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Old 07-26-2012, 10:35 PM   #1
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Ordered MS-8. Any advice to optimize?

I fianally ordered an MS-8 sound processor.

Any advice from people that have one as far as getting the most out of it or suggestions about install or setup?

Would appreciate any tips from users/installers.
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I love talking about this thing:

1. One tip I read (and used) was go with 24db octaves for setup. The default is 12db I believe, but 24db worked great for me.
2. If you have a frequent passenger (in my case, my wife), get them to sit in the passenger seat and do the setup. I have mine set to "front" instead of "driver" now to give my wife a great experience as well. It sounds almost as good to me as having it set to "driver".
3. Read this review over at DIYMA. It might be a little long, but it helped me a lot.

I couldn't find anywhere to really mount the display, so I ran the display cable into the glove box. My display and remote remain loose inside my glove box (encased by my removable face cloth cover from my radio). I don't keep much in my glove box, so YMMV. Listen to the MS-8 with Logic 7 on and then with it off. Some people do not like the surround sound effect. I like it, but again, YMMV.
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Thanks darkrider, I plan on display kin the glove box or console. Not many places on this dash to mount anything.
I can't wait to get the experience most have with it. My system sounds pretty good now but imaging and soundstage are lacking.I've got Focal KRX2 drivers and tweets driven by an Alpine PDX 4.150. Makes the Focals sound good. I had to put the tweets in the door just above the window switches. Had to move the mirror control uphill a bit, but highs come right at ya.

One thing i'm curious about. Do you need to set the amps and crossovers flat and let the MS-8 take over from there?

I have a Harmon Kardon receiver in the house (7.1) that sounds great. It uses the same technology for tuning.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:30 AM   #4
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3. Read this review over at DIYMA. It might be a little long, but it helped me a lot..
I read that review a long time ago. Good review. I've been looking at getting this thing for a long time, just had a few bills to get paid and a couple other things in line ahead of it.
Kinda like the supercharged LSX. It's going to happen, just got some things in line ahead of it.

I'll probably have to wait till the 4th and 5th to install. I need to finish Dynamat and foam under the carpet and reroute some wire for audio and a couple other things. Planning on doing the roof too. Trying to get accoustics a good as possible.
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You will LOVE the difference the MS-8 makes in the system once you get it set up properly. Just 2 days ago I listened to a super-nice audio system in a GMC Topkick "Ironhide" truck that a couple of the JBL guys brought down with the MS-8 in it. System sounded good without it, but fantastic with it! Good luck with your install.
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One thing i'm curious about. Do you need to set the amps and crossovers flat and let the MS-8 take over from there?
I set my amps to All Pass (flat) and have all my gains set at 0. I do plan on adjusting my gains up to 50%. I will be turning my gains up because my radio needed a volume level of 30 (out of 40) to get a good signal to the MS-8. I wouldn't say that it's "quiet" at 30, but I'd like to have it much louder at 30. I still have my Punch EQ knob up front to turn the sub way up, but for tuning, I left it at 0 also. It allows me to "muddy it up" if I want. I turned the MS-8 volume all the way up and use my head unit to control volume.

I start tearing my car apart again tomorrow evening to replace the MS-8 with the new Rockford Fosgate 3Sixty.3. I'm having high anxiety right now because I'm really afraid that I won't be able to get the 3Sixty.3 to sound as good as the MS-8. If I can't the 3Sixty straight, I'll just put the MS-8 back in. It's really the most impressive car audio product I have ever seen. What it can do with just 5-10 minutes of tuning is damn near magic.
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I'm looking at doing the install next weekend. I have two days off and have some other things to do while i'm digging into this. Seat and carpet pull, Dynamat and 3/8" foam, wire routing, lighting install. More than one day job. When I'm done with the floor, the roof will be all that's left for accoustic treatment. Should be sounding awesome. Polk 6x9's will be the weekest part of the system. They will get replaced with Focal next year sometime.
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Hey! My car is one of the Team JBL SQ vehicles that won Iasca world finals last year. Thanks to the MS-8. My big secrets with the system (assuming your keeping factory speaker system).

When you go to set up your system using the headphones have the output on your ms-8 turned down to about -15db also make sure you're in a very quiet area when tuning. Tune from both the driver and passenger seat.

Logic 7: Logic 7 is wonderful and amazing. *except for on radio stations.. radio quality is terrible IMO thats why I havent listened to radio in years.

Graphic EQ: remember when truly tuning a system you never want to add DB to any frequency unless you have to. always remove because anything over flat is not going to be accurate.
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Hey! My car is one of the Team JBL SQ vehicles that won Iasca world finals last year. Thanks to the MS-8. My big secrets with the system (assuming your keeping factory speaker system).

When you go to set up your system using the headphones have the output on your ms-8 turned down to about -15db also make sure you're in a very quiet area when tuning. Tune from both the driver and passenger seat.

