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Old 05-21-2009, 04:29 PM   #1
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Is This Dealer Lieing to Me?

I just talked with a dealer a few days ago about a 2SS they had on their lot. I asked the price and the salesman says $7,000 over MSRP "market adjustment". I of course told them I wasn't interested in paying over MSRP, that was not good business, etc and left.

Today I got an email from the sales Mgr. at this dealer trying to justify the extra $7000 over MSRP. As you read his justification (below) for the $7,000 extra, keep in mind that the VIN of this particular car shows up as tagged to this dealer and only this dealer in the VIN tracking spreadsheet here on Camaro5. I think he is lieing when he says they bought it from another dealer from another state since it shows up on the tracking sheet as being their dealership's car. Based on that, is there any way what he says could be true?

Dear Sir,
I wanted to take a moment to clarify the pricing on the SS Camaro that you inquired about. All of our Camaro's are available at MSRP on an order basis. We have been taking these orders for almost a year now and unfortunately, have sold our allotment through approximately mid-November (depending on current production schedules remaining constant). The SS that you inquired about was purchased by us from a competing out of state dealer at a significant amount over MSRP. We purchased this car in order to meet the local demands of people wanting to see the Camaro more than our desire to sell this specific car. Having paid over sticker for it and having to absorb the cost of transporting the car. we now own the car for quite a bit over sticker, explaining why the price was quoted to you. This is the fourth Camaro that we have purchased and brought into the store and though our intention was to hold onto them, they have all sold on a fairly steady basis.

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Old 05-21-2009, 04:34 PM   #2
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Good hell.... that has to be a lie. They need to be exposed and embarrassed.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:35 PM   #3
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I really don't think a dealer is going to "buy" a car just to have it on the lot to make his customers "happy".
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if they bought it, wouldn't that mean it was titled and would be a "used" car?
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:37 PM   #5
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He is lying!!! That is just bad business.

Call him out on it. Make him very uncomfortable.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:38 PM   #6
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This guy is truly lying. He deserves a good



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Call the news. Its what i'd do.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:39 PM   #7
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if they bought it, wouldn't that mean it was titled and would be a "used" car?
No, dealers buy and trade new stock all the time, and they don't title the car.

And this story is definitely BS, its on the VIN sheet for this dealer meaning its window stickered to this dealer... nice try though!
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Tell him your going to bring a copy of the window sticker (try to get it off here if you can through his vin) and the local news. See if he'll work on that msrp at that point.
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QUOTE=Sloppy Joe;507878]I just talked with a dealer a few days ago about a 2SS they had on their lot. I asked the price and the salesman says $7,000 over MSRP "market adjustment". I of course told them I wasn't interested in paying over MSRP, that was not good business, etc and left.

Today I got an email from the sales Mgr. at this dealer trying to justify the extra $7000 over MSRP. As you read his justification (below) for the $7,000 extra, keep in mind that the VIN of this particular car shows up as tagged to this dealer and only this dealer in the VIN tracking spreadsheet here on Camaro5. I think he is lieing when he says they bought it from another dealer from another state since it shows up on the tracking sheet as being their dealership's car. Based on that, is there any way what he says could be true?

Dear Sir,
I wanted to take a moment to clarify the pricing on the SS Camaro that you inquired about. All of our Camaro's are available at MSRP on an order basis. We have been taking these orders for almost a year now and unfortunately, have sold our allotment through approximately mid-November (depending on current production schedules remaining constant). The SS that you inquired about was purchased by us from a competing out of state dealer at a significant amount over MSRP. We purchased this car in order to meet the local demands of people wanting to see the Camaro more than our desire to sell this specific car. Having paid over sticker for it and having to absorb the cost of transporting the car. we now own the car for quite a bit over sticker, explaining why the price was quoted to you. This is the fourth Camaro that we have purchased and brought into the store and though our intention was to hold onto them, they have all sold on a fairly steady basis.

Sincerely,
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:45 PM   #10
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Wow! Can a dealer get a little, teeny break?

First of all, look at the sticker on the car. It would have the original dealer the car was shipped to. Second, when a dealer buys a car from another dealer (or swaps it), the Chevrolet website will show a "window sticker" for the dealer that now owns the car.

