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Old 07-04-2012, 09:56 PM   #1
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Can't believe it, but true! Around 11am, I walk out to start my 2012 1LT, and my wife also gets out of house, and starts her old and beloved 2004 Toyota Sequoia SR5. Started my car, and pulled down window to say bye, and she pulls up next to me and says, "This is what a v8 sounds like!", and proceeded to rev that SR5, taunting me while laughing. She then challenges me on a little "race" down a back road close by, and with neighbors looking and laughing, of course I accept, LOL.

So we get there, set, and go: although I started quicker, that DARN stock sequia keep up with me after almost 1/4 mileThis is a loss in my book.

How the hell does a v8 240hp 4.7 L Sequioa keep up with my 1LT?!?!? less HP and weighing almost 1000lbs more, LOL.

Afterwards, I took the Sequoia for a drive, and hit the gas, and man, it snapped by head back, and you feel the v8 power difference, although it's supposedly only 240hp. Also, the v8 seemed effortless getting up in speed and rpm. My v6 feels like it's carrying lots of weight and making an effort---it can do it---but seems like it's tougher.

So now, I'm jealous, and wondering if by switching to a 1SS, I'll get that "snap head back" feel
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:00 PM   #2
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Gotta admit, after that embarrasing episode, I headed down to local dealership, to see if I could trade up for a 1SS, LOL. Sadly, my car was appraised at 24K, and the 2012 1SS there was 33K, and a 2010 2SS was 29K. Dealer wanted extra 2K down and payments would be extra $150 per month according to their numbers:(
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:07 PM   #3
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I love my V6. I can merge onto the interstate at well over getting-a-ticket territory without the car breathing too hard. The motor doesn't have a ton of low end torque and I readily notice the difference between just me and the car and have two passengers plus stuff in the trunk.

However, I have NO desire to trade my car in and owe even more money, spend more on insurance, and more on gasoline.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:17 PM   #4
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:30 PM   #5
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I love my V6. I can merge onto the interstate at well over getting-a-ticket territory without the car breathing too hard. The motor doesn't have a ton of low end torque and I readily notice the difference between just me and the car and have two passengers plus stuff in the trunk.

However, I have NO desire to trade my car in and owe even more money, spend more on insurance, and more on gasoline.
Yep, I hear you. Got my 1LT 6 weeks ago, and DID NOT want a v8 then. higher insurance, higher gas costs, and an LFX w/ 323hp is enough.

However, after driving the v8 SUV, and feeling how "effortless" it gets up to speed, and how it snaps your head back when tapping throttle---man, it felt really good. I've read some of the v8 vs v6 threads, and read how v8 owners love that power feel, and I guess it's similar to what I felt with Sequoia.
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Torq wins races more than HP, what is the Torq comparisons of the two.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:35 PM   #7
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Torq wins races more than HP, what is the Torq comparisons of the two.
Sequoia 4.7L has 315ft lbs torq, Camaro v6 has around 278??
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:36 PM   #8
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Hmm. I never really felt like my V6 is 'working' for it I guess. Keep in mind it's a smaller motor and they rev harder and higher than a larger V8. So while it may sound like it's putting a lot of effort in, it's really just doing its normal gig.

Torque is that feeling that puts you in the seat. And 273tq is not going to do that when you get it at 5000+ RPM.

The Sequoia makes more torque at lower RPM and probably has superior gearing to use it.

But to me the advantage is...that Sequoia isn't half as cool and won't get 28+ on the highway at 75 with the AC blasting. And isn't in the same ball park for fun.

Edit: What's humiliating is when your buddy gets a car length pulled on him to the almost triple digits because his '94 LT1 Corvette has Opti-Garbage that can't get its act together. HAH....
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:45 PM   #11
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Hmm. I never really felt like my V6 is 'working' for it I guess. Keep in mind it's a smaller motor and they rev harder and higher than a larger V8. So while it may sound like it's putting a lot of effort in, it's really just doing its normal gig.

Torque is that feeling that puts you in the seat. And 273tq is not going to do that when you get it at 5000+ RPM.

The Sequoia makes more torque at lower RPM and probably has superior gearing to use it.

But to me the advantage is...that Sequoia isn't half as cool and won't get 28+ on the highway at 75 with the AC blasting. And isn't in the same ball park for fun.
True, the Sequia's 315 torque and gearing probably help it pull harder---it's just the feeling that its v8 pull that 4500lb monster quite easily. Doesn't feel like its struggling at all.

My v6 on the other hand, although it's got nice 323hp, and its pretty quick for the size and weight, it's as if it needs to be lighter, or have more torque or hp to pull with the same ease and effortless feel.

Love my V6, but man, need to start making some upgrades to get it snap my head back some
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:48 PM   #12
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Maybe get an air intake for $400.
Just got one 10 days ago. But the car still needs a few more mods.

Perhaps a ported TB, exhaust upgrade, and one of those magical Trifeca tunes I keep reading about.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:53 PM   #13
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Anyone else compare back-to-back driving a v8 vs a v6? Notice the snap and seemingly effortless pull of the v8 vs v6? OMG, I've been struck by the v8 virus, LOL

I was already looking into supercharging, LOL. After seeing the prices, hellz no.

sticking to TB, perhaps Solo Mach upgrade, and a Trifecta tune to make it come alive some---guess that's what it needs. Feels kind of sluggish compared to v8, and perhaps its due to gearing as well.
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True, the Sequia's 315 torque and gearing probably help it pull harder---it's just the feeling that its v8 pull that 4500lb monster quite easily. Doesn't feel like its struggling at all.

My v6 on the other hand, although it's got nice 323hp, and its pretty quick for the size and weight, it's as if it needs to be lighter, or have more torque or hp to pull with the same ease and effortless feel.

