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Old 07-27-2012, 11:11 PM   #18
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Wow. 2 fine examples of what a great Camaro should be. I don't know the man but im glad Mark Stielow is on our side.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:19 AM   #19
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In case anyone is wondering, here are the specs on the Red Devil Camaro:

http://www.lateral-g.net/members/stielow/
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:58 AM   #20
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Cool Video: 2012 Camaro ZL1 vs. 750 HP Red Devil 69 Camaro

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On this episode of HOT ROD Unlimited, David Freiburger meets up with Pro Touring legend Mark Stielow to compare old and new Camaros head to head. Mark Stielow is a GM engineer with a long history of building vintage, street-worthy Camaros with amazing handling prowess. His latest is the Red Devil, a '69 model powered by a 427ci, supercharged LS9 that tops 750 hp and 800 lb-ft. It runs a six-speed trans and complete suspension from Detroit Speed, and has won a number of shootouts with similarly built Pro Touring cars. But can his modified muscle car outrun the technology of the Magnetic Ride suspension on the new, 580hp, 2012 Camaro ZL1? We head to GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan to find out.


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Old 07-28-2012, 03:33 AM   #21
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Loved the video...
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:51 AM   #22
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That was awesome! Didn't see anywhere the weight and hp of the 69?
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:11 AM   #23
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Thanks, that was a great watch, really enjoyed the commentary and of course the on track action. Chevy Runs Deep, especially in corners.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:41 AM   #24
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Awsome video and you couldn't find a better car to compare to. I've been following Mark Stielows builds since his first car in 92 which won the Car Craft Real Street Shootout. The man is the god father of Pro Touring and builds the most amazing 69's in the world....and he can drive to boot.
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:45 PM   #25
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No mention of just how much is invested in the Red Devil. Any clue?
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:51 PM   #26
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No mention of just how much is invested in the Red Devil. Any clue?
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:56 PM   #27
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No mention of just how much is invested in the Red Devil. Any clue?
Mark does a lot of the work himself but there's probably at least 100k in the car. It even has ABS brakes. If you had that car built by DSE, it would probably run about $250K to replicate.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:06 AM   #28
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Here is the Car and Driver test on Red Devil:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...touring-review
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:07 PM   #29
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Here is the Car and Driver test on Red Devil:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...touring-review
I was just going to post this also.
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Est. price $250,000
Engine: 427 w/ZR1 supercharger and more aftermarket performance parts
HP: 756
TQ: 804
Curb weight 3617
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1/4 mile 11.8 @ 127 mph

Very awesome car. Could you imagine what he could do with the ZL1 and a 100k.
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Old 07-29-2012, 03:26 PM   #30
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Exhaust and engine sound on both are great and love the flames exit the 69's exhaust at time 5:30 something on the vid.
I immediately noticed the flames too... pretty cool .

The answer to this puzzle is simple though (and is the same answer to the GT500 problem) just change the pulley and add a CAI and tune and the ZL1 will dominate every track...it simply loses on straight line acceleration to lighter more powerful pony cars!
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Old 07-29-2012, 03:28 PM   #31
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This is a duplicate thread with:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240230

Please Merge?
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:11 PM   #32
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At what point does an old car become vintage sheetmetal on a new car?

I know about VINs etc, I was in the restoration hobby for 20 years.

I like the Red Devil a lot. I'd own it. But to me, this is a new car with 1969 sheetmetal on it. That's not a bad thing, it's just a thing

I'm not surprised the modded car won; the factory car wasn't built to push the envelope. It's built to be a great package that passes required testing for government ratings and to fulfill a business model.
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Old 07-29-2012, 08:47 PM   #33
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ZL1 vs 69 Red Devil Camaro

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Old 07-29-2012, 08:49 PM   #34
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I love Red Devil! The ZL1 is awesome but I'd take Red Devil all day long!
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