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Lowtan · 07-13-2012, 01:37 PM

I've been seeing many camaros, mustangs and chargers today and it got me thinking. Chargers seem like a better fit than the challanger. Just looking at body shape and such.

Sorry if this is in the wrong spot to post this.

emsand1 · 07-13-2012, 01:41 PM

Great food for thought but I think the Challenger fits the mold better than the four door Chargers.

Awill · 07-13-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by emsand1

Great food for thought but I think the Challenger fits the mold better than the four door Chargers.

Fiveg56 · 07-13-2012, 01:43 PM

too (two) many doors

Obzen · 07-13-2012, 01:43 PM

It's 4 doors and isn't related to its heritage at all. It's an ok car but it should have never been called a charger.

Kent2010 · 07-13-2012, 01:44 PM

Simple. Chargers are left out bc they have 4 doors.
4 door cars are not part of the muscle car/ pony car world. Period.

How in the world does Challenger not "fit as well" as a Charger????

Lowtan · 07-13-2012, 01:48 PM

Completely overlooked the 4 door thing...

squat · 07-13-2012, 02:34 PM

In my opinion the shape and body style doesn't matter that much, the new camaro doesn't look like the old ones yet it is still a muscle car. The challenger/mustangs closely resemble their counterparts from the late 60s and early 70s. The one thing that makes the charger not a muscle car is the number of doors.

dkp2LT · 07-13-2012, 02:41 PM

Agree it's the door count.

I'm not a huge Challenger fan, but if the Charger is an indication of what Dodge is going then I think they have a strong future. The Charger is probably the best looking 4 door out there IMO.

45thAnniversary2SS · 07-13-2012, 02:41 PM

Definitely an issue with the 4 doors, but I'm not crazy about the rear end on the charger either. Not sure if I dislike the Mustank or Charger rear more..

Challenger is a gorgeous machine.

Revenant · 07-13-2012, 02:45 PM

Plus I think the charger only comes in automatic >>

Cameroman · 07-13-2012, 02:46 PM

if i had to choose charger or challenger. challenger all day

Overflow · 07-13-2012, 02:46 PM

Charger is a sedan, and many people don't think of a muscle car as a sedan. That's basically the only reason.

45thAnniversary2SS · 07-13-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Revenant

Plus I think the charger only comes in automatic >>

I also believe this is the case. Why would they do that though?

Overflow · 07-13-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Revenant

Plus I think the charger only comes in automatic >>

No the SRT8 has a manual transmission.

GEEKFREEKSCOTTY · 07-13-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by squat

In my opinion the shape and body style doesn't matter that much, the new camaro doesn't look like the old ones yet it is still a muscle car.

You've seen a 5th Gen camaro, right??

There's actually a lot of design elements carried over to from the 1st gen camaros.

Granted, of the 3 "new muscle" cars out there, I think the Camaro did the most in terms of "straying" from the original body style.

But, it definitely has more design commonalities with the 1st Gen, than 2nd - 4th gen Camaros did

silentownage001 · 07-13-2012, 02:59 PM

I hate 4 doors...

ToolFan66 · 07-13-2012, 03:10 PM

Really? I personally think all 3 did a fantastic job at the so called retro look. With that said I think the Challenger looks the best in the so called retro look, and with that said I would take the Camaro and think the Camaro is the better all around Muscle car out of the 3 with the Mustang in a close second.

This is of course my opinon..

Steve Dallas · 07-13-2012, 03:57 PM

I have to say that Dodge really hit it out of the park as far as the look of the Challenger.

My first car was a 73 Dodge Charger SE, and I do like the look of the Charger too, though it's more of a stretch to see the historic charger lines in the new version.

Still, before I bought my Camaro, I was looking into getting an AWD Charger R/T...glad I decided on the Camaro instead

ShowSStopper · 07-13-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiveg56

too (two) many doors

rez333 · 07-13-2012, 05:31 PM

The Charger is fat and ugly. Its dimensions are all out of whack, like a misshapen hunchback monkey boy. The Challenger on the other hand has an attractive shape and fits 5 people comfortably, thereby making the Charger a complete waste of time and space.

