazine editor's opinions)

The facts are despite how GM managed an 11.9 out of the car not a single "real world" person has been able to duplicate this

The ZL1 has been raped on the 1/4 mile and road racing

The GT500 responds more favorably to mods

ect ect

lets just admit the '13 GT500 is in an entirely different universe of performance and start doing some more fair comparisons

I understand alot of these are "magazine" tests but someone has to be interested in setting up some independent tests

What I would love to see-

ZL1 vs CTSv (coupe and wagon)

ZL1 vs pre '13 GT500

ZL1 vs Grand Sport Corvette

ZL1 vs the Boss Mustang

ZL1 vs the SLP ZL Camaros

ect ect ect ect

Someone must want to represent the ZL1 in a more evenly matched battle!

I just can't understand how one faster lap on a course with long straights
Makes the GT 500 a better track car. Put the two an a road course with twisties
And straights and run 10 or 20 laps and watch what happens, I think we all know that the zl1 would quickly reel in the 500 and then separate . Funny how they put them on a track with very few turns and long straits. Just to prove what we already know that it's faster in a straight line . I personally don't consider 3 laps a race to compare what we all know what the zl1 is capable of. Not that I would ever even see a 13 500 , heck i've only seen a couple older 500's in the past 5 years.

[Van@RevanRacing]

Originally Posted by CAM....ZL1

I just can't understand how one faster lap on a course with long straights
Makes the GT 500 a better track car. Put the two an a road course with twisties
And straights and run 10 or 20 laps and watch what happens, I think we all know that the zl1 would quickly reel in the 500 and then separate . Funny how they put them on a track with very few turns and long straits. Just to prove what we already know that it's faster in a straight line . I personally don't consider 3 laps a race to compare what we all know what the zl1 is capable of. Not that I would ever even see a 13 500 , heck i've only seen a couple older 500's in the past 5 years.

Did that yesterday at Homestead. 14 turns 2.2 miles. Did you see my video where I reeled in the ZL1 over a course of multiple laps?

I also rode in the ZL1 and as an instructor for a number of years I was impressed with the MRC on turn in at certain points on the track. I'm equally impressed with the suspension in my 2013 GT500 and I think a better observation would be to review the two cars on multiple tracks.

This is something I can do with Erik from Torq.

Sebring, Homestead, PBIR and Daytona.

But those are probably too long. What road course would you suggest the interior course at Las Vegas Motor Speedway?

[9c1ny]

Originally Posted by Silverguardrail

I really DON'T care about ANY comparisons, I bought what I wanted for me. PERIOD.

My ZL1 is awesome to me and that's what works for me.

BTW you live in my area, do you still have a Camaro or Z06 ?

Enjoy what you drive

I'm in the southtowns and I have my 2008 Z06 still

[Wolty]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

ok, I am sick of seeing the ZL1 VS the 13' GT500 comparisons, the ZL1 lost fair and square in every test (real world tests not magazine editor's opinions)

The facts are despite how GM managed an 11.9 out of the car not a single "real world" person has been able to duplicate this

The ZL1 has been raped on the 1/4 mile and road racing

The GT500 responds more favorably to mods

ect ect

lets just admit the '13 GT500 is in an entirely different universe of performance and start doing some more fair comparisons

I understand alot of these are "magazine" tests but someone has to be interested in setting up some independent tests

What I would love to see-

ZL1 vs CTSv (coupe and wagon)

ZL1 vs pre '13 GT500

ZL1 vs Grand Sport Corvette

ZL1 vs the Boss Mustang

ZL1 vs the SLP ZL Camaros

ect ect ect ect

Someone must want to represent the ZL1 in a more evenly matched battle!

First of all, what does "ect ect" mean? Did you mean "etc etc"?

Second, I loved the line in the video " Life is more than a quarter mile"... in the long run the ZL1 is a better car

[evolve]

What about the 1LE?

[evolve]

Originally Posted by Wolty

First of all, what does "ect ect" mean? Did you mean "etc etc"?

Second, I loved the line in the video " Life is more than a quarter mile"... in the long run the ZL1 is a better car

Better is sooo subjective. Better for whom?? Its an awesome car, but better that a GT500, well, some may disagree. What does it matter anyway, both are killer cars! Im more of a Z06 guy myself (buying in 1 week)

[2Z's4me]

Originally Posted by evolve

Better is sooo subjective. Better for whom?? Its an awesome car, but better that a GT500, well, some may disagree. What does it matter anyway, both are killer cars! Im more of a Z06 guy myself (buying in 1 week)

Agree both are great cars and so is the Z06!!

[Frankzl1]

Originally Posted by Silverguardrail

I really DON'T care about ANY comparisons, I bought what I wanted for me. PERIOD.

