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Old 05-19-2009, 04:00 PM   #1
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good pic or dimension of NON-auto-dim inside mirror?

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I've got a auto-dim mirror that is a view-hog and want to replace it (has onstar)

has anybody got a clear pic of a NON auto dim ( in a 2010 camaro) or maybe even a dimension from top to bottom?

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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:21 PM   #2
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which ones come with non auto dim?
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:23 PM   #3
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LS, 1LT, or 1SS
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:24 PM   #4
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Here's a pic from a 1SS (not mine so I can't get you dimensions):

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Old 05-19-2009, 04:25 PM   #5
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I've got a auto-dim mirror that is a view-hog and want to replace it (has onstar)

has anybody got a clear pic of a NON auto dim ( in a 2010 camaro) or maybe even a dimension from top to bottom?

thanks all!
Still haven't figured out how unplug OnStar yet.
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:26 PM   #6
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Here's a picture of my 1SS
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:26 PM   #7
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Silly thought, are the dim/non-dim mirrors the same size???
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:28 PM   #8
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LDGn63 - can you post a picture of yours so we can all compare it with the one from slick rick?
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:46 PM   #9
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Silly thought, are the dim/non-dim mirrors the same size???
I think the rear view mirror in the cabin is smaller if it does not have auto dim (not sure though)
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:27 PM   #10
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The insider rear view mirror on the 1LT and 2SS CTFs I have are the same. The only difference is the sensor on the front side.

The picture posted by slick rick is a different mirror than what is on either of the two cars in the garage.

Perhaps a production change to address the visibility issue. This was covered in another thread earlier. In that thread I poo pooed the issue, although the mirror in the photo above would be better for those that want an improvement.

So I don't know if the non-auto dimming mirror is now smaller in production.
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:45 AM   #11
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I have a 1LT here that was built 4-27-09 according to its Chassis Rider (buildsheet), and I can get you a dimension from it later this evening when my wife returns home with the car. Mine looks just like the one in the picture above. As suggested, maybe there is a "running change" and that probably should be docuemented to which cars got a smaller mirror. I know that I do not like the mirror w/o the auto dimming feature as the lever to "flip" it to dim on the car I have is a pain in arse to reach while driving. In this day and age auto dimming mirrors should be standard on any car as it would be one less thing for the driver to worry about...........RatPack...............
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:22 AM   #12
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No they should not be standard.. because they suck.

Try it out in the Texas hill country with a guy in a F350 on your ass and no street lights with rolling hills. After your eye's are blinded then it kicks in (they are too slow).
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:09 AM   #13
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Thanks all.
Funny bothpix are from 1ss's but mirrors are definately different.
Mine is like the fist. I will take pix and measurements tonite and post.
Gotta look into purchasing one like the 2nd pic.
Thanks again!
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:02 PM   #14
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I don't think there will be a difference between the 1SS and 2SS (or 1LT and 2LT), they both still have the onstar built in.... maybe the LS mirror would be different? Or does it still have OnStar and just not come with the service?
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:27 PM   #15
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I don't think there will be a difference between the 1SS and 2SS (or 1LT and 2LT), they both still have the onstar built in.... maybe the LS mirror would be different? Or does it still have OnStar and just not come with the service?
both folks said above that the pix posted were 1SS... mirrors are different...

maybe they just have a "grab bag" O'mirrors on the assy line!

please note that this is the only feature that I dislike about my car... and I HATE it (the mirror).

I have GOT to find something different... even if i take a hacksaw to the backside so i can shove it up higher. (there is a plastic cover coming down from the roof that is in the way)
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-21-2009, 04:52 AM   #16
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both folks said above that the pix posted were 1SS... mirrors are different...

maybe they just have a "grab bag" O'mirrors on the assy line!

please note that this is the only feature that I dislike about my car... and I HATE it (the mirror).

I have GOT to find something different... even if i take a hacksaw to the backside so i can shove it up higher. (there is a plastic cover coming down from the roof that is in the way)
LDGn63, I don't have my 1SS/RS yet, but I know from what I saw (or couldn't see) in the dealers 2LT/RS, that the mirror is the main negative from my standpoint. It does sit too low, and I know I'm going to want to do something about it when I get my Camaro. As far as the difference between the two mirrors, they look like they're the same except for that little bit on either side of the buttons that have been shaved off, since it's the non-dimming mirror. It looks like it'll be a little bit better, but more than likely not enough. As I believe you stated somewhere else, I also see it as a safety issue! I'm not an automotive engineer, nor am I a car designer, but I honestly can't figure out the logic behind setting it as low as they have?! If you figure out something before I do, please let me know how you solved the problem?
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:56 AM   #17
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LDGn63, I don't have my 1SS/RS yet, but I know from what I saw (or couldn't see) in the dealers 2LT/RS, that the mirror is the main negative from my standpoint. It does sit too low, and I know I'm going to want to do something about it when I get my Camaro. As far as the difference between the two mirrors, they look like they're the same except for that little bit on either side of the buttons that have been shaved off, since it's the non-dimming mirror. It looks like it'll be a little bit better, but more than likely not enough. As I believe you stated somewhere else, I also see it as a safety issue! I'm not an automotive engineer, nor am I a car designer, but I honestly can't figure out the logic behind setting it as low as they have?! If you figure out something before I do, please let me know how you solved the problem?
What I don't understand is why so much black over the mirror on the glass? Can that be removed??
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What I don't understand is why so much black over the mirror on the glass? Can that be removed??
Oh, I absolutely agree with you on that! Honestly, I don't know what purpose it serves? I want that off as well.
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:56 AM   #19
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well, i didnt get a picture but i DID measure the depth... 3 5/8" top to bottom.
I think the thickness (front to back) may cotribute to not being able to get it higher.
I PROMISE i will take some good pix of what I have and any solution I can find.

i may also stop by my local dealer once a week to see which car (v6) they get and compare...

Thanks all for posting!

BTW... on the black stuff behind the mirror.... i just had my visor tinted to line up with it and is is not as noticable outside the car... i dont really see it inside because of the big honkin MIRROR! ;-)
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:10 AM   #20
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Still haven't figured out how unplug OnStar yet.
should just be a fuse...
check the diagram on the back of the lid. usually tells you what they are for.
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:14 AM   #21
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Old 05-21-2009, 10:57 AM   #22
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Orange,
yup, that is just like my 2SS. (like a solar eclipse)
hopefully the 1LT and 1SS all have the smaller mirrors and I can order one.

slick rick,
would you mind snapping a pic from the side to show thickness?
and maybe measure the face top to bottom?

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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:36 PM   #23
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as promised

pix... might try to remove that plastic cover hiding wiring on the windshield...
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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