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Old 07-28-2012, 11:47 AM   #127
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I was thinking in overall terms; it's European holdings aren't making money and we the taxpayers are losing relative to the bailout. They're doing better in the U.S.
I think traditionally GM has not done all that well in Europe. China is a different story, I'm pretty sure Buick is still the largest selling foreign brand in China (though I have not seen recent figures).
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:11 PM   #128
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I was thinking in overall terms; it's European holdings aren't making money and we the taxpayers are losing relative to the bailout. They're doing better in the U.S.
That first link seems like political propaganda. Today in the stockmarket stocks prices don't always reflect soundness of a company. The second link is GM dealing with Opel. Opel has always been touch n go. Marketing is the key and what better way to sell something than to market a strong point (Z28). It is the most well recognized Camaro. And notice GM tends to release more powerful marketing weapons as a vehicle ages in design. I say give us Gen5 Z28 Camaro!

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That first link seems like political propaganda. Today in the stockmarket stocks prices don't always reflect soundness of a company. The second link is GM dealing with Opel. Opel has always been touch n go. Marketing is the key and what better way to sell something than to market a strong point (Z28). It is the most well recognized Camaro. And notice GM tends to release more powerful marketing weapons as a vehicle ages in design. I say give us Gen5 Camaro!
True that. Marketing is key. What better name is there to market, and reintroduce the heritage and model recognition than Z28? It's a no brainer, there's a legacy. A past, an early history, Zora, Mark...the beginning where it all started. It's the reason where we are today.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:15 PM   #130
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:27 PM   #131
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:47 AM   #132
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:05 AM   #133
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LS92 making 1000 hp and 800 tq. . .oh snap I'm dreaming again.

How about a Gen V 6.2L DI V8. dreaming still.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:43 PM   #134
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How about a Gen V 6.2L DI V8. dreaming still.
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:44 PM   #135
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As long as its in a 6th gen ill be happy. The 5th gen while it's awesome, we ALL know it's a pig. You put a 6.2L DI in an alpha platform car and you have a lighter faster car. Everyone complains about ford getting the best of us in both track and strip? A 6th gen alpha platformed camaro would take it and I believe it will be a Z28 6th gen.
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How about a high revving 302ci DI engine. The displacement would be reminiscent of the 1st gen Z28 engine.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:05 PM   #137
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How about a high revving 302ci DI engine. The displacement would be reminiscent of the 1st gen Z28 engine.
As discussed in numerous threads on these forums, that is not likely to happen. GM/Chevy these days pretty much rely on a couple of displacement sizes in numerous configurations to power many different vehicles, they rarely anymore do a "one off" type of engine for a specific model. And as much as I'd like too see a new 4.9/5.0 Chevy performance engine, I truly don't expect it to happen.
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As long as its in a 6th gen ill be happy. The 5th gen while it's awesome, we ALL know it's a pig. You put a 6.2L DI in an alpha platform car and you have a lighter faster car. Everyone complains about ford getting the best of us in both track and strip? A 6th gen alpha platformed camaro would take it and I believe it will be a Z28 6th gen.
I'm very concerned that hopes are too high regarding the weight of the upcoming 6Gen. The weight of the ATS with a V6 has been said to be 3,550 lbs. Based on that a best guess is that a V8 6Gen Camaro would be 3,650+. A 200 lbs weight reduction in 1/4 mile terms is about .2 seconds. All this being said why can't a 5Gen be a Z28?
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I read in Motortrend that the ATS I4 is under 3,400lbs and the V6 is just about 3,460lbs. I'd imagine the Camaro could be 3,460 with a V8 since Caddy's typically weigh a little more (moer luxury, doors, etc). IMO we will see a 3,400lb gen6 with a V8 unless they come standard with AWD.

2.5L RWD/auto- 3315 Lbs = 16.4 power to weight
2.0T RWD/auto- 3373 Lbs = 12.4 power to weight
2.0T RWD/6M- 3403 Lbs = 12.5 power to weight
2.0T AWD/auto-3543 Lbs = 13.0 power to weight
3.6L RWD/auto-3461 Lbs = 10.7 power to weight
3.6L AWD/auto- 3629 Lbs = 11.3 power to weight
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The Z/28 and Z06 should get the same or similar engine. They are both build for the same purpose. N/A, high revving and good power.
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