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Old 08-04-2012, 08:32 PM   #18
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Seems like most of the water bag failures occurred shortly after the tops have been replaced. Is it a coincidence or do the installers damage something while working on the top?
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:56 PM   #19
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Nothing exposed when closed. The fit seems excellent, and the car is unbelievably quiet even at highway speeds. I have 20k miles in a year in the car so am really in-tune with it.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:02 PM   #20
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I'm sorry to see you are having problems with the new roof. Just keep working with them on it.
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:06 PM   #21
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They probably pulled the drain tubes out. Easy fix and over looked by many installers.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:10 AM   #22
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Post new top install, water management failed. Dealer wants the car on Monday to have the contractor take a look at it. Unwilling to just order the new bag...
Fortunately, your leak may be the result of an installation error - as mine was, they installed it upside down on top #2. If not, it's the faulty design of the waterbag.

They will never "shampoo" out the mold and mildew in that thing, never. Why? Because they don't take the carpet out of the car and dis-infect it like trim shops used to back in the 70's and 80's with flood jobs. I did hundred of them from river flooding in the Northeast back in my day working at my dad's trim shop. They don't know how to do this properly, or simply just don;t want to. They you it was steam cleaned or something similar. It's crap, the carpet needs to come out, the padding removed and thrown away, new padding installed, and the carpet thoroughly cleaned on both sides with a disinfectant shampoo. They couldn't get away with it on mine since the carpet is a light grey and shows everything. It also smelled horrible, like rotting trash in a trashcan.

Today's dealers are "parts changers." They look at the computer and go by what GM thinks should be done, not what old fashioned common sense and intuition tell them to do. GM authorizes a shampoo, refuses a new carpet, and a few weeks down the road you're in for a new carpet anyway. It's really freakin' ridiculous anymore. So, demand a carpet kit if all they are going to do is shampoo the carpet while it is still in your car - epic failure.

If the damn top keeps showing those "V" marks, demand a new mechanism. Those marks are classic on this top - the problem is so widely known already. Keep taking it back. Document the days out of service. And maybe as the last resort get an attorney involved. Not sure of you vehicle history, but you are invited to PM me here and I can help the best I can. I have been through ALL OF THIS already.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:59 AM   #23
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Just wondering if they installed the re-designed water management bag when they re did the top. When they replaced my top and mechanics in april the water management bag sent was the old style bag. Luckily my service manager spotted this and kept the larger re-designed one I had installed a month earlier. So far the top on mine has been fantastic, no rub marks just the wave is noticeable above the side windows. I agree with most that GM will not replace the whole mechanics till all attempt to patch fix the top has failed. I still think once the 5th bow is broken they should replace it all. Good luck with the water management replacement.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:07 PM   #24
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The top is 22972088 F-Cover.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:20 AM   #25
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it sounds like the water bag is a separate item. The fit on that new top looks fantastic though.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:51 AM   #26
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Water management bag,??? I've never had a leak, no waves or any of the problems discussed here. Love the car and have had it just nearly 4 months now.

I'm still a little confused about just where this "Bag" is you all keep referring to. Michael in Virginia
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:00 PM   #27
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Water management bag,??? I've never had a leak, no waves or any of the problems discussed here. Love the car and have had it just nearly 4 months now.

I'm still a little confused about just where this "Bag" is you all keep referring to. Michael in Virginia
The bag lines the well that the top folds down into. Water is then collected and drains through two tubs down and out of the car. Any issues with the bag or the tube results in interior flooding.
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The water management bag is a separate part # from the top and mechanics. Ill go look at my receipts from the repairs to find the part #.
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:05 PM   #29
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Swing and a miss @ the dealer today. They have no loaner cars so I'll be back tomorrow. Did talk with their service ace and he looked at the car and wants to send it back to the trim shop, I agreed with him. He knows these tops etal are a pain in the ass to work on. He will be the one to pull the wet carpet, change the padding and re install.

I really don't like the incessant problems with the car, who would? However the service people that I have dealt with have treated me very well, they have yet to tell me no to anything.

Stay tuned.
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:49 PM   #30
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Swing and a miss @ the dealer today. They have no loaner cars so I'll be back tomorrow. Did talk with their service ace and he looked at the car and wants to send it back to the trim shop, I agreed with him. He knows these tops etal are a pain in the ass to work on. He will be the one to pull the wet carpet, change the padding and re install.

I really don't like the incessant problems with the car, who would? However the service people that I have dealt with have treated me very well, they have yet to tell me no to anything.

Stay tuned.
Wow, my dealer usually just gets me a rental from Enterprise. they don't keep loaner cars for insurance reasons.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:42 PM   #31
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Yeah, my dealer also got me a loaner from Enterprise when I had the dash bubbling fixed. Totally free of charge.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:31 PM   #32
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Got to meet the new service manager today when I was given the run around for the second time about availability of loner. I introduced myself and he said, "Is your's the red Camaro?" I couldn't help but laugh out loud, I asked him how'd he know and he said he had been briefed about the car. Talked for about 15 minutes, he is a car guy not just a suit. This is a very BIG dealership... and I am famous. I'm the guy, "that knows ALL about his Camaro and brings his own TSBs with him." (Thanks C5.com)

He assured me that the leak will be taken care of and that my carpets will be removed cleaned and padding replaced. We'll see. I have been trying to stay optimistic.

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Got to meet the new service manager today when I was given the run around for the second time about availability of loner.
Different dealers deal with loaners cars in different ways.

Some dealers, like the main one I deal with, have their own fleet of loaner cars, mainly Chevy Cruizes. Some other dealers have a standing arraingment with the local car rental company such as Enterprise.

Either way, I believe (you'd have to check to make sure) that if your car is in for warranty work and they have to keep it overnight or longer, they are required to provide a loaner car of some type.

AFAIK, they are NOT however required to make it a vehicle similar or better than what you brought in for work.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #34
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Different dealers deal with loaners cars in different ways.

Some dealers, like the main one I deal with, have their own fleet of loaner cars, mainly Chevy Cruizes. Some other dealers have a standing arraingment with the local car rental company such as Enterprise.

Either way, I believe (you'd have to check to make sure) that if your car is in for warranty work and they have to keep it overnight or longer, they are required to provide a loaner car of some type.

AFAIK, they are NOT however required to make it a vehicle similar or better than what you brought in for work.
Right, I have driven a Cruise 2 times a Malibu 3 times and a Impala once.

There is always car rental paperwork. I have also been driven back and forth to work and the dealership a few times. Man no wonder they know me!!
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