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The_Grinch · 07-24-2012, 01:42 PM

Ok, I am a big fan of all the information that I read here on the the Forced Induction thread. But I want to start up a conversation with you all about the best course of action on my upgrading my LLT.

1. I don't have unlimited funds. So the best use of money should be considered.

2. I don't want a system that sacrifices performace for relyability.

3. I want more than Stock L99 power.

So guys I know people in Hell want ice water too but what do you guys think of my plan.

Mace Cam shafts $1500.00 ,

with an RX Supercharger $7000.00,

Long Tube headers. $600.00

Update to my Trifecta $100 - $200

Install cost. My best guess $3000.00

Total $ 12,300.00

Damn, that turned out bigger than I thought.

So are there any misteps in this plan?

matt6589 · 07-24-2012, 01:47 PM

Ya you will probably need some suspension upgrades as well to handle all that extra power

V6owner · 07-24-2012, 01:54 PM

11,300 sounds like endless funds lol

Cams. We are not certain if FI + cams is to much

Other then cams I have the rest on your list and ran a 13.12 in the 1/4 mile if that helps sir

My "to do" list still includes:
1. LSD diff with 3.45 gears
2. Front/ rear sways w/ end links
3. Toe rodes
4. Cradle bushings

Sikoriko · 07-24-2012, 02:02 PM

what are you planning on doing with the car? racing?

Sikoriko · 07-24-2012, 02:04 PM

I think you get a tune with the RX supercharger. or maybe a upgraded tune?

The_Grinch · 07-24-2012, 02:33 PM

I already have a Trifecta tune, so maybe there would be a price brake instead of an additional cost.

I do not plan on racing, but random displays of horsepower is not out of the question.

I felt that the Cam's would be a great starting point, good HP gains for the money, and then, a upgrade to the RX supercharger once the High pressure fuel pump issues is ironed out would be next. I would hope the two together cams and SC would have gains simular to the twin turbo setup.

BaylorCamaro · 07-24-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by V6owner

11,300 sounds like endless funds lol

I thought this was going to be one of the "I want to be fast than an SS and have $1,000" thread. Honestly I'd ditch the cams unless you really want the extra power/sound. The stock pulley can keep up with a stock SS and the OD pulley with a meth kit will likely be able to easily take an SS (drivers being equal).

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Originally Posted by The_Grinch

I already have a Trifecta tune, so maybe there would be a price brake instead of an additional cost.

Should take a little out of the price if you already have Trifecta.

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Originally Posted by The_Grinch

I do not plan on racing, but random displays of horsepower is not out of the question.

Can't_C_Me · 07-24-2012, 03:34 PM

Mace has already stated that their cam's will be compatible with turbo's. So I'm guessing SC's will be almost the same. They will also offer custom grinds for specific builds and needs. So an extra 50-70rwhp can be had, but the HPFP or Meth will have to be a must. Also don't forget that Tracy is restarting his cam project again. I was going to get a MACE cam and have Tracy install it. But I'll wait for his!

SC2150 · 07-24-2012, 03:39 PM

Yes we deduct a portion if you already have the trifecta cable, and the only real extras you would want would be the iceolator and the CNC ported VMax TB so your still looking at app $7k for all you need to run quicker than a L99. Rear diff/axles/hubs upgrade adds a bit, and then the stall converter as well.

GretchenGotGrowl · 07-24-2012, 03:40 PM

With CAMs now available I think you can get to SS performance via either NA or FI routes. Either way you will probably want to do some suspension and tire upgrades.

For NA do the CAMs and all the bolt ons.

For FI on a street car then SC or turbo would be the route. SC will not have the low-end power that turbo does and both shouldn't affect mileage very much.

LIM3 · 07-24-2012, 03:50 PM

Any one thinks a brake upgrade is needed ?

BaylorCamaro · 07-24-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

and both shouldn't affect mileage very much.

