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Old 12-23-2007, 01:01 PM   #1
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Canadian Pricing for the Camaro5

So ladies and gentlemen.... what do you guys think pricing is gunna look like for us for the Camaro V6 and V8 versions?

What do you think is going to be our chances of buying down south when time comes around if the dollar stays strong and all with RIV tightening things up against Canadians buying cars down south.

Personally, I dont think Im going to sell this Camaro when I buy it.... so I dont really care about re-sale and stuff.... I just wanna save some coin when I do buy it.

So let it begin... btw discuss anything else in this forums about the car.... that we may get different in the Canadian version kinda thing.
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:06 PM   #2
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I've heard that its hard to buy new cars in the states to save money. But the manufacturers are comming around and making the prices more even because of the relative values of the dollar. I think that if the american dollar stays roughly where it is for another year (not likely but you never know) then they may set equal pricing for 2009 - 2010 models. But I would expect that under the current +20% system, the Camaro should cost no more than 33k for the base V8 and around maybe 40k for SS-Z28, which isn't bad. I just hope that we can get them for US prices!

oh, and one differnance will be that our speedometer will be in km/h rather than mph.
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:09 PM   #3
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I've heard that its hard to buy new cars in the states to save money. But the manufacturers are comming around and making the prices more even because of the relative values of the dollar. I think that if the american dollar stays roughly where it is for another year (not likely but you never know) then they may set equal pricing for 2009 - 2010 models. But I would expect that under the current +20% system, the Camaro should cost no more than 33k for the base V8 and around maybe 40k for SS-Z28, which isn't bad. I just hope that we can get them for US prices!

oh, and one differnance will be that our speedometer will be in km/h rather than mph.
I think I could live with a 10-15% price difference with the states.... in which case I would just buy here in Canada....But when the difference goes up too much its hard to justify...

Because the Mustang is in comparison on these forums... take the mustang V8 deluxe in comparison to the same optioned Canadian mustang... American $26,500... Canadian version $35,500... that's roughly over 30% price increase... almost 9 grand!! Say after the all that bs paperwork and everything from crossing border, etc... say you only save 6-7 grand ....its still quite a bit of $$ and worth your time I would say.

I think where you will be able to save some really good $$$ is going to be on the SS-Z28 models. I think by the time this car comes out the pricing difference on vehicles below 35 grand wont be worth people's time and effort.... but once you jump over 40 I think you will be able to save a minimum of 5 grand at-least.... more expensive the car, more the savings.... my dad was looking at the new Audi S5..... price difference of 20 grand!!!!!

Anyways thats my ramble.

You think we might get some different winter packages for Canada... seen that one before on other cars??

How about different safety features due to legal differences here in Canada?? Cant think of any.
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I don't know much about buying new cars, so I've been asking around trying to get some information and I came across this site:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/impusae.htm


I would prefer to buy my camaro locally, but if I could save even $5000, I think I'd go through the hassle of trying to buy it in the States.
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I don't know much about buying new cars, so I've been asking around trying to get some information and I came across this site:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/impusae.htm


I would prefer to buy my camaro locally, but if I could save even $5000, I think I'd go through the hassle of trying to buy it in the States.
Yes, there is quite a bit to deal with in brining in a car from the states.... but for a good amount of money savings it can be worth it. I think 5000 in savings as a minimum would be required for me to incur all the hardship of getting one south. My friend just got a new Tahoe imported for 55 grand everything done and across the border from a broker in the states... same truck would have cost close to 75 here in Canada!!!! Were getting ripped off brutally in some situations.