Check out this artist impression of a two door Charger:

.. looks great! But elongate the cabin and it becomes this monstrosity:

Which to me looks like a Frankenstein mutant hybrid of a muscle car and full-sized family sedan - which is basically what it's trying to be anyway!

Why don't we make a hybrid of a Corvette and a mini-van to make everyone happy! Not. Don't mix and match.

Overflow · 07-13-2012, 05:45 PM

Uh.. I don't know about anyone else, but IMHO Charger is the best looking sedan and one of the best looking American cars out there. The Charger looks way better than the C6 IMO.

*DGthe3* · 07-13-2012, 09:10 PM

The Charger is left out because it was never a pony car. The Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger were. Doesn't really have anything to do with 2 doors vs 4, not with me anyway.

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Originally Posted by rez333

The Charger is fat and ugly. Its dimensions are all out of whack, like a misshapen hunchback monkey boy. The Challenger on the other hand has an attractive shape and fits 5 people comfortably, thereby making the Charger a complete waste of time and space.

Check out this artist impression of a two door Charger:

.. looks great! But elongate the cabin and it becomes this monstrosity:

Which to me looks like a Frankenstein mutant hybrid of a muscle car and full-sized family sedan - which is basically what it's trying to be anyway!

Why don't we make a hybrid of a Corvette and a mini-van to make everyone happy! Not. Don't mix and match.

'fat, ugly, and the dimensions are out of whack'

Those descriptors could apply just as easily to the Challenger as they do to the Charger.

5 people will be far more comfortable in a Charger than a Challenger. And that 2 door Charger photoshop has had far more bodywork changed than just shortening the cabin. Looks like the fender flares were enlarged, the doors were given more of a curve, the body lines were sharpened, the 'hips' were flattened and given more definition. If you did these things to the sedan, it would look a lot better too.

The IOM Ninja · 07-13-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

You've seen a 5th Gen camaro, right??

There's actually a lot of design elements carried over to from the 1st gen camaros.

Granted, of the 3 "new muscle" cars out there, I think the Camaro did the most in terms of "straying" from the original body style.

But, it definitely has more design commonalities with the 1st Gen, than 2nd - 4th gen Camaros did

Ahh yes the Gen 4 Camaro A.K.A. the Caviller Camaro....

y2k king · 07-13-2012, 09:39 PM

it's a 4 door sedan!!!

07-13-2012, 01:37 PM	#1
Lowtan Drives: Don't have my Camaro YET Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 145	why is the charger left out of the big 3? I've been seeing many camaros, mustangs and chargers today and it got me thinking. Chargers seem like a better fit than the challanger. Just looking at body shape and such. Sorry if this is in the wrong spot to post this.

07-13-2012, 01:41 PM	#2
emsand1 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Inferno Orange Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 15	I respectfully disagree Great food for thought but I think the Challenger fits the mold better than the four door Chargers.

07-13-2012, 02:34 PM	#8
squat Drives: 2011 Dodge Charger Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MN Posts: 887	In my opinion the shape and body style doesn't matter that much, the new camaro doesn't look like the old ones yet it is still a muscle car. The challenger/mustangs closely resemble their counterparts from the late 60s and early 70s. The one thing that makes the charger not a muscle car is the number of doors. __________________ 2011 Dodge Charger

07-13-2012, 02:41 PM	#10
45thAnniversary2SS Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary 2SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 768 View My Garage	Definitely an issue with the 4 doors, but I'm not crazy about the rear end on the charger either. Not sure if I dislike the Mustank or Charger rear more.. Challenger is a gorgeous machine. __________________

07-13-2012, 02:45 PM	#11
Revenant Drives: '11 1SS LS3 and '90 240sx hatch. Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 258	Plus I think the charger only comes in automatic >> __________________

07-13-2012, 01:43 PM	#4
Fiveg56 Drives: Yes Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: MN Posts: 1,594 View My Garage	too (two) many doors

07-13-2012, 01:43 PM	#5
Obzen Pull up Cougar! Drives: 2011 SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,853	It's 4 doors and isn't related to its heritage at all. It's an ok car but it should have never been called a charger.