I'm running a little experiment right now to see what my mpg is. I drive 22 miles round trip every day for work. I just got gas not too long ago and reset my est. mpg and trip. Currently at 17.2 mpg, but this is driving conservative. All of the driving is 100% city driving and probably about 8-10 stop lights. I'm pretty surprised considering stock it's esitmated at 18 mpg city.

scrming · 07-24-2012, 03:53 PM

$2,000 for labor for all of that might not cover it... depending on what route you go... it could be $2,000 for cams alone.... Cams are going to be very labor intensive...

BaylorCamaro · 07-24-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LIM3

Any one thinks a brake upgrade is needed ?

I don't think it is NEEDED. However I would highly suggest it. I've had the front brembo set for two years now and it was an amazing upgrade and I'm sure glad I did it now that I'm super charged.

KMPrenger · 07-24-2012, 04:09 PM

All I have to say is that I pray somebody here does an all out N/A build. I'm talking cams, LT headers, ported intake manifold, manifold insulator, and of course cold air intake/tune/exhaust. Maybe even port the heads since you'll be into them anyways.

I think this could make for some hella competition with an L99.

I want to see this so bad lol.

BaylorCamaro · 07-24-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I want to see this so bad lol.

Me too, honestly I prefer a N/A motor. If I had cam options a month or two ago I probably would have held off of the super charger..

Sikoriko · 07-24-2012, 04:25 PM

can't leave out "scrming's" ricer math. that would bee free

scrming · 07-24-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sikoriko

can't leave out "scrming's" ricer math. that would bee free

Even ricer math can't keep up with Labor calculations!!! I think the they have super special calculators to figure that out! LOL

GretchenGotGrowl · 07-24-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming

Even ricer math can't keep up with Labor calculations!!! I think the they have super special calculators to figure that out! LOL

In units of "Boat Payments"!

Mach · 07-24-2012, 05:08 PM

OP.. Honestly for 11k you can easily trade up to a SS and still have play money left over. Just get an SS.

Can't_C_Me · 07-24-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach

OP.. Honestly for 11k you can easily trade up to a SS and still have play money left over. Just get an SS.

This won't be suitable for everyone. You'll need headers, tune, and cam's to get in the upper 400rwhp. A nice cam would run atleast 2k.

The_Grinch · 07-24-2012, 05:44 PM

Ok, I would upgrade to an SS but for a couple things, I love my car. I want to make it better and not git rid of it.

Even if I did get an SS, I would probably be doing the same thing to it. If it was a matter of getting a fast car I could get a pretty fast used car cheaper than the upgrades to this car.

I do not suffer from SS envy, now if I could wave a magic wand and poof my car is a SS I would not complain. I do suffer from a great deal of RS envy, would love to add all the RS elements to my car.

Fortunately I already have the Black Isolator, and Vmax ported TB. I have a Catch Can but I would need to swap it out for the FI version. Don't need a stall converter as I have a manual, but perhaps a clutch upgrade. Not sure how the current stock clutch will hold up to a power increase of this proportion.

LIM3 · 07-24-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

All I have to say is that I pray somebody here does an all out N/A build. I'm talking cams, LT headers, ported intake manifold, manifold insulator, and of course cold air intake/tune/exhaust. Maybe even port the heads since you'll be into them anyways.

I think this could make for some hella competition with an L99.

I want to see this so bad lol.

those are my plans man. but i want to finish my exterior first.
i dont see the need to go FI with all those mods that should be plenty power for me IMO . what do you think the RWHP would be with everything ?

blackTT600 · 07-24-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LIM3

those are my plans man. but i want to finish my exterior first.
i dont see the need to go FI with all those mods that should be plenty power for me IMO . what do you think the RWHP would be with everything ?

Man I dont know if you did the heads while you were in there, pshh like 360-380 wrhp but to be one hundred percent honest I think you might get more.
thats boosted power! now add a supper charger on to that! bam! 500+ easy!

The_Grinch · 07-24-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackTT600

Man I dont know if you did the heads while you were in there, pshh like 360-380 wrhp but to be one hundred percent honest I think you might get more.
thats boosted power! now add a supper charger on to that! bam! 500+ easy!

