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Old 05-23-2009, 12:27 AM   #1
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Disappointed in the Camaro - May get G8

Ok so don't anyone get upset !!! I think the Camaro is the coolest car to come down the pike in a long time. But I wanted to express the way I feel about the car right now. I am interested in getting something new, and not sure what to get. I have seen the Camaro but have not driven one yet. With that in mind......

I don't want to get too "practical", but I keep wishing that they had made the windows a bit taller and provided a bit more visibility at the pillars. I don't mean a big change where the total looks would be ruined. Everyone keeps saying that you get used to it... but it comes up so much in reviews that I know it is a problem. Ditto with the mirror blocking your view. Not being able to see is more than a minor annoyance. Seeing is sort of a requirement. Again, maybe after I drive one, I will change my mind.

The V6 automatic should have limited slip. What were they thinking? It's so much better in the winter.

HID's should be a separate option, so that ur not stuck with the RS rims with those expensive non-matched tires.

All V8's should be LS3's. If you don't want/know how to drive the stick then you are stuck with the AFM which is generally accepted as not being the preferred engine.

I don't like the frameless windows with window indexing. Too much to go wrong. Give us a frame around the window, it's a sturdier setup.

It would be nice to be able to delete the leather on a 2LT or 2SS. If I remember, if you try to build a 1SS with all the other features of a 2SS, it comes out almost the same price.

So on to the G8. With the G8 you get basically the same chassis. I was pricing out a GT model which has the 361 HP V8. (AFM) You can get same-sized tires. Limited slip. auto a/c. 0-60 in 5.3 sec. Windows with frames. If you price out a loaded GT, it comes in about the same or less as a loaded 2LT camaro. And that is before you get a discount off MSRP. And no worry about markup over sticker price. All in all a better value dollar for dollar.

Yes, it doesn't have the looks of the Camaro. Pontiac is going away. But I don't think parts will be a problem unless you are keeping it 10+ years.
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I can really appreciate your thoughts. Sounds like you would be better suited for a crossover or minivan.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:33 AM   #3
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I can really appreciate your thoughts. Sounds like you would be better suited for a crossover or minivan.
No, I just want a sporty car that is comfortable to drive and has the options I want.
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The frameless windows have my attention as well. You know there is going to be a lot of wind noise at higher speeds.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:39 AM   #6
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Well i have driven the new Camaro and i will say that the visibilty wasn't as bad i thought it would be, yes it is alittle hard to see, but that's what mirrors are for. Everyone wants hid lights without paying for the rs option, they will be avail in aftermarket soon. You also mention the frameless windows, all
Camaros have frame less windows, if they were framed the car would look horrible. The G8 is a great car and great value for someone that would like performance but more comfort than the Camaro can offer. Buy what fits you best, don't listen to anyone but yourself or you will be disapointed and if you decide on the G8, that will be one more Camaro avail for the guys that can't get one.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:40 AM   #7
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there are blinds spots in any car, unless its a vert... people are just giving feedback.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:42 AM   #8
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I can really appreciate your thoughts. Sounds like you would be better suited for a crossover or minivan.
for real or a scion tc... lol
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:43 AM   #9
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I can really appreciate your thoughts. Sounds like you would be better suited for a crossover or minivan.
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Well i have driven the new Camaro and i will say that the visibilty wasn't as bad i thought it would be, yes it is alittle hard to see, but that's what mirrors are for. Everyone wants hid lights without paying for the rs option, they will be avail in aftermarket soon. You also mention the frameless windows, all
Camaros have frame less windows, if they were framed the car would look horrible. The G8 is a great car and great value for someone that would like performance but more comfort than the Camaro can offer. Buy what fits you best, don't listen to anyone but yourself or you will be disapointed and if you decide on the G8, that will be one more Camaro avail for the guys that can't get one.

listening to other people is the only reason the camaro is being made. yeah listen to other people just dont accept everything you hear.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:44 AM   #10
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Get ready for the bashing
That's ok I can take it. When evaluating the car, at some point you have to get beyond the fact that it looks good and everyone is going to go gaga over it. You have to think about the everyday driving experience. And if I can't see if a car is next to me, then that is not a good experience.

Please don't tell me to adjust the mirrors. I've used mirrors in the past, and then when I looked over my shoulder there was a car right next to me. The general rule is that you have to turn and look. If you only use the mirrors you are going to hit someone.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:44 AM   #11
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lol about the minivan comment, anyways just get what you will be happy with.......on another note, frames around the windows are hideous, especially on a 2 door! in order to get this car as close as possible to concept they wanted to keep the roof as low as possible........this car is a looker and too achieve that "look" there are just some things that we will just have to deal with but i think in the end those inconviences are worth the looks achieved on this car.
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The G8GT is a really nice car, but the combination of more weight and "only" 360 HP make it a significant bit slower than even the L99/auto Camaro. The G8 needs to have the full-power LS3 (or L99) on the G8GT model. The G8GXP model is nice, but is just too expensive for a Pontiac.

