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Old 07-24-2012, 03:05 AM   #1
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Unhappy Keep JRE tune or get it Dyno tuned?

I'm not completely satisfied with my Camaros performance I feel like there's a lot left in it. I have full bolt ons, JRE 470 cam, ProTorque 2800 stall and Teds SCT tune.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:24 AM   #2
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ted will be able to tune remotely better then some dyno tunes. first it depends on who your tuner is.

second, why do you feel like its not right.

also maybe you could contact ted maybe he can make sure everything is right with tune.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:33 AM   #3
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I will be data logging once again just to make sure. It's not that I don't feel its right I just feel like there's more that could be done. I went to the drag strip recently and just did .02 better than last time. I added the cam and stall since then.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:34 AM   #4
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I'm not completely satisfied with my Camaros performance I feel like there's a lot left in it. I have full bolt ons, JRE 470 cam, ProTorque 2800 stall and Teds SCT tune.
Here is what i would do

Call and talk with Ted
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improved without a dyno visit

Ted gets 50$ for additional tune adjustments, i would maybe go this
Route once twice if my concerns improved significantly

But being a few short 2 hr drive from jre
I would schedule some dyno time and throw the 100 from above towards the dyno time

But call Ted to discuss youre issues with the cars performance 1st

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Old 07-24-2012, 07:02 AM   #5
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I will be data logging once again just to make sure. It's not that I don't feel its right I just feel like there's more that could be done. I went to the drag strip recently and just did .02 better than last time. I added the cam and stall since then.
Ted has always gone above and beyond for me. I would try him first since he has some history with your car.

Did you see much change in mph in the quarter mile? Often times the et suffers from poor traction, but mph can tell you more about the overall power increase.

Also, forgive my ignorance, are you saying you added the cam & stall & JRE tune then gained .02 in the quarter mile? Can you post the best two tickets?
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:25 AM   #6
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Simple answer is your car is making higher HP @ a higher RPM band.....so, if you are not taking advantage of the higher RPM band (launching, shifting, etc) where the power is, you will not like the results.....
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:31 AM   #7
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I would also recommend (as others) a dyno tune to assure HP/TQ#'s are valid & the motor specs are OK!
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:47 AM   #8
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Nothing like a custom dyno tune...sorry folks.

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Old 07-24-2012, 10:11 AM   #9
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I'm not completely satisfied with my Camaros performance I feel like there's a lot left in it. I have full bolt ons, JRE 470 cam, ProTorque 2800 stall and Teds SCT tune.
I'm sure ted has dyno tunes a lot of cars with your same set up. The heat right now and/ or poor track is a heart breaker for people looking for good times.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:25 PM   #11
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Ted has always gone above and beyond for me. I would try him first since he has some history with your car.

Did you see much change in mph in the quarter mile? Often times the et suffers from poor traction, but mph can tell you more about the overall power increase.

Also, forgive my ignorance, are you saying you added the cam & stall & JRE tune then gained .02 in the quarter mile? Can you post the best two tickets?
I got 4 mph gain on the 1/4 and 9 mph on the 1/8

Yes that is correct I only gained .02 when I added the cam and stall.
I don't know how to post pictures from my phone

Oh and my MPG really took a hit
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If you got the MPH info correct, you picked up 130+ hp in the 1/8th based on MPH
Then something happens and power falls off.
What was the 1/8th ET gain?
It would be really interesting to see the ticket incremental times of the comparison runs.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:02 PM   #13
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1/8 got worse actually...
Bolt ons was
60-2.015_1/8-8.460 at 85.64_1/4-12.991 at 108.68
Cam and stall is
60-2.263_1/8-8.597 at 94.33_1/4-12.976 at 112.54
60-2.187_1/8-8.597 at 92.79_1/4-12.979 at 112.81
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:05 PM   #14
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Looks like you lost some traction.
Stock tires?
Your making more power by looking at the mph.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:33 PM   #15
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I gotta agree with the above. It looks like to me that your car is performing like it should and your issue is you can't get it to the ground. What tire set up are you using and have you done any suspension work? You can do all the engine work you want but unless you have the proper tires and suspension, your times wont improve a whole lot.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:15 PM   #16
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Definately get some stickier tires back there as mentioned above, with that 1/8th mph that should put you in the 12.3 range +-
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I don't understand the big mph gain in the 1/8 and it drops off in the 1/4
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:44 PM   #18
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1/8 got worse actually...
Bolt ons was
60-2.015_1/8-8.460 at 85.64_1/4-12.991 at 108.68
Cam and stall is
60-2.263_1/8-8.597 at 94.33_1/4-12.976 at 112.54
60-2.187_1/8-8.597 at 92.79_1/4-12.979 at 112.81
2.015 vs 2.187 certainly looks like spin to me.

Assuming it's the same tire, wheel, suspension and you stage the same as earlier, when you learn to match your earlier 60 you will pick up that much and probably more at each increment. Try lower air pressure in the rears. You might see some benefit from rear tire alignment (drag specs)

I really think you are ready for better tires and upgraded axles. In the meantime, you need to back off the launch rpms. That new stall converter is bringing power on very quickly at launch and you're spinning very easily now. And from my experience, 1-2 and 2-3 shifts spin as well.

