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Old 07-16-2012, 08:37 PM   #1
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Talking DSS 1 piece shaft for V6's!

Well the UPS man showed up on July 5th with a long box that weighed about 17 pounds. I'm sure by the title you can guess what was inside. That's right, the Drive Shaft Shop based out in North Carolina now makes 1 piece aluminum (and I am assuming carbon fiber) drive shafts for the 2010+ V6 Camaro. As far as I know I am the first to have one, if I am mistaken please chime in!

First and foremost I would like to say that the quality of construction on this drive shaft is second to none . It was WELL worth the wait for this piece! I dealt mostly with Frank over there at DSS through the whole process and his customer service is nothing shy of spectacular. He was always quick with his responses.

The install was actually very simple, I put the car up on a drive on lift (you can use a swing arm style lift if you want to be able to move the wheels/rotate the shaft without moving the car) and removed the center section of my exhaust (from the cats to the mufflers). At this point there is a heat shield that comes down just below where the carrier bearing is, two 10mm nuts hold it in place. 3 bolts on the transmission end and 3 bolts on the rear end side and 2 bolts on the carrier bearing and out comes the factory piece. I would like to thank GM for not making the carrier bearing such a PITA to remove like was in my 1999 Camaro. Anyhow back to the install.... All the necessary hardware was supplied by DSS. Basically the billet adapter came off the drive shaft and mounted to the transmission, after torquing the cv joint/ drive shaft is bolted up to the adapter using 6 or 8 bolts (can't remember off the top of my head) and torqued. Next line the bolt holes up with the rear end and extend the CV joint to mate the shaft to the diff and install the 3 supplied bolts and torque. Install exhaust (I left heat shield off just for personal preference) and you're done!

Now onto the money....performance. The factory drive shaft looks like it belongs in a Honda. between the carrier bearing and the hard rubber coupling adapters on each end, it gives lots of room for slop. The first thing I noticed was the car pulls harder and is a much smoother transfer of power. Obviously there is no real HP/TQ gains but I think these drop around 2 pounds compared to stock, but eliminating the carrier bearing and improving the coupling to the trans and rear diff are definitely a change for the better. Also it seems as if the dreaded dead spot in the LLT is mitigated (not eliminated but reduced) with this piece. I already have the RX ported throttle body which definitely helped but there was still a little bit of a dead zone, but adding this to the mix seems like it made that zone even smaller.

I appologize for not having pictures right now as I am at work and photobucket is blocked but when I get home tomorrow I will post up the pictures I have so far.

Thanks again to DSS and if anyone is thinking about making the switch, you won't be dissapointed.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:14 AM   #2
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FINALLY!!!! i asked about this a while back when i first got my car. if you dont mind me asking how much did you pay for the drive shaft?
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:48 AM   #3
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My friend who has a 4th gen keeps telling me to get one. I'm a terrible listener and have bad memory but that recommendation stuck. What steers me away is the install. So far I've been lucky to have done all my bolt ons myself with nothing going wrong [major anyway] and the fact that I don't have a lift is another. The second concern I have is how does that play into the rearend or w/e? I'm no car guru but I've learned that the A6's rear is far inferior to the M6 which shares the same kind as the SS. So if I were to ever find myself with a pile of money and nothing to spend it on, I figure a new rear would be nice. New rear = LSD and room for better gears [3.73s sound nice]. So basically does the drive shaft play into such an idea or can I upgrade my drive shaft and still be able to use it if I were to ever upgrade the rear?
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:23 AM   #4
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FINALLY!!!! i asked about this a while back when i first got my car. if you dont mind me asking how much did you pay for the drive shaft?
Yeah I had asked a long time ago around when they introduced the SS products, but the wait is over!

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My friend who has a 4th gen keeps telling me to get one. I'm a terrible listener and have bad memory but that recommendation stuck. What steers me away is the install. So far I've been lucky to have done all my bolt ons myself with nothing going wrong [major anyway] and the fact that I don't have a lift is another. The second concern I have is how does that play into the rearend or w/e? I'm no car guru but I've learned that the A6's rear is far inferior to the M6 which shares the same kind as the SS. So if I were to ever find myself with a pile of money and nothing to spend it on, I figure a new rear would be nice. New rear = LSD and room for better gears [3.73s sound nice]. So basically does the drive shaft play into such an idea or can I upgrade my drive shaft and still be able to use it if I were to ever upgrade the rear?
I put an aluminum one piece drive shaft out of a WS6 Trans Am in my 1999 Camaro and it was a world of difference! Of course the 4th Gen sixxers had steel 2 piece shafts so their was a lot more rotating mass reduction there. The install is actually very simple. I enlisted my wife's help and was done in about 2 hours, but was not in any hurry. The M6 rear is better in that it is a posi-trac (limited slip) as far as being able to reuse the drive shaft I would assume you would be able to as length shouldn't change. Maybe (and just a maybe I'm not sure, it'd be a better question for the DSS) you would need to change the coupler to the rear diff.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:21 AM   #5
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Sounds doable. So it sounds like a new rear won't require replacing the driveshaft. Though as you said I'll ask the Driveshaft Shop soon.
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I have been thinking of getting one for a long time too but can't really afford it lol. I think it will def reduce the power loss to the wheels since it is 1-piece as opposed to 2
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:25 AM   #7
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it took us a bit to get to it, but yes we have 6cly shafts. we have made one in aluminum and one n Carbon and they seem to working great so we will put them on the site when we get a chance. if your interested in one send me a PM for more info
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:55 AM   #8
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Is there any plans to make one for automatics?
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:24 PM   #9
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Is there any plans to make one for automatics?
I've seen auto ones on phastekperformance's website
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:47 PM   #10
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I've seen auto ones on phastekperformance's website