Here is another site with much more detail in regards to this importing matter....
http://www.riv.ca/
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I am going to buy it here in Canada either way. But I do think that all the manufactures are going to do 1. Raise the price of the american MSRP to bring it closer to our MSRP's or 2. all the new vehicles coming out will have a MSRP closer to the American price.. Something has to be done cuz lots of pep's or bitchin'! There are great rebates and incentives going on right now but why don't they save the hassel and even out the the prices.Just hope our dollar stays steady for the next year or so.
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I am going to buy it here in Canada either way. But I do think that all the manufactures are going to do 1. Raise the price of the american MSRP to bring it closer to our MSRP's or 2. all the new vehicles coming out will have a MSRP closer to the American price.. Something has to be done cuz lots of pep's or bitchin'! There are great rebates and incentives going on right now but why don't they save the hassel and even out the the prices.Just hope our dollar stays steady for the next year or so.
the shape that the american economy is in.... you can almost bet the MSRP prices are not going to go up for quite some time now, lol..... its more likely we will see ours drop.... but I still think the bastards aren't gunna drop it to a level where is fair so that its feasible enough to buy here imo.
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If the dollar remains equal or stronger, GM will be hard pressed to justify pricing Canadian Camaro's thousands of dollars higher than American Camaro's for a few reasons. First of all, they will have had 2 years by then to adjust the pricing of models to be more equal to American cars. Also, this is a new model which means it should get 'fresh' pricing, i.e. the pricing can't be based on previous years of the same or a slighly revamped make/model. Finally, the car will be assembled here in Canada which means GM can't claim that shipping costs and cross-border hassels cause the higher pricing.

All that said, I still won't be suprised if they price the Camaro several thousand dollars more than the US model. I think the biggest problem is that Canadian consumers aren't making a big enough fuss about it. No one seems to be generally p*ssed off enough about this...we're just minorly annoyed. Hopefully by 09 someone will light the torch and bring the protest down to GM Canada's HQ.

Also, all this talk about buying your car in the US and having it imported is pointless if GM Canada won't honour your warranty. I mean you can't tow the vehicle across the border every time there's a problem or a recall. The manufactures really have us by the balls if they don't agree to repair vehicles purchased in the US at Canadian dealerships...and this is the stance many manufactures (although I'm not sure about GM) are taking at the moment.
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If the dollar remains equal or stronger, GM will be hard pressed to justify pricing Canadian Camaro's thousands of dollars higher than American Camaro's for a few reasons. First of all, they will have had 2 years by then to adjust the pricing of models to be more equal to American cars. Also, this is a new model which means it should get 'fresh' pricing, i.e. the pricing can't be based on previous years of the same or a slighly revamped make/model. Finally, the car will be assembled here in Canada which means GM can't claim that shipping costs and cross-border hassels cause the higher pricing.

All that said, I still won't be suprised if they price the Camaro several thousand dollars more than the US model. I think the biggest problem is that Canadian consumers aren't making a big enough fuss about it. No one seems to be generally p*ssed off enough about this...we're just minorly annoyed. Hopefully by 09 someone will light the torch and bring the protest down to GM Canada's HQ.

Also, all this talk about buying your car in the US and having it imported is pointless if GM Canada won't honour your warranty. I mean you can't tow the vehicle across the border every time there's a problem or a recall. The manufactures really have us by the balls if they don't agree to repair vehicles purchased in the US at Canadian dealerships...and this is the stance many manufactures (although I'm not sure about GM) are taking at the moment.
Yes, the whole warranty issue is a whole another issue in itself!!!! I agree though, if they said no warranty work for outside Canada vehicles.... I don't think I would by the Car from the states unless there was like a 15 grand difference or something drastic like that (ill fix it myself for that kinda savings, lol)....which will never be the case.

So yes, it does look like that given the car is being assembled in Canada... the pricing should be very close to American pricing.... I'm thinking maybe a 3 grand difference for the V8 base models.... again this all depends on the dollar as well(which will probably still hover close to .95 until then).

I guess time will tell!!!
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So yes, it does look like that given the car is being assembled in Canada... the pricing should be very close to American pricing.... I'm thinking maybe a 3 grand difference for the V8 base models.... again this all depends on the dollar as well(which will probably still hover close to .95 until then).