Logic 7: Logic 7 is wonderful and amazing. *except for on radio stations.. radio quality is terrible IMO thats why I havent listened to radio in years.

Graphic EQ: remember when truly tuning a system you never want to add DB to any frequency unless you have to. always remove because anything over flat is not going to be accurate.
Head unit is only factory component. Got the MS-8 today. Install next weekend. I will take the manual to work tonight for study.
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I am installing it in the factory amp location. I should get the mount from Steve monday.
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In the manual it states that the MS-8 must control the turn on to the amps. Any chance this eliminates the amp thump in the subs on shut off?
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In the manual it states that the MS-8 must control the turn on to the amps. Any chance this eliminates the amp thump in the subs on shut off?
That's a little bit tricky but you can set up a delay for the turn on which helps. also tying back to our other convo. With the head unit being the factory setup (AS MINE IS ALSO) what I said before matters even more. ALSO.. you want to make sure your headunit EQ is set completely flat and Fade and Balance are centered.. alot of people forget then try to tune their MS-8 and it sounds like a fat piggy. :-)

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In the manual it states that the MS-8 must control the turn on to the amps. Any chance this eliminates the amp thump in the subs on shut off?
This is one hell of question, and I wish I could answer that one for you. The only way I was able to completely eliminate the thump with the factory head unit was to use the METRA Trigger. It's all spelled out in the thread I have linked in my signature. Not all amps have the pop problem, but mine sure did.

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That's a little bit tricky but you can set up a delay for the turn on which helps. also tying back to our other convo. With the head unit being the factory setup (AS MINE IS ALSO) what I said before matters even more. ALSO.. you want to make sure your headunit EQ is set completely flat and Fade and Balance are centered.. alot of people forget then try to tune their MS-8 and it sounds like a fat piggy. :-)
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I never had a problem with turn on, it was only turn off. Best bet for you CWIweldace is to try it and see. The problem with the factory head unit is that it outputs an audio signal after the radio is off, for a few seconds. The factory head has a mute signal that it sends to the factory amp that keeps the factory amp silent. Aftermarket amps do not have a mute function, so there in lies the problem. The MS-8 may not have a issue with pop, but you really need to use it to turn on your amps.

The rest of the advice by Zach is spot on. Setting everything to 0 on the factory head is extremely important.
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@Darkrider01 :-) Are we going to see your car at spring break nationals next year? I need some competition in the sound quality department aside from my teammates.. I'll be full Logic 7.2 however I'll only be running my front sub during competition.
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That's a little bit tricky but you can set up a delay for the turn on which helps. also tying back to our other convo. With the head unit being the factory setup (AS MINE IS ALSO) what I said before matters even more. ALSO.. you want to make sure your headunit EQ is set completely flat and Fade and Balance are centered.. alot of people forget then try to tune their MS-8 and it sounds like a fat piggy. :-)

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Thanks Zach, I'll see what I have after install. i was hoping that with the amp power being controled by the MS-8 that it would get rid of the thump. I planned on setting everything flat before I ever looked at the instructions. I understand how that part works. I wish I had time to do this on Sunday but i am working nights so don't wake up till mis to late afternoon and have too much to do besides the MS-8 all at the same time.

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This is one hell of question, and I wish I could answer that one for you. The only way I was able to completely eliminate the thump with the factory head unit was to use the METRA Trigger. It's all spelled out in the thread I have linked in my signature. Not all amps have the pop problem, but mine sure did.

I never had a problem with turn on, it was only turn off. Best bet for you CWIweldace is to try it and see. The problem with the factory head unit is that it outputs an audio signal after the radio is off, for a few seconds. The factory head has a mute signal that it sends to the factory amp that keeps the factory amp silent. Aftermarket amps do not have a mute function, so there in lies the problem. The MS-8 may not have a issue with pop, but you really need to use it to turn on your amps.

The rest of the advice by Zach is spot on. Setting everything to 0 on the factory head is extremely important.
See above^^^^I'll just get the delay if I have to. All 3 amps I'm runnig are Alpine Class D. Two PDX 1.1000s on the Type R 12" subs and a PDX4.150 on Polk 6x9's and Focal KRX2's up front. I can't wait to hear the Focals with the MS-8.



Oh, I'm installing per instructions all the way. Pop is only on shut off. Thanks
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That's a little bit tricky but you can set up a delay for the turn on which helps. also tying back to our other convo. With the head unit being the factory setup (AS MINE IS ALSO) what I said before matters even more. ALSO.. you want to make sure your headunit EQ is set completely flat and Fade and Balance are centered.. alot of people forget then try to tune their MS-8 and it sounds like a fat piggy. :-)

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Last question I hope. If I understand the directions correctly and I have the FARK, all I need to input to the MS-8 is one set of RCA's? And this will give me full benefit?
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Hello guys,
I want to apologize because I am going to ask some basic and dumb questions. I have zero knowledge about car audio so please bare with me.

