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Old 11-05-2008, 01:42 AM   #1
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Angry WHY NO SAT' NAV?

Ok I have to bitch a lil. I havent posted many posts so Im a lil hesitant to spew my anger!

Why why oh f'n why is there no option to have a sat nav? WHY!!
I dont give a ratz a$$ for sat radio, I NEVER LISTEN to radio only mp3/cds!!! Why do I have that option but all high end cars have sat nav as as standard this car dont even have it as an option!!!

BOOOOOO!!!

The car is ordered but obviously with no sat nav. Now I gotta drape ugly wires for an aftermarket one or run 5mins on a battery powered one.

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Old 11-05-2008, 01:46 AM   #2
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Thats funny cause I could give a hoot about satellite navigation so long as I get channel 204 on XM radio. Different strokes for different folks. Sirusly...
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:18 AM   #3
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because adding the nav made the cost to build the Camaro go way up.

people use tom toms these days...which are easily updateable.

on top of that, cheryl already answered the question that they felt onstar turn by turn was sufficient enough.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:20 AM   #4
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because adding the nav made the cost to build the Camaro go way up.

people use tom toms these days...which are easily updateable.

on top of that, cheryl already answered the question that they felt onstar turn by turn was sufficient enough.
especially when combined with the HUD in second model year cars
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:36 AM   #5
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It's very wise of GM not to offer Sat Nav. In most cars, it's almost a "must have" when time of sale comes round but in reality the stock systems are always very poor and hard to upgrade. At least with the Camaro it's not an option so it won't affect the model line up or resale.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:03 AM   #6
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... and stats show that a factory Nav system on a car actually reduces its residual value.
The Disciples spent a fair amount of time "vigorously discussing" this point with the team more than a year and a half ago and I believe the correct choice was made.
My Garmin is virtually foolproof, easily updated and I can move it around among all the cars in the household!

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Old 11-05-2008, 07:23 AM   #7
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I feel like they wasted time, money and valuable resources installing A/C in the cars. Why can't we have an option to delete it? While I'm at it, that radio is just taking up space on the dash. ALSO...A back seat? Ain't no one gonna be sitting back there, wassup with that? Oh yeah, where's my LS9?

OK, being a little sarcastic, but you can't please everyone can you. (I would like to see a limited build of the above tho)
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:36 AM   #8
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Navigation is nice, I have it in my current car, but a car I am buying for performance doesn't need one. I used a portable device for a number of years and its perfectly fine when it is needed. The option to have sat nav doesn't weigh on my mind one bit for this car purchase. Any other car I buy, that is not primarily for performance, I'll want it.

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Old 11-05-2008, 08:12 AM   #9
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I'd be willing to bet it'll show up. WHY because every other car it'll compete against in sales has it?

Be patient, GM will come around in a year or two. And by then that will give us early adaptors a reason to trade up. Just like why no convertible or HUD.
Isn't that the way GM works??
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:46 AM   #10
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For one Sat Naves cannot find you the "Fun Roads" You have to know where they are int he first place... now give me one that I can say I want to go to destination X and make my route over the roads that are real "Drivers roads" instead of the shortest or fastest routes then I may want one. Besides you have On-Star, and if you get the service with navagation you just tell them where you want to go and they program it for you, you can even tell them any side trip along the way... No hassel with pushing buttons or anything...
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:15 AM   #11
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To each his own. I'd never use the sat'/nav' and am fine with keeping costs down and leaving me the option to use what I want. Shoot, my phone even has nav' so I wouldn't want to pay extra on this car.

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Old 11-05-2008, 10:21 AM   #12
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The car is ordered but obviously with no sat nav. Now I gotta drape ugly wires for an aftermarket one or run 5mins on a battery powered one.

You could also just buy a map...cheaper and can hide it when not in use. I don't understand people who have SAT NAV systems permanently affixed to their dashboards/windshields and never leave their own town.....its an expensive toy in most instances.
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:22 AM   #13
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The car is ordered but obviously with no sat nav. Now I gotta drape ugly wires for an aftermarket one or run 5mins on a battery powered one.
well most sat navs are getting a lot cheaper now so its not big deal go buy a nice one with a little money as the for the battery and wires well mine runs for 4 hrs on battery and its near 2 yrs old some of the newer Garmins can make 5 or even 6 hrs. also my dad has a built in nav and so does a few of my friends and they all agree that they think mine is better

a touchscreen radio would have been nice in the camaro though
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:00 AM   #14
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Now I gotta drape ugly wires for an aftermarket one or run 5mins on a battery powered one.
Do you really drive to an unknown area so often that one wire (not wireS) for a short time is an issue? I use mine maybe once every couple months. Hardly an issue.