I've been offered many Camaros at $3-4000 over MSRP from no less than 3 transfer companies at least 3 times a week.

So, for all of you who really don't know exactly what's going on, you really need more info before killing a dealer.

If it will all make you feel better, give me the VIN and I'll tell you what dealer it was originally invoiced to. If it's not the same as the dealer who now has the car, you'll know the dealer was not lying.
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Tell him your going to bring a copy of the window sticker (try to get it off here if you can through his vin) and the local news. See if he'll work on that msrp at that point.
Also take that email as proof of his lie. If you take the media with you - I bet he denies what he said in it!!!
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Also take that email as proof of his lie. If you take the media with you - I bet he denies what he said in it!!!
Seeing I work at a dealer, the car has a invoice and window sticker assinged to the originating dealer. If the window sticker has their name on it, it is BS.

$7000 over MSRP is bullshit. Find another dealer who is willing to sell at MSRP like we do.

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It's impossible. You have massive amounts of cars on the market, you have rapid dropping used prices. Used Vettes and 4th gens are dropping like a rock right now.

Couple that with Avis rentals will be hitting the used market in 12-36 months. This normally lowers the used values.

So any penny over MSRP is the same as taking that cash and lighting a Cigar. There are 190+ MSRP dealers on the list, use one of them.
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If, in fact, the dealer bought this Camaro to fulfill demand from another dealer and paid over sticker, he will try to recoup his money and then some. Many dealers bought ZR-1's and paid MSRP or more and then charged a markup accordingly. This is normal in the car business.

If you don't like the price, walk away. News agencies could care less about the price a car dealer is charging. Just go find one that is at MSRP and go buy it.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:03 PM   #15
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PM'ed you the VIN.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:11 PM   #16
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RPO_Z28 is totally right here. Give the dealer the benefit of the doubt until you know. It could be a dealer trade, or swap. Like RPO_Z28 said, give the VIN and we can know for sure. If not, then its speculation.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:33 PM   #17
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It has been confirmed the dealer is lieing based on the VIN.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:48 PM   #18
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Thanks to RPO Z28, He pretty pretty much confirmed the dealer is lieing based on the VIN. I'm going to nail their asses!
As I suspected. Good to know for sure before destroying someone though
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:50 PM   #19
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3 of the 4 local dealers here in Springfield, Mo have given me the same line. I did not believe them, but when speaking with my trusted dealer in Republic, he said that they all had to do that to get a car in. That was an option for them but the will not sell over MRSP, so they declined. They are very frustrated that they have not received a Camaro yet.
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Old 05-21-2009, 06:32 PM   #20
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3 of the 4 local dealers here in Springfield, Mo have given me the same line. I did not believe them, but when speaking with my trusted dealer in Republic, he said that they all had to do that to get a car in. That was an option for them but the will not sell over MRSP, so they declined. They are very frustrated that they have not received a Camaro yet.

I had talked to Relibable Chevy in Springfield last fall (Early Nov) and I was quoted:
5K over MSRP on the V6
10K over MSRP on the V8
I told them I was not going to pay over MSRP, they told me I would not buy one from them. How correct they were...........
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:06 PM   #21
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I had talked to Relibable Chevy in Springfield last fall (Early Nov) and I was quoted:
5K over MSRP on the V6
10K over MSRP on the V8
I told them I was not going to pay over MSRP, they told me I would not buy one from them. How correct they were...........
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I guess it won't be much of a surprise to you that they are exactly the same dealer involved here?
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:47 PM   #22
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I would recommend you go see Pinegar in Republic when they get one in. They have always been good to me. The only problem is that 10 of their 12 camaros are sold all ready. I would place an order with them, but I am not sure of the V6 or V8 yet. I gotta drive before I buy.
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:53 PM   #23
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I had talked to Relibable Chevy in Springfield last fall (Early Nov) and I was quoted:
5K over MSRP on the V6
10K over MSRP on the V8
I told them I was not going to pay over MSRP, they told me I would not buy one from them. How correct they were...........
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Sloppy Joe: I guess it won't be much of a surprise to you that they are exactly the same dealer involved here?
Ha guys i don't want to start WW III, But before you go to that extreme do you not want to Call the dealer to get the info from them.
I ordered a camaro from WES MILBY at Relibable Chevy in Springfield Mo at MSRP, On 10/14/08 and i was and still am the #2 car from the dealer Allotment.

