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Old 05-23-2009, 11:13 AM   #1
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July 2009 C&D: Mustang 209 pts, Camaro SS 193, Challenger SRT8 190

Just got the July 2009 print version of Car & Driver. (Put a summary of below in "review compilation.")

Update: found review online

Mustang 1st -- 209 pts -- lighter and tighter in every way, good visibility, engine sound

Camaro SS 2nd -- 193 pts -- like acceleration and grip, inventive interior; dislike angry appearance, tiny, trunk, hard seats, and "nose-deep-in-a-hole feeling" (high beltline)

Challenger R/T (correction, not the SRT8 as I originally posted) 3rd -- 190 pts -- too heavy, awful tires

The Camaro was only a tenth quickere to 60, 4.8 vs. 4.9. In the "street start," it was 0.3 quicker, 5.2 vs. 5.5.

Scoring gave one-point edges to the Mustang in handing and steering feel, and 24 to 21 in "fun to drive."

Even in "gotta have it," which they usually use to tilt the outcome, the Mustang was given an extra point. Is there stronger public demand for the revised Mustang than for the new Camaro?

On the Mustang's steering: "it's fast, direct, and though still a bit isolated, far more naturally weighted than that of the other two." I've personally felt that steering is GM's weak point for at least a decade, but they have been getting better.

In the same issue, they also place the Corvette fourth (and last) behind the Audi TTS, BMW Z4, and Porsche Boxster S, calling it "a sledgehammer among ice picks." Apparently they're throwing no bones to GM this month.

Just remember: the car you like the best is the best car for you, what reviewers think should just provide guidelines for you own test drive...
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:19 AM   #2
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Damnit! My car is in transit and now, after reading C&D reweiw, I am canceling.
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:30 AM   #3
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It is always amazing how the writers for magazines choose to give their opinion on styling and "gotta have it factor". I only care about objective performance and handling characteristics. There opinion on what is or is not cool isn't at all meaningful. They spend all that time driving and measuring performance and then they tilt the table and put weight for scoring on what they like. All of the major magazines cover the same cars and are owned by the same publisher so take it for what it is, some other guys opinion.
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:34 AM   #4
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payola...lol but seriously most of the mags have given the nod to the camaro...but this is the issue

how do you knock points for "angry appearance" when most people loved the angry appearance in transformers

and this is a muscle car...its supposed to have an angry appearance...its not a european sports car

and can't you just raise your seat if you don't like the high beltline??...when i first got in a camaro it seemed like i was too low and couldn't see well...then i adjusted the seat up and was perfectly comfortable...
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:36 AM   #5
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And the "new" (ahem) Mustang has been out how long vs, the Camaro?

Let's see how that "gotta have it" number changes after the Camaro has beeen on the street a bit.


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Old 05-23-2009, 11:38 AM   #6
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What were the 1/4 mile times?
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:42 AM   #7
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i know the internet isn't a perfect gauge of people but most people on the net don't like the mustangs new rear

the stang doesn't look bad as a convertible...

but i guess name brand is really what would be stirring the new mustang's gotta have it factor

not to mention more females are inclined to drive a mustang than a camaro
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:49 AM   #8
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Man! I always take to heart what C&D writes, now I'm going to change my mind about the Camaro based on someone elses opinion
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:55 AM   #9
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i know the internet isn't a perfect gauge of people but most people on the net don't like the mustangs new rear

the stang doesn't look bad as a convertible...

but i guess name brand is really what would be stirring the new mustang's gotta have it factor

not to mention more females are inclined to drive a mustang than a camaro
That is pretty much my personal take on the Stang.

The rear reminds me too much of the old California Special, which I always hated.

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Old 05-23-2009, 11:56 AM   #10
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30 minutes and still no posts from the Mustang fanboys? I'm disappointed. Maybe they're posting in their own forums. Hmmm....