What is your traction control set to?
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:49 PM   #19
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I'm not completely satisfied with my Camaros performance I feel like there's a lot left in it. I have full bolt ons, JRE 470 cam, ProTorque 2800 stall and Teds SCT tune.
Hello DarkCry956, Without your name I don't know who you are so this is the first step in addressing your complaint.

You picked up 4 mph so that shows an increase in Horsepower.

Your 60ft is worse which shows an increase in hp and resulting loss in traction.

Yes you can Go Slower with More power on Street tires.

1/10 in the 60ft. change results in 2 -3/10s on your quarter mile ET Better or Worse.

Your showing 2 1/10s slower in the 60 ft but making up ground through the middle due to the additional power.

I don't remember seeing any 1/4 mile run Logs from an L99 from Texas recently and these are always a Huge advantage and help for me to dial in your car.

Posting your complete set up is also helpful along with Octane.

Drag radials is how you will take advantage of all the added power.

This is where your biggest gains will come from Not necessarily tuning.

I stand behind everything I do 100% so Send me some 1/4 mile Logs and let me have a look, if there is any room for improvement you can bet your bottom dollar I will take care of it.

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Ted is a stand up guy for sure! Its best to stand behind your work so that you don't get run over.LOL
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1/8 got worse actually...
Bolt ons was
60-2.015_1/8-8.460 at 85.64_1/4-12.991 at 108.68
Cam and stall is
60-2.263_1/8-8.597 at 94.33_1/4-12.976 at 112.54
60-2.187_1/8-8.597 at 92.79_1/4-12.979 at 112.81
Your bolt-on time is pretty close to what I managed. My best was 13.02 @ 109 mph, in about 2900 DA. My 60 ft time was really close to yours, too.

Your MPH went up, so that's a good thing. Ted should be able to get you taken care of. Man, if I was only 2 hours away from JRE, I'd be in some serious trouble. I don't think I could resist the urge to get a cam or blower
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I read this and totally agree with Ted. Your car is showing more power and by looking at your 60 ft. times and your MPH in the mid-range I would say that you have picked up a good amount of power! For every tenth of a second you gain at the 60 ft. you will see a good 2 tenths at the end and the large increase of 10 MPH at the middle shows your are making better HP and TQ low and into the mid-range of your RPM. Another think you must take into consideration is what the temp and humidity was on the two days that you are comparing your ET's to. If the weather was much hotter on your run "after" the cam, converter and tune compared to the runs you made before the mods, that can be your difference in the ET!!! My car made 4-5 tenths quicker in the quarter after my same mod as you but when I was at the track the last time my car was running 4 tenths slower due to the 90 degree and high humidity!!! I run 11.9's on the right day and 12.3's on a hot day! Plus, your 60 ft. times show that you are spinning more now than when you were "stock". Get some good drag radials, run them at 20 psi at the track and go on a day that the weather is better and you will be surprised!!!
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So I'm pretty set on getting a Dyno tune and not have to go through the trouble of datalogging. I will get a dyno with Teds tune prior to changing anything.
If I see no gains after the dyno I'll set it back to Teds tune (assuming its ok) to start datalogging.

I'm sure Ted is more than willing to look over the datalogs but I had a lot of trouble getting the online software to work and reading the PIDs. I just don't want to go through that again. Nothing to do with Ted it was problems SCT was or is having with some camaros for some reason not all. Ted has always answered my questions and as I keep modding I'd still purchase from him.
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So I'm pretty set on getting a Dyno tune and not have to go through the trouble of datalogging. I will get a dyno with Teds tune prior to changing anything.
If I see no gains after the dyno I'll set it back to Teds tune (assuming its ok) to start datalogging.

I'm sure Ted is more than willing to look over the datalogs but I had a lot of trouble getting the online software to work and reading the PIDs. I just don't want to go through that again. Nothing to do with Ted it was problems SCT was or is having with some camaros for some reason not all. Ted has always answered my questions and as I keep modding I'd still purchase from him.
ya i agree. its much easier on the customer for a dyno tune. i had the option of doing the Ted route. but i didnt want to do logging BS. only reason why i would go with data logging is if i had to. if there was nobody local that is good.
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So I'm pretty set on getting a Dyno tune and not have to go through the trouble of datalogging. I will get a dyno with Teds tune prior to changing anything.
If I see no gains after the dyno I'll set it back to Teds tune (assuming its ok) to start datalogging.

I'm sure Ted is more than willing to look over the datalogs but I had a lot of trouble getting the online software to work and reading the PIDs. I just don't want to go through that again. Nothing to do with Ted it was problems SCT was or is having with some camaros for some reason not all. Ted has always answered my questions and as I keep modding I'd still purchase from him.
I would still like the opportunity to look over your tune file but I need your name
Please Email me.

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