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Old 07-27-2012, 09:51 PM   #120
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Facts are. GM does not do upgrades on engines. They introduce another engine model. It's too late in the game for that with the Swan song coming for the LS family and the advent of the DI in two years (for the Camaro). GM has done a stage two upgrade before, and that is the only viable alternative for HP increase from the factory for the LSA. Otherwise, it's dance with with who brought you for all other models. Certification smoke and mirror ploys can be done for example as done with the V6 where a power increase was shown when in reality there was nothing done to the motor. It's a forgone conclusion by what I understand there will be a Z28 in the final days of the Gen5. The groundwork has been layed by the 2013 1LE, and demonstrated in earnest by the L28 project. It's the LS7. The 6 OG have argued 'tll the cows come home, along with Pete, that this can be done within an acceptable price range. Through my conversations the word Z28 raises no questions marks. It's a matter of when, not if. And to me, from my intuition, I think when will be sooner than the nay sayers perceive.

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Old 07-27-2012, 11:16 PM   #121
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Facts are. GM does not do upgrades on engines. They introduce another engine model. It's too late in the game for that with the Swan song coming for the LS family and the advent of the DI in two years (for the Camaro). GM has done a stage two upgrade before, and that is the only viable alternative for HP increase from the factory for the LSA. Otherwise, it's dance with with who brought you for all other models. Certification smoke and mirror ploys can be done for example as done with the V6 where a power increase was shown when in reality there was nothing done to the motor. It's a forgone conclusion by what I understand there will be a Z28 in the final days of the Gen5. The groundwork has been layed by the 2013 1LE, and demonstrated in earnest by the L28 project. It's the LS7. The 6 OG have argued 'tll the cows come home, along with Pete, that this can be done within an acceptable price range. Through my conversations the word Z28 raises no questions marks. It's a matter of when, not if. And to me, from my intuition, I think when will be sooner than the nay sayers perceive.

And from another OG, by George I think you've hit the nail on the head (yet again!), that would be exactly what I would expect GM to do at this point in time.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:36 AM   #122
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I would be disappointed if they do a Z/28 on the 5th gen platform. It's too heavy. I can tell by the electric steering, clutch, trans, drivetrain, rear suspension geometry of the ZL1 and 1LE that they're going to school gradually on where they're going to be in a few years time. The Z/28 needs to be one of the 6th gen models. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have one "in the works" inside one of their Area 51 type buildings.

Ford isn't waiting to see what GM does before they decide to do something; they're working on their's already. GM needs to move ahead and debut the Z28 with the 6th gen and hopefully sometime next year as a model year 2014; not come out with a Z/28 as the last dying breath of the 5th gen platform. The Z/28 should just rule on the track; period.

GM is losing money as a company so the success of the Camaro needs to be the focus by keeping it fresh and "leading edge" instead of slowly strangling it with "packages" until it's just a mule with a package-of-the-month hanging on it.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:48 AM   #123
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Gm is losing money? I thought they were in the black after becoming government motors
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:15 AM   #124
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Yeah I'm under the impression that GM is doing fairly well these days.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:04 AM   #125
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GM reported June US sales of 248,750 vehicles, up 16 percent from a year ago and the company's highest monthly sales since September 2008. Divisions Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac all reported double-digit increases.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:55 AM   #126
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http://news.investors.com/article/61...hares-fall.htm

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...n-head-mess-/1

I was thinking in overall terms; it's European holdings aren't making money and we the taxpayers are losing relative to the bailout. They're doing better in the U.S.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #127
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I was thinking in overall terms; it's European holdings aren't making money and we the taxpayers are losing relative to the bailout. They're doing better in the U.S.
I think traditionally GM has not done all that well in Europe. China is a different story, I'm pretty sure Buick is still the largest selling foreign brand in China (though I have not seen recent figures).
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:11 PM   #128
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I was thinking in overall terms; it's European holdings aren't making money and we the taxpayers are losing relative to the bailout. They're doing better in the U.S.
That first link seems like political propaganda. Today in the stockmarket stocks prices don't always reflect soundness of a company. The second link is GM dealing with Opel. Opel has always been touch n go. Marketing is the key and what better way to sell something than to market a strong point (Z28). It is the most well recognized Camaro. And notice GM tends to release more powerful marketing weapons as a vehicle ages in design. I say give us Gen5 Z28 Camaro!

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That first link seems like political propaganda. Today in the stockmarket stocks prices don't always reflect soundness of a company. The second link is GM dealing with Opel. Opel has always been touch n go. Marketing is the key and what better way to sell something than to market a strong point (Z28). It is the most well recognized Camaro. And notice GM tends to release more powerful marketing weapons as a vehicle ages in design. I say give us Gen5 Camaro!
True that. Marketing is key. What better name is there to market, and reintroduce the heritage and model recognition than Z28? It's a no brainer, there's a legacy. A past, an early history, Zora, Mark...the beginning where it all started. It's the reason where we are today.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:15 AM   #130
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:47 AM   #132
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:05 PM   #133
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LS92 making 1000 hp and 800 tq. . .oh snap I'm dreaming again.

How about a Gen V 6.2L DI V8. dreaming still.
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:43 PM   #134
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How about a Gen V 6.2L DI V8. dreaming still.
Maybe not......
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:44 PM   #135
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As long as its in a 6th gen ill be happy. The 5th gen while it's awesome, we ALL know it's a pig. You put a 6.2L DI in an alpha platform car and you have a lighter faster car. Everyone complains about ford getting the best of us in both track and strip? A 6th gen alpha platformed camaro would take it and I believe it will be a Z28 6th gen.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:57 PM   #136
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How about a high revving 302ci DI engine. The displacement would be reminiscent of the 1st gen Z28 engine.
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