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Old 07-12-2012, 02:56 AM   #51
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You must be a real patient and forgiving guy cause I would leave that car with keys at the dealership and make them give me a new one. There is no reason a new car should have all this ish wrong with it and them expecting u to keep it! The lemon law is there for a reason, use it dude. Hell they owe it to u for being this calm and patient about the whole thing!
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:22 AM   #52
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That sucks really badly
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:34 AM   #53
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My memory tells me that the engine is U.S.-made in Michigan, and that it's the transmission that's assembeled in Mexico.
In the end, the OP just needs his car to be made right again.
Unless things have changed very recently this is not true. Camaro Ls3's are made in Canada. LS7 lS9 and dry sump LS3 for Grand Sport are made in Wixom, Michigan. CTSV and ZL1 LSA are made in Mexico. Someone from GM feel free to correct me if I have mistated anything.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:26 AM   #54
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Unless things have changed very recently this is not true. Camaro Ls3's are made in Canada. LS7 lS9 and dry sump LS3 for Grand Sport are made in Wixom, Michigan. CTSV and ZL1 LSA are made in Mexico. Someone from GM feel free to correct me if I have mistated anything.


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Old 07-12-2012, 06:36 AM   #55
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They can locate a 2012 and get it for you to replace yours if you want a 2012
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:24 AM   #56
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As someone else on here already said, it is probably the rear main seal. The dealer tech is trying to rule out the easier stuff before he goes there since it is a more involved fix. Stay patient and I hope your Z gets back to 100% soon.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:56 AM   #57
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Hey CAM ZL1. Sucks what you're going through with your new ZL1. I have #140. It's also AGM with a manual. Have just over 5000 miles on it and it's currently down for mods in my garage so I figured I'd go out and at least look at my wire harnes routing for the power steering for ya. Unlike your picture in post #6, mine routes through the green box in your picture so I'm assuming your tech re-routed yours before taking the picture. I can see the bracket he may be referring to but at least on my car it doesn't look like it's at risk of cutting. I like the stock routing.




I hope you get the oil issue worked out. Seems like a bad warranty issue thats requiring some disassembly to get resolved. Sucks dude!
That routing looks to be better but still could use some added protective sleeve where it goes past that trans bracket IMO otherwise chafing could still occur....easier to take preventative measures now than to have to replace a wiring harness later.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:32 AM   #58
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Wow, that really sucks. Im going to look my car over closely underneath as well.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:43 AM   #59
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Let me start by saying that I have referenced and researched Camaro5 for information involving both my early production 2010 2SS, and my 2012 ZL1. I have not until now felt that my voice or input was necessary but through the events of the past week I think it is time I put forth my 2 cents.

I ordered my 2012 ZL1 in mid-February at a local but small scale Chevrolet dealership with the hopes that they would come through with an allocation. Several months later and by chance they did receive an allocation and my ZL1 was produced. My ZL1 is number 1526 AGM Manual, and I took delivery of it June 23rd.

I followed the break in instructions to the letter, as per information obtained from Camaro5 along with the owners manual. I passed the 1500 mile point on the 4th of July and proceeded to run the car through some of its paces including accelerating above 4000RPM and a little faster then the 80mph restriction. I by no means drove the car to its limit, but soon found that I could smell some burning oil and as the car had not been driven above 4000rpm at that point I believed it to be normal. I proceeded to park it over night, with the smell of burning oil filling my garage. The next morning I found there was a quite heavy pattern of oil dripping from below the car.

Still hoping for the best I turned the car into the dealership I purchased it from for a post break-in period inspection, oil change, and hopefully to hear the fluid leaking was a normal issue. The spray of oil from the night previous covered a vast portion of the underside of the car and had wrapped onto the rear quarter panel and back of the vehicle.
Congratulations on the new Camaro ZL1. Please let us know if your dealership was able to take care of these issues for you. If you have any questions at all, please feel free to contact me at your convenience.

