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Old 06-03-2013, 11:34 PM   #1
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91 Camaro ZL1 Almost Finished. Watch out 5th Gens

I know this is 5 gen but I am in the process of having built a LSA and 6speed out of a 2012 ZL1 Camaro with only 1000 miles installed in my 91 Camaro convertible. Was going to attempt to do it myself but then realized it was way beyond what I could handle. Will be posting as the project moves along. Hawks 3rd Gen will be doing the work. Considering it's 1000 pounds lighter than todays ZL1 Camaro it should be pretty bad ass and will surprise a lot of the Gen 5s

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Old 06-04-2013, 03:31 AM   #2
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Yeah. I'd say. Lightest I've seen a third Gen Camaro recorded at from the factory was a 4 cyl 3050lbs. That's not scientific, just a little internet research. But even with the LSA and appropriate drive train components the car ought to be quick.

I think its wikipedia, anyway someone showed that the Trans Ams used for jumps on Knight Rider were stripped down to 1700lbs. So if someone really wanted a lightweight Camaro, grab a third gen and start ripoing stuff out.
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:59 PM   #3
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I would love to see this become a reality! Definitely keep us updated!

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Old 06-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #4
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It's in early stages. Car is being shipped to Bruce at Hawks 3rd Gen. He already has the donor car with the LSA and 6 speed and he will be sending me photos etc as it progresses. I will post as I get stuff from him. It will be a 6 speed manual. Automatic might be faster but I am an old guy and I just wouldn't want it with a slushbox.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:56 PM   #5
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that cant be cheap. but its along the idea I wanted to do as far as making a 3rd gen twin to my white 13 Z vert
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:02 PM   #6
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All I can say is WOW!!! I am doing an LS1 swap in my 73 Corvette, and could only imagine how much more awesome a LSA would be in it! Have fun with it and please keep us updated!
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:54 PM   #7
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that cant be cheap. but its along the idea I wanted to do as far as making a 3rd gen twin to my white 13 Z vert
It was a hard decision. I backed out at first as I will have as much in it considering the value of the car,(only 11k miles on it and perfect) I will have as much in to it as a new ZL1 but then again a mint white 91 Camaro convertible with ZL1 pushing it. I decided for me that would be cooler than just buying a new one.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:44 PM   #8
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Ok guys it's close to being done. New super heavy duty rear end, big brakes, big tires, a little extra boost to the supercharger and a few other things. Here are a few photos or you can go to my website. Getting real excited. It will be done by June. It will be atleast 1000 pounds less than the new Zl1's so if I can hook it up the new ones won't have a chance.


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Old 04-05-2014, 12:33 AM   #9
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That is sweet! For sure one clean ride.
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Old 04-05-2014, 06:26 AM   #10
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That is gonna be very nice.

What are you going to reinforce the chassis????

As a previous owner of two 3rd gens I can tell you a stock 350 will twist a hard top with no T tops. You will have more than double the HP/torque in an vert so that chassis is gonna need some attention
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:57 AM   #11
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:05 AM   #12
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That is gonna be very nice.

What are you going to reinforce the chassis????

As a previous owner of two 3rd gens I can tell you a stock 350 will twist a hard top with no T tops. You will have more than double the HP/torque in an vert so that chassis is gonna need some attention
Very true. Even at the stock LSA hp level; the frame on that 3rd gen vert will twist like a pretzel unless seriously reinforced.

OP - Nice project. It's rare to see clean 3rd gen these days and I love seeing LS swaps into them. I had a few back in the day and liked them a lot.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:07 AM   #13
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Nice 91 'Vert !!

Gonna be fast with the LSA/6 speed Wow !
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:40 AM   #14
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That is gonna be very nice.

What are you going to reinforce the chassis????

As a previous owner of two 3rd gens I can tell you a stock 350 will twist a hard top with no T tops. You will have more than double the HP/torque in an vert so that chassis is gonna need some attention
Bruce at Hawks has that covered with subframe connectors. If Hawks builds it then it will be solid and correct.

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/pr...onnectors.html
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:08 AM   #15
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:09 PM   #16
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Ok guys it's close to being done. New super heavy duty rear end, big brakes, big tires, a little extra boost to the supercharger and a few other things. Here are a few photos or you can go to my website. Getting real excited. It will be done by June. It will be atleast 1000 pounds less than the new Zl1's so if I can hook it up the new ones won't have a chance.


http://www.camaroperformers.com/project-cars/1312-1991-chevy-camaro-z28/


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Cool project!

Are you cutting weight too? From what I can see those verts come in at ~3380 lbs. Adding bracing as well as the LSA and you're getting pretty close to our pigs...at least closer than 1000 lbs less.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:17 PM   #17
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I love third gens and I love this project after only 2 minutes from first seeing it. Are you doing anything to the suspension, and were you planning on doing a strut brace like on the current ZL1's?
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:27 PM   #18
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Cool project! I'm curious about the weight. If you're using the ZL1 differential I would be amazed if you could keep the weight under 3800.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:32 PM   #19
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Cool project!

Are you cutting weight too? From what I can see those verts come in at ~3380 lbs. Adding bracing as well as the LSA and you're getting pretty close to our pigs...at least closer than 1000 lbs less.
Keep in mind, his original small block, probably a 305, was an iron block with iron heads. So the LSA with blower may be close to the same weight as old motor.
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:57 PM   #21
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That's pretty sweet. That thing is going to be a major sleeper!
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:48 PM   #23
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Keep in mind, his original small block, probably a 305, was an iron block with iron heads. So the LSA with blower may be close to the same weight as old motor.
Sweet ride!!!

True, but he's also added subframe connectors,bigger rear end, bigger tires, big brakes, etc. Also the TR6060 is heavier than the 700R4/T5 that was behind the 305. I think it will be lighter than a ZL1 for sure, maybe not 1K lighter.It won't have all of the added safety and convenience crap that weighs modern cars down. It'll be a performer no matter what, that's for sure.

Def. a cool project and 1 of a kind....car's super clean. I'll always have a soft spot for the 3rd gens...my first "performance" car was an '86 IROC many moons ago.
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True, but he's also added subframe connectors,bigger rear end, bigger tires, big brakes, etc. Also the TR6060 is heavier than the 700R4/T5 that was behind the 305. I think it will be lighter than a ZL1 for sure, maybe not 1K lighter.It won't have all of the added safety and convenience crap that weighs modern cars down. It'll be a performer no matter what, that's for sure.

Def. a cool project and 1 of a kind....car's super clean. I'll always have a soft spot for the 3rd gens...my first "performance" car was an '86 IROC many moons ago.
I've got a MWC fab 9 that has a through bolt aluminum 3rd member with wavtrac that's narrowed 4" that weighs less then a stock 10 bolt. So just because its a bigger better rear does not make it heavier if you got the $$$$ to play
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