I could not follow your numbers here. Or was this an attempt at humor?

07-24-2012, 01:42 PM	#1
The_Grinch Drives: 2010 Synergy Green 1LT S.E. Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Waterloo, Iowa Posts: 88	LLT Upgrade Battle plans Ok, I am a big fan of all the information that I read here on the the Forced Induction thread. But I want to start up a conversation with you all about the best course of action on my upgrading my LLT. 1. I don't have unlimited funds. So the best use of money should be considered. 2. I don't want a system that sacrifices performace for relyability. 3. I want more than Stock L99 power. So guys I know people in Hell want ice water too but what do you guys think of my plan. Mace Cam shafts $1500.00 , with an RX Supercharger $7000.00, Long Tube headers. $600.00 Update to my Trifecta $100 - $200 Install cost. My best guess $3000.00 Total $ 12,300.00 Damn, that turned out bigger than I thought. So are there any misteps in this plan? Last edited by The_Grinch; 07-25-2012 at 05:36 AM.

07-24-2012, 01:54 PM	#3
V6owner I'm slow, lets race! Drives: Rx Supercharged V6 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Rosenberg, TX Posts: 1,913 View My Garage	11,300 sounds like endless funds lol Cams. We are not certain if FI + cams is to much Other then cams I have the rest on your list and ran a 13.12 in the 1/4 mile if that helps sir My "to do" list still includes: 1. LSD diff with 3.45 gears 2. Front/ rear sways w/ end links 3. Toe rodes 4. Cradle bushings __________________ 2010 Camaro LLT SOLD 2012 Silverado 6.2L CURRENT

07-24-2012, 03:34 PM	#8
Can't_C_Me Don't Sleep on My V6 Drives: 2011 SIM 1LT M6 TT/ 2001 Malibu GTP Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norcross, GA Posts: 3,092 View My Garage	Mace has already stated that their cam's will be compatible with turbo's. So I'm guessing SC's will be almost the same. They will also offer custom grinds for specific builds and needs. So an extra 50-70rwhp can be had, but the HPFP or Meth will have to be a must. Also don't forget that Tracy is restarting his cam project again. I was going to get a MACE cam and have Tracy install it. But I'll wait for his! __________________

07-24-2012, 03:39 PM	#9
SC2150 Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 8,057	Yes we deduct a portion if you already have the trifecta cable, and the only real extras you would want would be the iceolator and the CNC ported VMax TB so your still looking at app $7k for all you need to run quicker than a L99. Rear diff/axles/hubs upgrade adds a bit, and then the stall converter as well. __________________ www.RevXtreme.com 941-721-1826 Turbo & Supercharging specialist VMax porting development from the begining RX Super Chiller

07-24-2012, 03:40 PM	#10
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 2012 LFX/2011 EcoBoost F-150 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 3,843 View My Garage	With CAMs now available I think you can get to SS performance via either NA or FI routes. Either way you will probably want to do some suspension and tire upgrades. For NA do the CAMs and all the bolt ons. For FI on a street car then SC or turbo would be the route. SC will not have the low-end power that turbo does and both shouldn't affect mileage very much. __________________ EFR Twin Turbo LFX-GPI Tune-ZL1 fuel pump-10:1 CR forged pistons-3.45 gear-Meth Injection-BMR Trailing Arms, Bushings & Sway Bars-Drag Radials-CircleD 4000 Stall-GPI Fuel Enrichment System 586 RWHP & 606 RWTQ @20 psi on 93 Octane (unlocked converter) 1/8 mile -- 7.158 @ 102.10 (20psi) Build Thread

07-24-2012, 01:47 PM	#2
matt6589 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: CA Posts: 103	Ya you will probably need some suspension upgrades as well to handle all that extra power

07-24-2012, 02:02 PM	#4
Sikoriko Drives: IPF SC V6 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 679 View My Garage	what are you planning on doing with the car? racing?