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Old 07-12-2012, 08:59 AM   #60
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I would be pretty upset but do realize things happen. It sucks being the person with the problems. The key is having a good dealer and a good mechanic. They can both take care of you and get things squared away.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:03 AM   #61
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Demand new drivetrain. Good friend of mine currently going through a similar scenerio with his 12 F250 Pickup, the number 8 cylinder let go, the dealership wants to replace only the shortblock but he is pushing for complete engine replacement, it's no easy task as Ford is not caving thus far. At this point his truck is sitting at the dealer awaiting the outcome. Needless to say he isn't happy and told the dealer yesterday he wants a new engine or they keep the truck and he hires a lawyer.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:20 AM   #62
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Good catch CAM ZL1 on the wire bundle.. In the aircraft industry, we called that condition "chaffing" and in this case, it not only can cause system failures but worse yet a fire caused by shorted hot wires to ground. Chevy should at least look into their production line to make sure that this is just an isolated case.
Like to make one note about the engine compartment wire bundle routing, I've noticed at least on my car, there are many areas of "chaffing condition" which was corrected with adding teflon tape to mitigate the condition. I think they can do a better job.
But with all that being said, I still loooooove my ZL1!!
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:12 AM   #63
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i thought i saw an add somewhere that said there was 60day money back guarantee on the new chevy's including camaro
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:13 AM   #64
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Estás sir correcto
I stand corrected. Thanks to you both for setting me straight.
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #65
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:24 AM   #66
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What a headache to have to go through so soon. Hope they get this corrected in a timely manner for you.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:20 PM   #67
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I just checked on Camaro5, that came out 7/10/12, it said that at least the MY 13 ZL1's are excluded from the 60 day return. All the other Camaro's are included. It doesn't state anything about the 12's.:(




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Old 07-12-2012, 01:03 PM   #68
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I stand corrected. Thanks to you both for setting me straight.
No big deal. Trust me I wish it wasn't so and they were built in Wixom.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:09 PM   #69
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He already said he wanted a 2012 not a 13...
Yeah i know but its still better than driving a lemon. And besides, there are still 2012's out there still sitting on lots.
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Thank you for the heads up. It is good to have advance info like this so we can check ours out before damage occurs. Thank you very much again!

And, you may want to check the Master Cylinder vacuum lines that run to the intake under the engine cover. I found my hose was being chaffed buy the engine cover and did my own mod to fix it. Here was my original post on that issue FYI.

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Old 07-12-2012, 03:33 PM   #71
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Hey CAM ZL1. Sucks what you're going through with your new ZL1. I have #140. It's also AGM with a manual. Have just over 5000 miles on it and it's currently down for mods in my garage so I figured I'd go out and at least look at my wire harnes routing for the power steering for ya. Unlike your picture in post #6, mine routes through the green box in your picture so I'm assuming your tech re-routed yours before taking the picture. I can see the bracket he may be referring to but at least on my car it doesn't look like it's at risk of cutting. I like the stock routing.

Attached is a photo I took where the razor-sharp portion of the engine block is highlighted by the green box. You can actually see the burr, which I physically felt, and it was infact, sharp. In my, and the service tech's opinion, that wiring harness being mashed against the sharp surface would sooner or later cause failure. Shifted to the right, as I highlighted in red, the harness has some play, but is still clear of any chaffing issues.

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It seems like no one has noted the front fascia ductwork the service tech found that was installed incorrectly and for lack of a better term, "loose". I haven't been able to personally look at this issue because the car has been on a lift, but maybe someone knows the component he was referencing. I will try to post pictures of it when I have access to the car.

No word back yet on the replacement flywheel, clutch, or rear engine block plate and a "level 2" customer service rep told me they would conclude their research and call me Friday if and when the issue is resolved. Thanks for your support my fellow ZL1 owners and Camaro enthusiasts, I hope I'm the only one who has to deal with any of these issues let alone all of them.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:39 PM   #72
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DAMN........ what happened to the Quality Control hold all these cars were on right before they were released......I understand a mass produced item has issues but this isn't a cheap item and I would be a little PO'd after the long wait and now running into some serious concerns on a very expensive car..
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:41 PM   #73
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As if things weren't bad enough. 20 days since I ordered my custom plate it finally arrived.

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If it needs to be said, I put the order in for "CAM ZL1", and I mean 1 not the roman numeral version which either the dealership employee or the state decided fit to give me.
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As if things weren't bad enough. 20 days since I ordered my custom plate it finally arrived.

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If it needs to be said, I put the order in for "CAM ZL1", and I mean 1 not the roman numeral version which either the dealership employee or the state decided fit to give me.
Send the plates back , that's not what you paid for .
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:08 PM   #75
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Unfortunately I don't think they would be able to replace it with a limited production 2012 MY.
I'd atleast try. I would not continue to deal with this car if you do not have to. It just seems like the car will continue to give you issues.

GM can probably locate another ZL1 for you that has not been sold. You paid way to much $ to already be having issues.
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