I guess time will tell!!!
But there is no justification for ANY difference in price if the loonie stays at or near par with the American dollar. We shouldn't accept any price difference. This is what I'm saying about ppl not being p*ssed off enough. We're actually willing to pay the difference even if its absolute unjustified price gougery (that's probably not a word...lol).
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But everything is a bit more expensive here, but we were getting gouged on the cars. I say were because Chrysler now has new Canadian prices that put our cars within less than 10% with the American prices, from what I looked at. GM is doing the same, the others should follow soon
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forgive me, but i'm not applauding Chrysler and GM for putting the prices within 10%. We now pay the US price on books and magazines at chapters and other book retailers...the book industry makes billions every year and so if one multi-billion dollar industry can adjust so that prices are EQUAL, I don't see why the car industry can't too.
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its dead in here...I was looking for an excuse to start the conversation back up so I just built a mustang gt with the build and price tool from both the www.ford.com and www.ford.ca websites. I build the cars as equal as possible and the Canadian GT came to around $38,000 Cdn, while the American GT came in just over $28,000 USD. Without calculating the APR, the $10,000 differences comes to about $170 bucks more per month for the Canadian GT on a 60 month finance of the vehicle.
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its dead in here...I was looking for an excuse to start the conversation back up so I just built a mustang gt with the build and price tool from both the www.ford.com and www.ford.ca websites. I build the cars as equal as possible and the Canadian GT came to around $38,000 Cdn, while the American GT came in just over $28,000 USD. Without calculating the APR, the $10,000 differences comes to about $170 bucks more per month for the Canadian GT on a 60 month finance of the vehicle.
Its impossible to guess what they will sell for. If the buck and the loonie stay on equal footing, pricing will have to come down. And not just incentives. Putting the actual price at something roughly equal to the US price. If they don't, there will be alot of people going cross border shoping and paying to import the car rather than pay an extra 25% for Canadian markup.
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I don't mean to intrude in this Canadian thread...as I'm not from Canada.......
But does the Canadian taxing system have anything to do with the massive difference in price?

I could have been taught wrong - but I remember hearing something about every step of the manufacturing proccess is taxed in Canada, as opposed to the 'flat' product-as-a-whole tax???
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I don't mean to intrude in this Canadian thread...as I'm not from Canada.......
But does the Canadian taxing system have anything to do with the massive difference in price?

I could have been taught wrong - but I remember hearing something about every step of the manufacturing proccess is taxed in Canada, as opposed to the 'flat' product-as-a-whole tax???
Hey Dragon,

your more than welcome in the Canadian threads, lol.... by all means intrude...but you have a good question.... from my knowledge..... and im not sure on this at all... but, i think we do have some steps of the manufacturing process taxed (but not alot)...... but they still do not account for the price differences with our friends down south in the US.

A bunch of my freinds and other people on other forums have inquired about the price differences with corporate head offices of companies... and the same typical response is what you get...... they say in a polite way that we do it, because we can!! LOL.... they usually add a blurb about Canadian market being small and other small things that cause the price to go up.... but I mean with an average bump of like 35% over the US in car prices for new.... those things still don't account for the markup.

Like I priced out a mustang the other day... the same on on the US site for 29,233 is 38,567 on the Canadian site!!!! Thats a whopping 10 grand almost.... my cousin bought a Tahoe LTZ from the states 2 weeks ago... he saved 25 grand after Canadian taxes, broker fees, border fees and stuff!!! that is just unreal.... so I think you guys can understand the frustration we have up north about the prices when our dollar for the last many years has been within 5 cents +/- of the US dollar.... now given the reality that someday our dollar will eventually fall back to probably 80 cents when the American dollar gets stronger..... i can live with some price differences.... but not 30-45% increases!!!
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Like I priced out a mustang the other day... the same on on the US site for 29,233 is 38,567 on the Canadian site!!!!

..............i can live with some price differences.... but not 30-45% increases!!!
No...I'm sure there's more to this that we don't realize/know...but that's not right.
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i don't think there's much more to it other than what Jay has said. Perhaps tax does play an issue, but this wouldn't explain more than $1,000 difference in pricing (something most Canadians would accept). Tax differences couldn't really explain how the difference between pricing becomes much steeper as the value of the vehicle becomes higher...that's why luxury vehicles sell for tens of thousands of dollars less in the States. Manufacturers have us by the balls (excuse the expression) because they simply won't acknowledge the warranty if the vehicle was bought in the US.
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No...I'm sure there's more to this that we don't realize/know...but that's not right.
Dragon, there really isnt more to the story bro.... if there was we would have figured it out by now, LOL! Thousands of Canadians have gone public with there demands for explanations... the car companies have no REAL explanation other than your a small market and were gunna charge you more regardless of any other factor.

I mean, its a hassle but there is pretty much a way of getting almost any vehicle from the states so Im not too concerned (brokerage firms)... but it would be nice if i could go to the local dealer and buy a car at fair prices!!!

