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Old 08-04-2012, 08:43 PM   #1
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Camaro 1LE vs. Camaro ZL-1

No not in a drag race but in the handling characteristics. I notice in the Japolink write up on the 1LE the editor said this,"The car does have more understeer than the ZL1, especially in the faster turns, and I wish the brakes were updated and not just painted. They just don't live up to the incredible handling available, but it certainly wasn't a deal breaker. The gearbox ratios are tuned for the racetrack and the throw is short and tight. For the price, its performance is not that far from that of its big brother." Now I would have thought that the 1LE would have been more neutral all round with the 20x10s all round and no blower in the front end, but seems like the ZL-1 with more power to the rear, more weight with the 9" rear end balancing the weight distribution more than the 1LE makes the ZL-1 the more neutral handler which shocked me but not so much after closely analyzing both setups. It is true that more power to the rear wheels can make a car more neutral around corners and I have experienced this many times in the past but I still see the 1LE as being the more toss friendly platform in events like autocrossing and so on. What say you.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:22 AM   #2
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I'd love the opportunity to compare them. Personally I'm drawn to high revving NA motors and there is talk that the 1LE can walk a Boss as I would expect following the car to market with a well sorted IRS. Not buying the 4 second VIR advantage though.

At then end of the day I suspect price will be the biggest deciding factor between the two King Camaros.
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:56 PM   #3
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Don't forget 1LE has larger 27mm front stabilizer bar to offset the square tire sizes.
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:13 PM   #4
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Don't forget 1LE has larger 27mm front stabilizer bar to offset the square tire sizes.
Sorry I forgot to mention that but My current setup has the ZL-1 rear 28mm bar with H&R front 28mm bar with staggered setup and corners very freaking neutral but of course the stock cars don't have the full equipment I have. My car with even tires front and rear would be even better. Just thought the 1LE should be more neutral than say my car is. Also spring rates and strut/ shock stiffness plays an important role as well.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:05 AM   #5
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You and me both. I was also hoping for the a more neutral car with less body motion.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:08 PM   #6
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This thread will be on fire I suspect once some of these 1LEs get to the track!
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:34 PM   #7
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The 1LE doesn't have 20x10 wheels all the way around, just the same size tires.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:53 PM   #8
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The 1LE doesn't have 20x10 wheels all the way around, just the same size tires.
Yep 9" fronts and 10" rears. 285 on all fours to help with understeering(in addition to all of the suspension mods GM did)

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Yep 9" fronts and 10" rears. 285 on all fours to help with understeering(in addition to all of the suspension mods GM did)

YAY GM
20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in back

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Yep 9" fronts and 10" rears. 285 on all fours to help with understeering(in addition to all of the suspension mods GM did)

YAY GM
I assure you there are not 20x9s up front or anywhere on the 1LE. The last correct I heard was 20x10s all round. ZL-1 fronts on all four corners.
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This guy has it correct. You can look at the brochure for confirmation if you need it.
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285 on all fours
This is correct.
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20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in rear...

I assure u
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1LE weighs 260 lbs less than a ZL1. So if you could get about 100 hp more out of the LS3 you would have a hell of a car. That is 100 naturally aspirated, not forced induction with 100-120 lbs extra weight on the front end.
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20 x 10 up front
20 x 11 in rear...

I assure u
I wonder what the logic in doing that was? I guess it leaves a 1LE owner the option of using the same rear tire as the ZL1. I chose 10's with 285's all around for the ability to rotate, although since they are getting most of the wear on the track I may not bother.
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I am not sure what to think of the different front and rear rims.... most of the time I was hoping to have all 4 be 10'' wide so when I kill the rear tires at the track I can just swap front to back but now that's out the window.... not sure if offsets were already different.

Anyhow, at the same time, I am glad they provided the wider rim because let's be honest...... how many of us are going to leave that motor stock?!?!?!? This might be one of the reasons they left it. I know the wider rear will hurt balance, but so is more power and an itchy right foot. At the same time, leaving them the same as a zl1 will make manufacturing different cars on the same line a lot easier to do and keep everything more simple... I think.

I do like the look with the wider rim too and the tires stretched out.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:07 PM   #17
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from what I hear, 1LE + fatter rear sway + differential, cradle, radius rod inserts will = awesome.

Not all that expensive and possibly DIY doable. This is based on ZL1 suspension experience. Check out the suspension mod forum once the 1LEs start shipping. My opinion is you do not need 100 extra HP. 50 more just from bolt-ons should get you a really fast car.
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1LE weighs 260 lbs less than a ZL1. So if you could get about 100 hp more out of the LS3 you would have a hell of a car. That is 100 naturally aspirated, not forced induction with 100-120 lbs extra weight on the front end.
All this 1le talk makes me more proud of my SS. Reason is, the SS sounds more capable dont it! I mean some suspension work, a 3.91 gear and a new set of wheels and tires... we all have a 1LE
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All this 1le talk makes me more proud of my SS. Reason is, the SS sounds more capable dont it! I mean some suspension work, a 3.91 gear and a new set of wheels and tires... we all have a 1LE
The other big piece is the trans.
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I wonder what the logic in doing that was?
With same-size tires, there's just a little less cornering stiffness on the narrower wheels and just a tiny bit more front slip angle. As an isolated effect, I'd expect just a tiny bit more understeer than if all four were either 10 or 11. Or 10.5, for that matter.

10" is not a particularly wide wheel for 285-wide tires.


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Old 08-27-2012, 11:00 AM   #21
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That's what I said! LOL OOPS
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You were an inch off.
Story of my life! LOL
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Remember the car was designed with a staggered set up therefore the offsets are different front to rear. also the cost of tooling new wheels is unnecessary if the ZL1 wheels are used.*
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Remember the car was designed with a staggered set up therefore the offsets are different front to rear. also the cost of tooling new wheels is unnecessary if the ZL1 wheels are used.*
Does anyone know why? Does a staggered offset have any advantages or is it just for looks?
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