07-13-2012, 01:44 PM	#6
Kent2010 Drives: Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 166	Simple. Chargers are left out bc they have 4 doors. 4 door cars are not part of the muscle car/ pony car world. Period. How in the world does Challenger not "fit as well" as a Charger????

07-13-2012, 01:48 PM	#7
Lowtan Drives: Don't have my Camaro YET Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 145	Completely overlooked the 4 door thing...

07-13-2012, 02:41 PM	#9
dkp2LT Drives: 2010 LLT/RS, '07 MKX, '10 Flex Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,964	Agree it's the door count. I'm not a huge Challenger fan, but if the Charger is an indication of what Dodge is going then I think they have a strong future. The Charger is probably the best looking 4 door out there IMO.

07-13-2012, 02:46 PM	#12
Cameroman Drives: :( Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: baton rouge Posts: 14	if i had to choose charger or challenger. challenger all day

07-13-2012, 02:46 PM	#13
Overflow Space Shuttle Aficionado Drives: 7,000,000 lbs. of thrust Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 25,273	Charger is a sedan, and many people don't think of a muscle car as a sedan. That's basically the only reason. __________________ Overflow's NASA Thread!

07-13-2012, 02:59 PM	#17
silentownage001 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2LT/RS Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 51	I hate 4 doors... __________________ Current 2013 Camaro 2LT/RS

07-13-2012, 03:10 PM	#18
ToolFan66 Drives: 2011 2SS 6.2L W/RS package Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,488	Really? I personally think all 3 did a fantastic job at the so called retro look. With that said I think the Challenger looks the best in the so called retro look, and with that said I would take the Camaro and think the Camaro is the better all around Muscle car out of the 3 with the Mustang in a close second. This is of course my opinon..

07-13-2012, 03:57 PM	#19
Steve Dallas Commits weekly crime Drives: 2012 Sonic LTZ 1.4 Turbo BTM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 7,418 View My Garage	I have to say that Dodge really hit it out of the park as far as the look of the Challenger. My first car was a 73 Dodge Charger SE, and I do like the look of the Charger too, though it's more of a stretch to see the historic charger lines in the new version. Still, before I bought my Camaro, I was looking into getting an AWD Charger R/T...glad I decided on the Camaro instead __________________ Had fun in the Blue Barchetta - Imperial Blue Metallic 2010 Camaro SS/RS with Ground Effects, Beige Interior, 6speed Manual. I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar. Tires spitting gravel I commit my weekly crime.

07-13-2012, 05:31 PM	#21
rez333 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Joseph Posts: 1,238	The Charger is fat and ugly. Its dimensions are all out of whack, like a misshapen hunchback monkey boy. The Challenger on the other hand has an attractive shape and fits 5 people comfortably, thereby making the Charger a complete waste of time and space. Check out this artist impression of a two door Charger: .. looks great! But elongate the cabin and it becomes this monstrosity: Which to me looks like a Frankenstein mutant hybrid of a muscle car and full-sized family sedan - which is basically what it's trying to be anyway! Why don't we make a hybrid of a Corvette and a mini-van to make everyone happy! Not. Don't mix and match.

07-13-2012, 05:45 PM	#22
Overflow Space Shuttle Aficionado Drives: 7,000,000 lbs. of thrust Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 25,273	Uh.. I don't know about anyone else, but IMHO Charger is the best looking sedan and one of the best looking American cars out there. The Charger looks way better than the C6 IMO. __________________ Overflow's NASA Thread!

07-13-2012, 09:39 PM	#25
y2k king Drives: 2011 ss camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: spring hill, fl Posts: 1,735	it's a 4 door sedan!!! __________________ 10/28/2010 got it