My ZL1 is awesome to me and that's what works for me.

BTW you live in my area, do you still have a Camaro or Z06 ?

Enjoy what you drive

[TheReaper]

It doesn't matter who wins or loses. Camaro guys will buy Camaros and Mustang guys will buy Mustangs. We all win in my opinion.

[LINMUP]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

ok, I am sick of seeing the ZL1 VS the 13' GT500 comparisons, the ZL1 lost fair and square in every test (real world tests not magazine editor's opinions)

The facts are despite how GM managed an 11.9 out of the car not a single "real world" person has been able to duplicate this

.Someone must want to represent the ZL1 in a more evenly matched battle!

Wrong there....there is a member that has gone 11.4 with slick and skinnies and a couple of guys have been in the 11.7-11.9 range, I think with a drag radial.

[Van@RevanRacing]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

It doesn't matter who wins or loses. Camaro guys will buy Camaros and Mustang guys will buy Mustangs. We all win in my opinion.

[zero]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Relax man, and stop drinking the koolaid. The ZL1 is a great car.

thats part of the problem, a certain few GM guys were hyping the ZL1 like no tomorrow and everyone was believing the hype and drinking the koolaid. As a SS owner hearing all this hype and when the tests starting to come out that the ZL1 wasn`t all that and people still make excuses for the car.

Am I a camaro hater..no.. I had my 2010 SS ordered in.
Do I believe the GM hype from the development team, not really .. the claimed the L99 was gonna be faster to 60 than the LS3...

I bet the ring times are pre production ringer also... Do I sense another letter to the camaro nation explaining the magazine comfort win?

[2ndCamaro79]

I would like to see more ZL1 vs fill in the blank, but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. The Shelby/ZL1 angle has been so over covered, you will not see either car in the media for some time. I think some ZL1 owners are tired of the vs stuff because the ZL1 has been struggling a bit. When your talking performance the VS talk is a way of life. The ZL1 is a great car, that just needs a little more HP. That being said I am ordering a 14 ZL1 Vert with or without the HP bump. I never thought the Camaro would lose so much performance ground to the Mustang, but hey every dog has its day.

[Taser Deployed]

I'm so tired of this versus crap! The really funny thing is that most people that are commenting don't have either car but are giving their expert opinion. I bet most probably haven't seen either car in person as well. These are both really good cars and yes I've had the pleasure to experience both. I made my choice and I'm smiling everyday because of it. I understand the rivalry but damn people! You would be lucky to have either car for the price they're going for! Enough venting...... Im going for my Sunday joyride.

[2ndCamaro79]

I don't think you need to own either car to enjoy the competition. Its like saying you don't have season tickets so you can't root for your favorite team:(. Owning or liking a performance car like the ZL1 or Shelby puts you at ground zero in the performance war zone. Its just a way of life, and sometimes your flush and sometimes your bust. Camaro vs Mustang is like Redskins vs Cowboys or Soxs vs Yankees if you don't like the VS stuff boy you choose the wrong type of car. And just like in sports if your car does not win every game it does not mean your going to switch teams. You just hope every year you get better till your back on top again. As a Camaro fan we have a little ground to make up in 2014

[9c1ny]

Originally Posted by LINMUP

Wrong there....there is a member that has gone 11.4 with slick and skinnies and a couple of guys have been in the 11.7-11.9 range, I think with a drag radial.

GM claimed the 11.9 was stock, the ctsv can do it why can't the zl1??

[Snakedriver]

It would be pretty Pathetic if the 13 GT500 didn't outperform the ZL1 at least in straight line performance with a 100HP advantage.

[Silverguardrail]

Here's what Tony Roma claims and has the time slips to show.

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/video-gm-e...-drag-radials/

[lbls1]

I hate to say this, but the ZL1 will not be able to get away from its natural rival, that being the GT500. With that said, I am hoping that chevy will at least attempt to answer all of the ford's attributes with the camaro. As good as the zl1 is, IMO it leaves a lot to be desired when compared with the gt500 (sorry but that's as honest as I can be).

By itself the zl1 seems like a very good automobile, but if it intends to stand up to its closest rival, then chevrolet will need to come up with some cost effective alternatives to gain more speed (like a combination of weight loss and at least a modest uptick in hp).

[kbar4782]

Wasn't the ZL1 actually built/designed to compete with the 2011-2012 GT500? Ford released the specs on the 2013 after GM released the numbers on the ZL1. I'm not making excuses here. The 2013 GT500 is an animal. I'm just saying that I don't think GM saw it coming and my 2012 Zl1 should be compared to a 2012 GT500 and the tests would be much closer. Just my .02