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Old 07-09-2012, 01:03 PM   #86
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It's easier for them to challenge a rival in this case cause they know what the boss can do. No simulations needed.
I'll wait until the car is in production and being run before I believe what it can actually do.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:43 PM   #87
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I'll wait until the car is in production and being run before I believe what it can actually do.

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Old 07-09-2012, 06:23 PM   #88
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I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.
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I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.
We would all like to see something. The car is coming out in a month and all we have is pics and a 10 second video clip. Pretty disappointed that there was little to no hype for the 1LE like there was with the ZL1. I know it's not it's own model but I think it deserves more recognition than what it's getting.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:12 PM   #90
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I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.

this.......

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We would all like to see something. The car is coming out in a month and all we have is pics and a 10 second video clip. Pretty disappointed that there was little to no hype for the 1LE like there was with the ZL1. I know it's not it's own model but I think it deserves more recognition than what it's getting.
and this............
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:25 PM   #92
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We would all like to see something. The car is coming out in a month and all we have is pics and a 10 second video clip. Pretty disappointed that there was little to no hype for the 1LE like there was with the ZL1. I know it's not it's own model but I think it deserves more recognition than what it's getting.
These topics are really heating up.


You know it wouldn't take a whole lot to change a 1LE................................ to a Z.
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They can swing the marketing pendulum back to the Camaro with the Z28/LS7. If they wait too long sales will decline and they will give the Mustang control again in the pony car wars.
Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:43 PM   #94
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Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.
I think a good number of individuals will trade up from an SS to a Z28. The name has the strongest identity for the Camaro. Build it and "it" will sell well...very well.
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As I see it;
Mustang V-6=Camaro V-6..........Who really cares
Mustang GT>CamaroSS..............Lighter and more hp makes the difference
Boss Mustang vs. ??????.............Better get it right with the LT1 or Z/28 or whatever they decide to call it.
GT500>=ZL1.............................Not quite the knock out punch Al and Scott had bragged about.

GM engineers need to quit making excuses for why they fail, and just use their talents to make winning vehicles. Watch CNBC's show on Ford, when the engineers where sat down with CR testers, they wanted to make excuses about why they did things the way they did. Ford's CEO told them to shut up and LISTEN to what was wrong with the cars. Maybe the Camaro team needs to have the same style meeting.
I didn't see the show, although I want to see it. I agree with your hardline, hardball overview. GM has put together a spectacular car, with an outdated underpowered engine in the ZL1. It's visa versa with Ford. A marvelous motor in a less than capabale chasis and supension. Maybe, Chevy can learn something from Ford in the engine building department. Why do we, Chevy enthusiasts, have to pay a surcharge on the ZL1, when Ford does not?. And they have gobs more power?
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Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.
thanks for the input ms. debbie downer :(
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Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.
If the Z/28 comes out with a new engine, they'll sell 20,000 in the first year. The biggest market are current Gen5 owners waiting to trade up. The sooner we see the C7 Corvettee engine annoucement the sooner we'll know more about the next Z/28.
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thanks for the input ms. debbie downer :(


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Old 07-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #99
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Watch CNBC's show on Ford, when the engineers where sat down with CR testers, they wanted to make excuses about why they did things the way they did. Ford's CEO told them to shut up and LISTEN to what was wrong with the cars. Maybe the Camaro team needs to have the same style meeting.
Got a link for this?

I'm really interested in the kinds of things the CR testers were questioning and the sorts of "excuses" that were attempted.

It's not nearly so much about it being what I'm currently driving or that it was Ford under the gun as it's me seeing things from the engineering perspective and from knowing what deep involvement with any given task can do to create "tunnel vision". Sometimes it takes a kick in the shins or wherever to see a different point of view.


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I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.
The 1LE better outrun the Boss 302. This is the last year for the Boss and GM has had plenty of time to use the Boss 302's performance as a benchmark.
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I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.
I don't think the prospective Z/28 buyer is the same guy/girl as the prospective ZL1 buyer, so I don't see the presence of the ZL1 mattering much. FI vs NA today is about what big-block vs small-block used to be.

The 1LE situation is less clear and would be where more sales would get siphoned off. But I think the Z/28 label has the bigger draw.


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Old 07-10-2012, 10:51 AM   #102
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I don't think the prospective Z/28 buyer is the same guy/girl as the prospective ZL1 buyer, so I don't see the presence of the ZL1 mattering much. FI vs NA today is about what big-block vs small-block used to be.

The 1LE situation is less clear and would be where more sales would get siphoned off. But I think the Z/28 label has the bigger draw.


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Very well said.
I and most of the Z/28 faithful would get a ZL1 if we wanted one. It's just not what we're looking for at this time.
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