Wes was good to work with he go me the paper work fast and did not play games at the time of ordering the car.

As for you popeye this is your post on 12-30-2008 you wanted a car for Invoice, In December? No one was doing that and not to many are doing it now
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11115

Like i said Call and ask for WES MILBY he will let you know what is up on this car, hay how Meany dealers are selling C6 corvettes for this prices.

All this is from the Corvette forum that i belong to as well
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Here's a combined list of the cars we have available at these Huge Discounts. These prices are not going to last long, so I'd like to see you guy's take advantage of these prices.

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1) 2LT Coupe: Arctic White w/Ebony & Red 2-Tone
MN6 - Manual Trans
NPP - Dual Mode Exhaust
Q9V - Chrome Wheels
MSRP: $53,180
Invoice: $48,215.13
GM Employee: $45,921.93 SOLD
Forum Price: $42,158.33

2) 3LT Coupe: Victory Red w/Ebony
MN6 - Manual Trans
Q9V - Chrome Wheels
Z51 - Performance Pkg
MSRP: $57,515
Invoice: $51,955.33
GM Employee: $49,488.73 SOLD
Forum Price: $45,603.53

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Z51 - Performance Pkg
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MSRP: $61,225
Invoice: $54,972.93
GM Employee: $52,357.93
Forum Price: $48,594.33

4) 3LT Coupe: Jetstream Blue w/Ebony
CC3 - Transparent Top
MX0 - Automatic Trans
NPP - Dual Mode Exhaust
QG7 - Polished Wheels
U3U - Navigation
Z51 - Performance Pkg
MSRP: $61,135
Invoice: $54,993.33
GM Employee: $52,381.93
Forum Price: $48,618.33

5) 3LT Coupe: Arctic White w/Ebony & Titanium 2-Tone
CC3 - Transparent Top
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MN6 - Manual Trans
NPP - Dual Mode Exhaust
Q9V - Chrome Wheels
U3U - Navigation
VDA - Side Cover Mesh Pkg w/Grill
MSRP: $61,400
Invoice: $55,119.93
GM Employee: $52,497.93
Forum Price: $48,734.33

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6) 1LZ Blade Silver w/Ebony
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--YF5 California Emissions
MSRP: $75,170
Invoice: $68,433.93
GM Employee: $65,261.13 SOLD
Forum Price: $59,347.13

7) 2LZ Black w/Ebony
Q76 - Original Chrome Wheels
MSRP: $78,265
Invoice: $70,934.93
GM Employee: $67,638.33 SOLD
Forum Price: $61,845.93

8) 2LZ Blade Silver w/Ebony
Q8A - Chrome Spiders
U3U - Navigation
YF5 - California Emissions
MSRP: $81,535
Invoice: $73,780.53
GM Employee: $70,353.13 SOLD
Forum Price: $64,439.13

9) 2LZ Blade Silver w/Ebony
Q8A - Chrome Spiders
U3U - Navigation
YF5 - California Emissions
5V5 - Full Width Spoiler
MSRP: $81,940
Invoice: $74,120.73
GM Employee: $70,677.13 SOLD
Forum Price: $64,763.13

10) 3LZ Blade Silver w/Ebony
Q76 - Original Chrome Wheels
U3U - Navigation
YF5 - California Emissions
MSRP: $83,515
Invoice: $75,344.93
GM Employee: $71,838.33 SOLD
Forum Price: $66,045.93

11) 3LZ Blade Silver w/Ebony
Q8A - Chrome Spiders
U3U - Navigation
MSRP: $85,035
Invoice: $76,720.53
GM Employee: $73,153.13 SOLD
Forum Price: $67,239.13

12) 3LZ Velocity Yellow w/Ebony
Q8A - Chrome Spiders
U3U - Navigation
MSRP: $85,785
Invoice: $78,640.28
GM Employee: $75,042.88
Forum Price: $69,128.88

Thanks,

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2SSRS, I have had bad past experiences with them, but that can always change. Good luck with your car. What did you order? I might have to check it out when it gets in. If I pay them a visit again, I will ask for Wes.
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