I agree that I don't like "window indexing" on any car. Either do framed windows like on the GTO, or just do frameless the traditional way like on the 4th gen cars. Window indexing is just going to be a maintenance headache.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:49 AM   #13
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Teleplayer, i'm not telling you to adjust mirrors, im just saying that in some cars you have to use mirrors. but really take a test drive in this car before you decide, i really thought it was going to be hard to see and I didnt have a problem seeing, and i don't use mirrors much at all
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The frameless windows have my attention as well. You know there is going to be a lot of wind noise at higher speeds.
No there wont be, this technology is not new. Been around for years, i have been "high speeds" in a BMW with indexing windows, and even in a mustang and there is no wind noise.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:59 AM   #16
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The frameless windows have my attention as well. You know there is going to be a lot of wind noise at higher speeds.
wrong!!! car is quiet as possible at 142!!
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:01 AM   #17
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Teleplayer, i'm not telling you to adjust mirrors, im just saying that in some cars you have to use mirrors. but really take a test drive in this car before you decide, i really thought it was going to be hard to see and I didnt have a problem seeing, and i don't use mirrors much at all
Thanks for your input. I love this forum, there is so much information here. And I love the funny comments too, keep them coming. If I could only find a minivan with an LS3........
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No there wont be, this technology is not new. Been around for years, i have been "high speeds" in a BMW with indexing windows, and even in a mustang and there is no wind noise.
I have first hand experience with BMW indexing windows becuase I have one with them. Windows up and windows down at high speeds no wind noise.
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Thanks for your input. I love this forum, there is so much information here. And I love the funny comments too, keep them coming. If I could only find a minivan with an LS3........
You might have a marketable item there with the LS3 powered minivan.
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The G8GT is a really nice car, but the combination of more weight and "only" 360 HP make it a significant bit slower than even the L99/auto Camaro. The G8 needs to have the full-power LS3 (or L99) on the G8GT model. The G8GXP model is nice, but is just too expensive for a Pontiac.

I agree that I don't like "window indexing" on any car. Either do framed windows like on the GTO, or just do frameless the traditional way like on the 4th gen cars. Window indexing is just going to be a maintenance headache.
My point was that I can get a G8GT for the same price as a 2LT and it's going to be faster than the 6 cyl. (I'm partial to the 2LT vs SS)
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My point was that I can get a G8GT for the same price as a 2LT and it's going to be faster than the 6 cyl. (I'm partial to the 2LT vs SS)
If you like the car get. Sounds like a good deal to me
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I think your making too big of a deal of some of this stuff than it really is. You should test drive before you make your final decision. Look at the cars I drive... talk about bad outward visibility. You actually do get used to it. Or.. better said- you start to become more aware of what is around you. I mean, the S2k with the rag up- there isn't even a point in looking, you can only see directly to the sides, no visibility to the rear quarters at all. The Z is a lot better, possibly worse than the Camaro though. You'll learn to speed up or slow down a little to check the blind spots if a car you saw earlier seems to have disappeared. Here in CenTex people have a habit of staying in your blind spots...

As far as the window indexing, my Z has that too. It's a great feature and greatly reduces wind noise. Most reviewers commented on how little wind noise there was in the Camaro.

I do agree though that the leather and HIDs should be optioned individually, but that's just not the reality for the current automotive market (or retail market for that matter). They know these are features that some people think they have to get, so they but them in packages to 'justifiably' stick you for a little more $$$.

It looks like GM views the limited slip as a performance item more than a safety item (can't blame them for that considering traction control) so they delete it from the trim that will have the least 'enthusiast' buyers in order to save a few bucks.

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I just want to point out that there's nothing wrong with going with the G8 and for some (most) people it is a better alternative to the Camaro. It just seems like you really like the Camaro so I think you should give it a test drive to see for yourself before you completely write it off.

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You chose a G8, not hating, at least it wasn't a mustang or foreign car.
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While the G8 and Camaro share many suspension pieces and have been developed by the same engineering team. Having said that they are very different cars and should be. The Camaro is designed to make several statements in a very dramatic way. As a result it may not be for everyone. I love the G8 and that is the only other car I would consider. If you can't live the design characteristics and options availible then by all means you should look elsewhere. G8 is a great car, buy one while you can.

Finally most of your techinical statements about the Camaro are a bit simplistic. GM needed to use both the L99 and LS3 to avoid the very expensive gas guzzler tax. Of course the G8 uses the same technology of the L99 so not sure how the G8 is superior in this area. In terms of limited slip dif. Clearly limited slip difs are superior but GM aimed at a certain price point for the V6 powered cars and that is why you don't get the same exact options on a V6 car as an SS. Most folks are very happy to be able to get an RS option with a V6 car rather than having to spring for the SS. What you see as flaws many of us would see as strengths.
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So on to the G8. With the G8 you get basically the same chassis. I was pricing out a GT model which has the 361 HP V8. (AFM) You can get same-sized tires. Limited slip. auto a/c. 0-60 in 5.3 sec. Windows with frames. If you price out a loaded GT, it comes in about the same or less as a loaded 2LT camaro. And that is before you get a discount off MSRP. And no worry about markup over sticker price. All in all a better value dollar for dollar.
I was just wondering how you came up with these prices. The last time I checked a loaded a loaded GT was in the 33-35k range and a 2LT Camaro is only around 28-29k. Yeah I realize their are numerous discounts on the G8 which may put it at or slightly below the camaro, but you are stuck with an auto sedan that get worse mileage than the better looking camaro coupe. I would also consider resale value as the camaro should hold its value well if not modded out and you keep the miles reasonable, while the G8's resale will most likely tank now.
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