The battery lasts approx. 3 or 4 hours, not 5 minutes.

And it can be hidden easily, just throw it in the center console or glove compartment...

$200 Garmin > factory unit that costs hundreds more

Now, I'll admit, the unit that comes standard in the Suzuki SX4 is a nice idea.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:11 AM   #15
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because adding the nav made the cost to build the Camaro go way up.

people use tom toms these days...which are easily updateable.

on top of that, cheryl already answered the question that they felt onstar turn by turn was sufficient enough.
Additionally, I've argued—not from GM, from me—that performance cars with too many luxuries should be badged Porsche, as opposed to Chevrolet. Basically, a Camaro is not a luxury car. We buy it for speed and power, not captain's chairs and dual zone climate control. I know that the times have changed, although I also recognize that I am far too young to have witnessed the change; however, we are buying a heritage-inspired pony car. For $31,000, we are getting a stripper performance model that still features more luxury than any car I've driven thus far.

When it comes to performance cars, GM should be conservative about the features offered by certain brands. If a Chevy has all the luxuries of a Cadillac, why buy a luxury car? It's like buying Lucky Brand when you could buy Levis that feel just as good and take more abuse. Do you want to be pampered? Feel free to get the CTS-V. It costs a lot more, but you have the prestige of driving a Cadillac that your boss will envy and it's the fastest V-Caddy out there. Do you want to have a classic? Get the power of a Camaro SS, and spend all that option money on a supercharger, motor build, and drag tires.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:58 AM   #16
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A - Portable units offer far more features than factory ones.

B - Mounting and wiring a portable unit cleanly is hardly a daunting task.

C - Having a portable unit means you don't have to buy a new GPS everytime you buy a new car, or buy more than one (mine goes from the car to the bike all the time).

D - I wouldn't bet on the new Camaro being any more of a 'classic' than a V-Series Caddy. If the Camaro I want is too hard to come by when I'm ready to buy, a used CTS-V will do just fine.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:06 PM   #17
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I have an SUV with a built-in one and I also have a TomTom One portable unit that I use in my truck and when I travel. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I have to say that updating maps, some features, etc, on the TomTom is much easier and definitely cheaper than the built-in one that I have (~$200 for a map update on the built-in one vs. free-$80 for the TomTom). It is certainly also easier to get rid of the TomTom and buy a new one when the latest feature comes out on the new model.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:27 PM   #18
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meh -- factory navigation units with the screens and everything are gimmicky, imo. And only useful (if at all) on family vehicles like SUVs/Crossovers/Sedans...not Camaros where they could allocate that money during development to something else. Good choice on the part of the team, imo.


Besides...I use a map.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:35 PM   #19
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everyone tells me where to go.
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:28 PM   #20
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I have satnav in my Lexus. It's great. Touchscreen, intuitive interface, controls climate and radio as well, plus i have my whole phonebook in there and 17 speed dials i can access while driving.

That having been said, that system is an amazingly engineered system from Fujitsu-10 (Eclipse). I don't think I'd want to deal with another system. Frankly, I have no problem with the Camaro not having it. Worst comes to worst, I have google maps on my phone.
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:06 AM   #21
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OK OK OK!!!! I get it!!!
Now that I've been whipped into shape and submission im happy now that there is no SAT NAV LOL!!

Happy Now!!

But what happened to the 21/22" wheel combo guys!! COME ON!!! LOL!!!
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:40 AM   #22
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OK OK OK!!!! I get it!!!
Now that I've been whipped into shape and submission im happy now that there is no SAT NAV LOL!!

Happy Now!!


Hehehe, that is by far one of the best responses in a while to a thread like this...I like you!
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OK OK OK!!!! I get it!!!
Now that I've been whipped into shape and submission im happy now that there is no SAT NAV LOL!!

Happy Now!!

But what happened to the 21/22" wheel combo guys!! COME ON!!! LOL!!!


oh boy...

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Old 11-06-2008, 08:26 AM   #24
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onstar has a navigation service. plus i already have a garmin unit i bought for my truck would suck to spend another 600ish for an extra one in the dash
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of sat nav vs On* vs tom tom:

I pick paper maps. Battery can't die, won't clutter your dash, pocket portable, customizable route planing, no monthly fees, low purchase price, transferable to other vehicles, optional passenger seat navigator doubles your chances of spotting points of interest and indicates road hazards you may have missed.
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