But anyway, "dislike angry appearance".... huh? I like to read the reviews but don't take them to heart. Most people here know what they want regardless.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:00 PM   #11
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Oh and gotta have it factor, basically destroys all credibility for the mag. That's the dumbest metric i've seen in a while, unless they give it to the Camaro haha
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:00 PM   #12
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Yeah that's just one persons write up. Everyone has there opinions. People will always say the challenger is better, people will always say the mustang is better, and people will always say the camaro is better. that's life.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:03 PM   #13
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[QUOTE=mkaresh;512927]

Camaro SS 2nd -- 193 pts -- like acceleration and grip, inventive interior; dislike angry appearance, tiny, trunk, hard seats, and "nose-deep-in-a-hole feeling" (high beltline)

.QUOTE]

This rag continues to employ IDIOTS ---- I bought the Camaro for it performance and LOOKS, including the chopped rod feel. The trunk is big (he obviously is confused by relatively small opening), seats are great. I'll give you one guess what "hole" this guys nose is in!!

There are about 10 pages a month worth reading, and if they didn't GIVE the rag away ($9.00/yr), I'd cancel.
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Car and Driver has been knocking the return of the Camaro since the early tesing stages, and even the Concept. I actually stopped buying C&D all together because of the constant Camaro bashing that they did when it was being tested. I could give a poop less what they think.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:09 PM   #15
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Quarter-mile times:

Camaro 13.0@111

Mustang 13.6@105

Challenger 13.6@106

People who want to win the quarter in a Mustang need to either pay up for a GT500 or wait for the new V8.
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Yeah that's just one persons write up. Everyone has there opinions. People will always say the challenger is better, people will always say the mustang is better, and people will always say the camaro is better. that's life.
That's what makes for Fanboys!

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Blah blah blah i dont care about there reviews to be honest. Cars are like everything else u buy. U know with in 5 seconds if u love it or hate it. You cant put that stuff on paper like a number system.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:47 PM   #18
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you guys are stupid if ya a pony car. FORD has nothing to give anymore other than a mustang. If chevy wants to they could come out with a retro chevlle ss,and a malibu ss retro And they haven't even really started on the stingray. except for a concept. Ford has nothing else to give except a pony. As far as style and looks and performance the chevy cars blow them away.
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13.0? I heard 12.95
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:34 PM   #20
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Blah blah blah i dont care about there reviews to be honest. Cars are like everything else u buy. U know with in 5 seconds if u love it or hate it. You cant put that stuff on paper like a number system.
Yep, I agree that you can't definitively say that X car is rated an 8, while Y car is rated 8.5. One person's ratings are going to differ from another's because of personal likes and dislikes.

But, I don't agree at all that you know within 5 seconds if you love or hate a car. An example is the Viper. I've read plenty of reviews on that car where the tester said the car was absolutely amazing on first drive - it's a street-legal race car! It seemed like nothing could be better. But living with the car for a weekend or long drive is another story - the ride is super-stiff and uncomfortable; the seats hold you like glue but are uncomfortable after any length of time; you can't escape the noise and it gets tiring. So when the testers each had to take a car for a couple hundred mile drive, the Viper was always the last one getting picked.

And that's why reviews can be useful sometimes.
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Old 05-23-2009, 02:37 PM   #21
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Car and Driver has been knocking the return of the Camaro since the early tesing stages, and even the Concept. I actually stopped buying C&D all together because of the constant Camaro bashing that they did when it was being tested. I could give a poop less what they think.
Yeah they seem to like to bash the Camaro. I guess their target demographic is Mustang owners. Gotta make them feel good so they can keep reading!
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Is there stronger public demand for the revised Mustang than for the new Camaro?

The all-new Camaro buzz, or the freshened same old Mustang silence.

You be the judge.
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"Dislike angry appearance".

Get the **** out of here. Who wrote that?

Emotional review has nothing to do with the science of the cars. This is a worthless review.
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Seems as though Ford gave C&D some dough in order to have the review come out in their favor. Happens all the time, opinions swayed by money. But i dont really care what a mag writes anymore. As far as females driving mustangs over camaros...if i have said it once i have said it a million times. mustang is a chick car! It is based around women, thats why 8 out of 10 high school grad girls get V6 stangs. It takes a real woman that knows a thing or two to drive a camaro. But Im not gonna sweat it, in fact i dont care. I will wipe the walls with mustangs all day long
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In real world tests, a Camaro5.com member ran the quarter mile in a 2010 Camaro SS in 13.5 seconds while a Themustangsource.com member ran the quarter mile in a 2010 Mustang GT in 13.7 seconds.

Here's the Car and Driver article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
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