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Old 08-17-2012, 03:34 PM   #126
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Most likely a dumb question, but if I am just running bolt on stuff, and maybe one day a small cam, can I just do the gears or do need to do the 1le diff?


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Old 08-17-2012, 03:40 PM   #127
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are the gears worth it? How much would a shop charge to install? Would you do headers or gears first?
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:06 PM   #128
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Has anyone had the chance to confirm the gears will fit an SS carrier....

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post 117 indicates they will fit.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:08 PM   #129
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Most likely a dumb question, but if I am just running bolt on stuff, and maybe one day a small cam, can I just do the gears or do need to do the 1le diff?


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the 1le diff is not available as of yet, but you can install just the gears, which many people are planning to do.

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are the gears worth it? How much would a shop charge to install? Would you do headers or gears first?
yes they are worth it. personally I would do gears first, probably before anything else....but that's me.

install will be around 400 bucks.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:18 PM   #130
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Has anyone had the chance to confirm the gears will fit an SS carrier....

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Old 08-17-2012, 05:22 PM   #131
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Most of that mushy feel comes from the subframe mounts. Our ZL1 uses the same durometer rear subframe bushing as the 2012 V8's as far as we can tell. Honestly if you're going through the hassle of dropping the rear subframe to swap mounts out you should probably do it once, and do it right the first time. Our Solid Subframe Mounts really do make a massive difference in the feedback and performance from the rear end of the car, without significant impact to ride quality. If you move to a stiffer poly replacement for the differential mounts that can definitely run the risk of increasing noise from the differential, but the subframe mounts are pretty quiet and will definitely accomplish what you're looking for.
Do you have to drop the whole rear subframe to do a gear swap? If you do, then putting in the Pfadt bushings at that time would be a really good investment.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:26 PM   #132
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Do you have to drop the whole rear subframe to do a gear swap? If you do, then putting in the Pfadt bushings at that time would be a really good investment.
No matter what I would plan on changing out the rear end bushings while I was there.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #133
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Got a GREAT deal from maureen @ rodgers on the gears. I suggest you all shoot her a pm.
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:18 PM   #134
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post 117 indicates they will fit.
Thanks, I read that post, but did not see that anyone had actually measured up the new gears to confirm the 218mm gear size.

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Old 08-17-2012, 07:24 PM   #135
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Woo hoo ordered my gears today only $264.00. Now just need the install kit
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:35 PM   #136
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Got a GREAT deal from maureen @ rodgers on the gears. I suggest you all shoot her a pm.
Took your advice and shes gonna hook me up next week when they come in. Cam can wait for now.

So besides install kit and bushings what else should one install suck as caps, diff cover,etc?

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Old 08-17-2012, 10:56 PM   #137
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Took your advice and shes gonna hook me up next week when they come in. Cam can wait for now.

So besides install kit and bushings what else should one install suck as caps, diff cover,etc?
That should be all you need that I can think of. Now you just need to decide which brand of bushings you want to go with. Personally I like Pedders of Pfadt....they aren't the cheapest though.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:33 PM   #138
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Thanks, I read that post, but did not see that anyone had actually measured up the new gears to confirm the 218mm gear size.

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They are 218mm. Online parts catalog description includes... 218mm 3.91 ratio 1LE.
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They are 218mm. Online parts catalog description includes... 218mm 3.91 ratio 1LE.
Is this just the gear pieces or the whole pumpkin. Would the 1LE pumpkin fit our SS.
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Most of that mushy feel comes from the subframe mounts. Our ZL1 uses the same durometer rear subframe bushing as the 2012 V8's as far as we can tell. Honestly if you're going through the hassle of dropping the rear subframe to swap mounts out you should probably do it once, and do it right the first time. Our Solid Subframe Mounts really do make a massive difference in the feedback and performance from the rear end of the car, without significant impact to ride quality. If you move to a stiffer poly replacement for the differential mounts that can definitely run the risk of increasing noise from the differential, but the subframe mounts are pretty quiet and will definitely accomplish what you're looking for.
Correction Pfadt, the ZL-1 has stiffer durometer cradle setup than my 2012 ss. Pedders mentioned this months back and I proved this for my self with a ZL-1 on the showroom floor. But the Pfadt cradle bushings would be still superior.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:06 PM   #141
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Is this just the gear pieces or the whole pumpkin. Would the 1LE pumpkin fit our SS.
Just the gears. Not sure that there is anything else different inside the housing. All the info I've seen on the package has talked about the new rear gears and new axles. I haven't seen anything indicating anything else inside the diff case has changed. Yes it would fit, just not sure why you would need the whole thing.
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Just the gears. Not sure that there is anything else different inside the housing. All the info I've seen on the package has talked about the new rear gears and new axles. I haven't seen anything indicating anything else inside the diff case has changed. Yes it would fit, just not sure why you would need the whole thing.
I thought the 1LE had a diff with a diff cooler. This would also be a good upgrade having a cooler diff for road course stuff.
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I thought the 1LE had a diff with a diff cooler. This would also be a good upgrade having a cooler diff for road course stuff.
I haven't seen that. Nobody has actually worked on one yet, probably will know more as they start to get delivered. But the only difference in the rear diff that I can see is the R&P gear. The 1LE case and diff carrier are the same part numbers as the SS w/o 1LE.
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I haven't seen that. Nobody has actually worked on one yet, probably will know more as they start to get delivered. But the only difference in the rear diff that I can see is the R&P gear. The 1LE case and diff carrier are the same part numbers as the SS w/o 1LE.
is there a part number for an assembled diff?
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The complete 1LE differential, case and everything inside it, is 22806794. Retail list price $1821.98.

Then all the parts inside it are available as individual service parts.
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The complete 1LE differential, case and everything inside it, is 22806794. Retail list price $1821.98.

Then all the parts inside it are available as individual service parts.
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The complete 1LE differential, case and everything inside it, is 22806794. Retail list price $1821.98.

Then all the parts inside it are available as individual service parts.
Awesome, looks around $1300 to my door. Since you don't have to pay a core, that's a really good price.
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Awesome, looks around $1300 to my door. Since you don't have to pay a core, that's a really good price.
Wouldn't someone just need the gears? Just curious about the interest in the whole rear for an SS. I'm doing the 3.91s soon, want to make sure I'm not missing something. So far my plan is just the gears, axles, hubs, pinion crush sleeve and shim kit.

I'm also trying to figure out what if anything is different about the 1LE driveshaft. Possibly the bolts?
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Wouldn't someone just need the gears? Just curious about the interest in the whole rear for an SS. I'm doing the 3.91s soon, want to make sure I'm not missing something. So far my plan is just the gears, axles, hubs, pinion crush sleeve and shim kit.

I'm also trying to figure out what if anything is different about the 1LE driveshaft. Possibly the bolts?

Well, it's $400 for gears + install kit, and probably 300 more for installation.

So $700.

Or you can get a factory pre-setup rear for ~$1300-1500, and sell your old one for $700.

So $700.

It's the same actual cost, either way.
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