Love my V6, but man, need to start making some upgrades to get it snap my head back some
Put it in 'M', run it up to 4000RPM or better and pinch 'er to the floor. It'll jerk you head. Well, a little anyway, LOL.

I'd buy some stuff for my car but I'm too cheap. I wouldn't mind a CAI and a Magnaflow but that's a lot of dimes.
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Anyone else compare back-to-back driving a v8 vs a v6? Notice the snap and seemingly effortless pull of the v8 vs v6? OMG, I've been struck by the v8 virus, LOL

I was already looking into supercharging, LOL. After seeing the prices, hellz no.

sticking to TB, perhaps Solo Mach upgrade, and a Trifecta tune to make it come alive some---guess that's what it needs. Feels kind of sluggish compared to v8, and perhaps its due to gearing as well.
True dat! I drove a V6 then the SS at the dealer and after driving the SS the V6 was was nothing but a distant memory!
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:05 PM   #16
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Put it in 'M', run it up to 4000RPM or better and pinch 'er to the floor. It'll jerk you head. Well, a little anyway, LOL.

I'd buy some stuff for my car but I'm too cheap. I wouldn't mind a CAI and a Magnaflow but that's a lot of dimes.
Got my CAI kit already, and it does improve a bit of throttle response 1st-3rd, and nice growl, too.

Will have to try the "M" setting and see if indeed it improves some
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Got my CAI kit already, and it does improve a bit of throttle response 1st-3rd, and nice growl, too.

Will have to try the "M" setting and see if indeed it improves some
You'll only get the real fun using the paddles but for normal driving I almost always pull it all the way back to M so it'll drag the shifts out a little more. Helps keep the little guy from bogging itself down so fast.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:15 PM   #18
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True dat! I drove a V6 then the SS at the dealer and after driving the SS the V6 was was nothing but a distant memory!
Should have done that myself

Since i was coming from driving a stinkin Civic, I thought the v6 323hp would be a beast, and with great mpg= no brainer.

However, after driving my 1LT for 6 weeks and comparing vs wife's SUV V8, the weight of 5th gen Camaros seems to better fit the v8 power to pull "effortlessly". For the v6, it needs a torque upgrade, at least, and that = $$$
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Helps keep the little guy from bogging itself down so fast.
I think that's a good description, "bogging". It seems to have a little lag, and needs improved 1st-3rd response. On HWY, accelerating from 50mph to 70-80mph is "effortless" and fun. It just needs improvements accelerating from from dead stop through 4th, I guess.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:33 PM   #21
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You have to keep in perspective 1/4 mile times are NOT that far off on most any modern car. Hell my 2010 Traverse with a intake has run a 16.02 1/4 and it weighs well over 5,000lbs with the tow package. That is only 2.8 seconds slower than my SS ran in stock form.

From a racing standpoint that is an eternity. But, in real time think about it. by about the time you can count to two and a half my gigantic SUV is crossing the line after me.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:34 PM   #22
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When getting my Camaro i went back and forth on V6 or V8. I put down enough money to get either one. When i test drove the V6 it was plenty fast and did everything i needed it to do and did it well. I just couldn't justify the higher insurance premium or the gas milage the V8 got.

The only thing i wish i had gotten the V8 for was the sound. I love the sound of a V8 engine especially a V8 cammed engine.

Since i've bought my car in April i've bought a bunch of exterior body parts and lights etc. Just needing a nice set of rims and tires and the car will look exactly the way i want it to.

So what i'm saying is that the V6 Camaro looks awesome especially if you get a few exterior mods to make it to your own taste and is fast enough to hold it's own. Be happy with the car you got without having to upgrade and go more into debt.
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Daveagogo made a good point.

My 2005 5.3L Silverado was more reponsive on the bottom end, evening being a crew cab with 31" tall tires and it didn't have to rev very hard.

However, that truck the way it sat would have been very lucky to run the 1/4 at much under 17 seconds. That's 2.5 seconds slower than the Camaro. That's a significant ass kicking in the racing world, lol.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:51 PM   #24
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When we were ready to shop for a Camaro, it was going to be my wife's decision because it would be her daily driver. She insisted she didn't need the V8 - she felt the V6 would have sufficient power and it boasts great mpg. This was about 2 months ago and was based on short test drives at the dealership.
Well, we had a couple different LT's for lengthy test drives (one overnight and the second for almost a week) and then we came across a great deal on a new 2011 SS from a dealership 100 miles away - we almost bought it...had it for 3 or 4 days and she fell in love with the power. In the end though, our local dealership came up with the best deal on a 2012 using USAA pricing and cutting his profits very thin.
IMO there is no comparison between the two for the head snapping power. We weren't buying a Camaro for gas mileage!! She's living the PermaGrin experience.

It's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
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When getting my Camaro i went back and forth on V6 or V8. I put down enough money to get either one. When i test drove the V6 it was plenty fast and did everything i needed it to do and did it well. I just couldn't justify the higher insurance premium or the gas milage the V8 got.

The only thing i wish i had gotten the V8 for was the sound. I love the sound of a V8 engine especially a V8 cammed engine.

So what i'm saying is that the V6 Camaro looks awesome especially if you get a few exterior mods to make it to your own taste and is fast enough to hold it's own. Be happy with the car you got without having to upgrade and go more into debt.
Agreed. Gotta treat this v8 bug as the flu---sleep it off, and never drive wife's v8 SUV, LOL.

However, will have to work on a few upgrades to make it more responsive on low end. Just cannot stand the bit of lag after testing the v8 suv, and imagining the feel of an SS, LOL.
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