if its there its not listed correctly we havent released a part yet, we have the print made for the one part needed. i just haven't has time to make it. if there is a decent interest let me know and ill see if we can move it up in the production schedule.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:27 PM   #11
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if its there its not listed correctly we havent released a part yet, we have the print made for the one part needed. i just haven't has time to make it. if there is a decent interest let me know and ill see if we can move it up in the production schedule.
This is what I was talking about: http://www.phastekperformance.com/20...t-gmca11-a.htm

I know if you ever came out with one for the auto I would def buy it eventually, would just take me awhile to save up. And I am sure there would be a decent amount of people who own the auto that would jump on this, just not sure how many exactly.
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Just my thoughts, but I'd guess there are just as many, if not more modded automatic V6 owners here than manual, so I'd think the interest would be just as high.
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I would tend to agree with KMPrenger, there is a vast majority of modded autos. In fact I think all te initial FI (TT and SC) guys were auto and just recently some manuals got in the FI game. Maybe make a poll and see what the results would be as far as would purchase in the next couple months and how many would be < 6 months out
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I'm interested. I need every advantage I can against my wife.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:17 PM   #15
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Just my thoughts, but I'd guess there are just as many, if not more modded automatic V6 owners here than manual, so I'd think the interest would be just as high.
I'd say more automatic for sure..

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I'm interested. I need every advantage I can against my wife.
Why? I thought you were consistantly beating your wife in the 1/4?
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I'd say more automatic for sure..



Why? I thought you were consistantly beating your wife in the 1/4?
I'm buying her a tune next month, then she will get 3.73 gears. Kind of sucks having such a huge weight disadvantage, and its going to get worse because she is feeding me too much food.
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Well since I've done just about every NA mod out there for our V6 before I went FI, I feel like I can speek on the subject. The biggest change mod wise you can do for performance IMO is LT headers with high flow cats and ported intake manifold with the spacer.


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and its going to get worse because she is feeding me too much food.
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I'm buying her a tune next month, then she will get 3.73 gears. Kind of sucks having such a huge weight disadvantage, and its going to get worse because she is feeding me too much food.

this gave me a good laugh, OK i will have a talk with my head machinist and the other guys and see what we can do for you Auto guys.
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this gave me a good laugh, OK i will have a talk with my head machinist and the other guys and see what we can do for you Auto guys.
wooooooooaaaah, like what are you thinking? This could potentially be HUGE, and there is most definitely a market for aftermarket mods for us V6'ers. Heck, within the last couple of months half a dozen of us went FI!
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Well since I've done just about every NA mod out there for our V6 before I went FI, I feel like I can speek on the subject. The biggest change mod wise you can do for performance IMO is LT headers with high flow cats and ported intake manifold with the spacer.
I have LT's with HFC, just don't have the ported throttle body or manifold. I do have the spacers though. Hopefully those 2 will help me get some more speed.

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this gave me a good laugh, OK i will have a talk with my head machinist and the other guys and see what we can do for you Auto guys.
Thank you. It would suck to have to swap out the rear end to get a driveshaft.
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Well since I've done just about every NA mod out there for our V6 before I went FI, I feel like I can speek on the subject. The biggest change mod wise you can do for performance IMO is LT headers with high flow cats and ported intake manifold with the spacer.




I have been following your car for a while and I must say I am a little jealous. I am basically tapped out for bolt ons once I get my IM back from porting. Did you have ported heads or was that another member? After I get my IM, catch can and breather it's basically into suspension work for me until after I deploy then I will be able to afford the FI which by then who knows what we will be capable of!
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I have been following your car for a while and I must say I am a little jealous. I am basically tapped out for bolt ons once I get my IM back from porting. Did you have ported heads or was that another member? After I get my IM, catch can and breather it's basically into suspension work for me until after I deploy then I will be able to afford the FI which by then who knows what we will be capable of!

No ported heads for me. GretchenGotGrowl is the member with ported heads.

If you haven't done any suspension, it makes a world of difference. Pfadt springs and sways a great, not to mention brembo brakes.
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No ported heads for me. GretchenGotGrowl is the member with ported heads.

If you haven't done any suspension, it makes a world of difference. Pfadt springs and sways a great, not to mention brembo brakes.
I am still undecided with the lowering, I need a new tunnel brace with my Corsa (it rubs the factory one) and don't want to bottom out on everything (been there done that in my '99). I'm thinking about going with either the Hotchkis or BMR subframe connectors with tunnel brace in conjunction with the Pfadt rear control arm package and see how she does with that.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:34 AM   #24
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On my todo list in carbon fiber glad your close shipping will be me picking it up. Now I have to figure out how to get this pass the wife.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:16 PM   #25
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