07-24-2012, 02:04 PM	#5
Sikoriko Drives: IPF SC V6 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 679 View My Garage	I think you get a tune with the RX supercharger. or maybe a upgraded tune?

07-24-2012, 02:33 PM	#6
The_Grinch Drives: 2010 Synergy Green 1LT S.E. Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Waterloo, Iowa Posts: 88	I already have a Trifecta tune, so maybe there would be a price brake instead of an additional cost. I do not plan on racing, but random displays of horsepower is not out of the question. I felt that the Cam's would be a great starting point, good HP gains for the money, and then, a upgrade to the RX supercharger once the High pressure fuel pump issues is ironed out would be next. I would hope the two together cams and SC would have gains simular to the twin turbo setup.

07-24-2012, 03:50 PM	#11
LIM3 it's mind bottling.. Drives: a visually loud in color camaro Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Best place on earth Posts: 3,905	Any one thinks a brake upgrade is needed ? __________________

07-24-2012, 03:53 PM	#13
scrming Red Brick of Vengeance! Drives: 12 Second Brick Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: at my pulpit Posts: 7,490	$2,000 for labor for all of that might not cover it... depending on what route you go... it could be $2,000 for cams alone.... Cams are going to be very labor intensive... __________________ 2013 MRT Laguna ST - 249 WHP & 339 WTQ 2011 Ford Flex EcoBoost Limited - 12.727 @ 109.790 MPH

07-24-2012, 04:09 PM	#15
KMPrenger Drives: '10 ABM LT/RS, 01 Ford Ranger Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 6,973	All I have to say is that I pray somebody here does an all out N/A build. I'm talking cams, LT headers, ported intake manifold, manifold insulator, and of course cold air intake/tune/exhaust. Maybe even port the heads since you'll be into them anyways. I think this could make for some hella competition with an L99. I want to see this so bad lol. __________________ Shes ALL MINE! - 8/24/2009 2G1FB1EV2A9133373 Custom Magnaflow Exhaust, Vararam intake, MACE Ported Intake Manifold, RX Ported TB, RX "Black Ice" manifold insulator, Mike Norris Catch Can, DRL Harness, Heritage grill, Street Scene lower grill, NLP Spoiler, ZL1 rockers, Switchblade silver interior, Defenderworx sills, and more!

07-24-2012, 04:25 PM	#17
Sikoriko Drives: IPF SC V6 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 679 View My Garage	can't leave out "scrming's" ricer math. that would bee free

07-24-2012, 05:08 PM	#20
Mach Drives: White M6 1LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 1,666	OP.. Honestly for 11k you can easily trade up to a SS and still have play money left over. Just get an SS. __________________ Pfadt Sway Bars - FE3 Suspension - Barton Shifter - IdealG's Clutch Master Cylinder - Trifecta - Vmax TB - Vararam Intake - MACE 25mm Insulator - Plenum Insulator - Ported/Gasket Matched Intake Manifold - Rx Catchcan - AAC DRL's - 4 Pack Aux Gauges - Steering Controls - AAC Afterburners - DIY Led Sidemarkers - ZL1 Front End Next mod: Done!

07-24-2012, 05:44 PM	#22
The_Grinch Drives: 2010 Synergy Green 1LT S.E. Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Waterloo, Iowa Posts: 88	Ok, I would upgrade to an SS but for a couple things, I love my car. I want to make it better and not git rid of it. Even if I did get an SS, I would probably be doing the same thing to it. If it was a matter of getting a fast car I could get a pretty fast used car cheaper than the upgrades to this car. I do not suffer from SS envy, now if I could wave a magic wand and poof my car is a SS I would not complain. I do suffer from a great deal of RS envy, would love to add all the RS elements to my car. Fortunately I already have the Black Isolator, and Vmax ported TB. I have a Catch Can but I would need to swap it out for the FI version. Don't need a stall converter as I have a manual, but perhaps a clutch upgrade. Not sure how the current stock clutch will hold up to a power increase of this proportion.