As for warranty issues Mike.... I dont know about you... but there is huge auto mall with just about every car dealer about 45 mins from house in the states (and literally it takes me 45 mins to cross the border and get there)... if dealers deny doing work on my car in Canada... I will simply cross the border and get my warranty work done there... alotta people here are going to the dealer, buying the car from them and getting there car work done from them... so the dealers don't mind one bit!
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Dragon, there really isnt more to the story bro.... if there was we would have figured it out by now, LOL! Thousands of Canadians have gone public with there demands for explanations... the car companies have no REAL explanation other than your a small market and were gunna charge you more regardless of any other factor.

I mean, its a hassle but there is pretty much a way of getting almost any vehicle from the states so Im not too concerned (brokerage firms)... but it would be nice if i could go to the local dealer and buy a car at fair prices!!!

As for warranty issues Mike.... I dont know about you... but there is huge auto mall with just about every car dealer about 45 mins from house in the states (and literally it takes me 45 mins to cross the border and get there)... if dealers deny doing work on my car in Canada... I will simply cross the border and get my warranty work done there... alotta people here are going to the dealer, buying the car from them and getting there car work done from them... so the dealers don't mind one bit!
The vast majorityof Canadians live within a 2 hour drive of the border. A far bit longer than going to the local dealer, but if thats what I have to do to get waranty issues fixed on a US bought car, I'll do it.
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Makes sense. If everybody has raised the issue - then there must not be anything more to the story.

(I thought this was a relatively new thing )

And what's the auto-complex called? If it's in NY, I'm probably familiar with it.
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Makes sense. If everybody has raised the issue - then there must not be anything more to the story.

(I thought this was a relatively new thing )

And what's the auto-complex called? If it's in NY, I'm probably familiar with it.
Lol Dragon.... im a far away from New York my friend.... im in BC, Canada... we touch the border of Washington State.

I almost made it once to New York by road from Toronto, unfortunately plans changed while we were in Buffalo.... but I can wait to visit New York.... hows the job potential out there anyways? And expenses, places to live... lol, im sorta in the middle of looking to move somewhere new... to get a fresh start after I graduate with my degree and New York always appealed to me.... but at the same its such a big place.... its sorta daunting and scary to think I would move there not knowing anyone there!!
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Lol Dragon.... im a far away from New York my friend.... im in BC, Canada... we touch the border of Washington State.

I almost made it once to New York by road from Toronto, unfortunately plans changed while we were in Buffalo.... but I can wait to visit New York.... hows the job potential out there anyways? And expenses, places to live... lol, im sorta in the middle of looking to move somewhere new... to get a fresh start after I graduate with my degree and New York always appealed to me.... but at the same its such a big place.... its sorta daunting and scary to think I would move there not knowing anyone there!!
Umm, if you were in Buffalo then you were in New York . . . its a state, not just a city. As far as getting a fresh start, I've always been opposed to the brain drain. If you want a big city, there is Toronto. Its kinda like NYC, but the people are supposed to be a bit nicer. If you want to feel like an outsider there's Montreal. Both of which will have career opertunities that you are looking for, regardless of the field. Maybe not the same pay as you could get in the states, but that would vary from job to job.
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Umm, if you were in Buffalo then you were in New York . . . its a state, not just a city.

Apparently we're not very original when coming up with names here in the states...so you get cities like New York, NY.

Anyways...since the dollar's about the same now Cost of living isn't to bad at all here around Buffalo - And whereas the city itself isn't the best place to live, we've got Beautiful Suburbs, the lakes - and a decent amount of things to do.

New York state suppodedly has the highest schooling standards - and as far as teachers go, we turn out the best; bar none.

Now if you go further downstate NY, like New York City...then cost of living starts skyrocketing - but so does pay...

You asked, Jay!
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Apparently we're not very original when coming up with names here in the states...so you get cities like New York, NY.

Anyways...since the dollar's about the same now Cost of living isn't to bad at all here around Buffalo - And whereas the city itself isn't the best place to live, we've got Beautiful Suburbs, the lakes - and a decent amount of things to do.

New York state suppodedly has the highest schooling standards - and as far as teachers go, we turn out the best; bar none.

Now if you go further downstate NY, like New York City...then cost of living starts skyrocketing - but so does pay...

You asked, Jay!
LOL.... i meant to say that I never made it New York City, LOL! Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of New York City... not Buffalo.

I dunno im really confused right now about the relocation thing.... Im hunching more towards staying out West than moving out East. I think California or Vegas is my best bet.... as I like the places and my field of HR... there are a ton of jobs around there.

But I will definitley visit New York CITY(lol) and then decide.
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