I bought my Camaro few week ago and it came with Boston Acoustics. I don't like the quality of the sound so I am trying to add JBL MS8. I am not planning to add any extra sub or amp but get some decent sound quality.

From what I understand JBL MS8 can be connected in different ways as follow:
1. Head Unit->Boston Acoustics Amp-(High level)->JBL MS8-(High Level)->speakers
2. Head Unit-(High Level)->JBL MS8-(High Level)->Boston Acoustics Amp->Speakers
3. Head Unit-(High Level)->JBL MS8-(High Level)->Speakers

So which way are you guys connecting? Also are you using any harness to connect to MS8? Which color wire connects to what? What about REM IN and REM OUT in MS8?

Your help is much appreciated.
Thank you so much....

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Last question I hope. If I understand the directions correctly and I have the FARK, all I need to input to the MS-8 is one set of RCA's? And this will give me full benefit?
Yes. Run the front only to the MS-8.
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Hello guys,
I want to apologize because I am going to ask some basic and dumb questions. I have zero knowledge about car audio so please bare with me. I bought my Camaro few week ago and it came with Boston Acoustics. I don't like to quality of the sound and trying to add JBL MS8. I am not planning to add any extra sub or amp but get some decent sound quality. From what I understand JBL MS8 can be connected in different ways as follow:
1. Head Unit->Boston Acoustics Amp-(High level)->JBL MS8-(High Level)->speakers
2. Head Unit-(High Level)->JBL MS8-(High Level)->Boston Acoustics Amp->Speakers
3. Head Unit-(High Level)->JBL MS8-(High Level)->Speakers

So which way are you guys connecting? Also are you using any harness to connect to MS8? Which color wire connects to what? What about REM IN and REM OUT in MS8?

Your help is much appreciated.
Thank you so much....
Option 3. The Boston Amp has a built-in EQ curve, and it would be best to avoid it. The MS-8 puts out more power anyway.

If you're keeping the factory head unit, get the X3 harness from SubThump. It will give you the RCA's you need and the remote wire you need as well.

Also, asking questions is a good idea. We have a lot of very knowledgeable people in this community and most are very willing to help. There are no dumb questions (except for the "should I trade for Mustang" questions. Those are dumb).
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@Darkrider01 :-) Are we going to see your car at spring break nationals next year? I need some competition in the sound quality department aside from my teammates.. I'll be full Logic 7.2 however I'll only be running my front sub during competition.
Ha! Eh, who knows. My wife keeps telling me that my car is years from being in any more shows, but I like to dream. Also, 7.2?!?! I be that sounds awesome. Wish I could find a head unit with Optical out. I really don't want to have to use a MacMini as a source unit.

Oh well, the time has come. I'm heading down to my garage to start tearing my car apart again. I hope this 3Sixty.3 is all RF has made it out to be.
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Thank you so much for a quick response darkrider01. I will go with the option 3 then.

If I use RCA's from SubThump X3 harness then we are basically connecting high level to low level. Do I need line output converter?

Also when I connect high level output from MS8 to speakers should I use X2 connector from SubThump? If so which color wire from high level output MS8 adaptor connects to which color wire in X2 connector?

Also does this setup connects to the center speaker?


Thanks again....

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I don't have much knowledge but in one of the thread I read it is ok to connect all 4 RCA's to MS8 and you will do that if you have backup sensor because the backup sensor speakers are connected to rear speakers only.

OnStar, Bluetooth - connected to front speakers only
backup sensor sound - connected to rear speakers only

So connect all 4 RCAs. But the question is do we need line output converter to connect the RCA's to the MS8 low level input?

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I don't have much knowledge but in one of the thread I read it is ok to connect all 4 RCA's to MS8 and you will do that if you have backup sensor because the backup sensor speakers are connected to rear speakers only.

OnStar, Bluetooth - connected to front speakers only
backup sensor sound - connected to rear speakers only

So connect all 4 RCAs. But the question is do we need line output converter to connect the RCA's to the MS8 low level input?
Yeah, you can connect all 4 RCA's to the MS-8. No, you do not need a LOC.

As far as the center speaker, yes the MS-8 can run the center just fine. Are you adding amps, or are you just replacing the factory amp with the MS-8?

Also, sorry to OP for the thread jacking.
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Yes. Run the front only to the MS-8.

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Old 07-30-2012, 01:49 AM   #25
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I am not adding new amps or sub. Just want every thing to be factory but add JBL MS8.

Also MS8 only has 8 channels so how can I added the 9th center speaker?
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Originally Posted by darkrider01 View Post
Yeah, you can connect all 4 RCA's to the MS-8. No, you do not need a LOC.

As far as the center speaker, yes the MS-8 can run the center just fine. Are you adding amps, or are you just replacing the factory amp with the MS-8?

Also, sorry to OP for the thread jacking.
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