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Old 08-05-2012, 01:15 AM   #1
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Rants about the Thursday Night Cruise + Mid atl. Cara.

Haven't seen a decent rant yet so I'll start.

Loved the idea of the cruise. The Indianapolis PD did a spectacular job.

Those hazard lights though...wow. Coming from an ex-leo... that was ABSOLUTELY unacceptable. The danger we brought to the high way was outrageous. I witness 3 very near misses including one of my own.

I was cruising...I had my lady in the car. I did not say but maybe 10 words to her that entire cruise. I was too focused on the car in front of me. Even at that...I nearly rear ended a ZL1. Someone 2 cars in front of him slammed on their breaks...started a chain reaction...next thing I know I was sideways looking at the median. I was paying full attention the whole time. I made sure I had a nice gap for a bail out on both sides the whole trip.

Then when regular motorist got behind some Camaros with the hazards on...that was even worse. I saw many many close calls.

I think this was just a mistake on someones part. They just didn't think of what could happen. I understand. It was probably the IPD.

Mid-Atlantic Caravan.

Unacceptable. Cruising at a constant 80 mph. Completely dangerous. I am disappointed in how this went (edog...organization was great. You did a spectacular job man). Just because there are 100 of us does not mean we are above the law, as we obviously learned. It took one person calling 9-1-1 and the entire local Indiana State Patrol post started tearing us apart. How many of us were pulled over? 7-10? That accident was great also. From what I heard it sounded like a young driver not paying attention (texting?).

For those of you who did not hear about this. We had someone call the ISP on us and they sent a load of troopers after us and tore the caravan apart. Also in the chaos there was an accident involving 4 Camaros. Just use this as an example when you are cruising with your friends or running with 100 Camaros next fest. Just use your brain. You show off more when you go slow (the speed limits).

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Old 08-05-2012, 02:29 AM   #2
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How in the hell can an accident be great?! Hope nobody was hurt.
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:48 AM   #3
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:24 AM   #4
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Don't know where you were at in the caravan so i can't say anything about the 80 mph, but i will say that i was in the middle of the pack and was only able to do 45 - 50 mph. Edog only goes the speed limit. Alot of the issues were people hopping into the opposite lane and taking off, the cutting in making people slow down then speed up. It also didnt help when some people were keaving 4-10 car gaps, which also caused people to slow down and continuously hit their brakes. Now you are probably correct that things could have been done a little differently, but there is only so much that can be done. No one can control anothers actions.

Dont take this post as an attack, but rather as my two cents.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:00 AM   #5
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I was in the first 1/3 of the cruise and we on run ave around 50mph. The flashers where a terrible idea as no one had break lights then. You had to leave a big gap to have time to react to cars in front slowing down. If was nearly in two rearenders and saw three more.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:54 AM   #6
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Haven't seen a decent rant yet so I'll start.

Loved the idea of the cruise. The Indianapolis PD did a spectacular job.

Those hazard lights though...wow. Coming from an ex-leo... that was ABSOLUTELY unacceptable. The danger we brought to the high way was outrageous. I witness 3 very near misses including one of my own.

I was cruising...I had my lady in the car. I did not say but maybe 10 words to her that entire cruise. I was too focused on the car in front of me. Even at that...I nearly rear ended a ZL1. Someone 2 cars in front of him slammed on their breaks...started a chain reaction...next thing I know I was sideways looking at the median. I was paying full attention the whole time. I made sure I had a nice gap for a bail out on both sides the whole trip.

Then when regular motorist got behind some Camaros with the hazards on...that was even worse. I saw many many close calls.

I think this was just a mistake on someones part. They just didn't think of what could happen. I understand. It was probably the IPD.

Mid-Atlantic Caravan.

Unacceptable. Cruising at a constant 80 mph. Completely dangerous. I am disappointed in how this went (edog...organization was great. You did a spectacular job man). Just because there are 100 of us does not mean we are above the law, as we obviously learned. It took one person calling 9-1-1 and the entire local Indiana State Patrol post started tearing us apart. How many of us were pulled over? 7-10? That accident was great also. From what I heard it sounded like a young driver not paying attention (texting?).

For those of you who did not hear about this. We had someone call the ISP on us and they sent a load of troopers after us and tore the caravan apart. Also in the chaos there was an accident involving 4 Camaros. Just use this as an example when you are cruising with your friends or running with 100 Camaros next fest. Just use your brain. You show off more when you go slow (the speed limits).
Cruises in general are inherently dangerous. If you ended up sideways facing a median it doesn't sound like were doing a whole lot better than the dude in the accident. Maybe you were secretly texting too, or your age somehow made you do it?

Point being, as dangerous as a cruise is, especially one of so many cars, that accident could have happenned to anyone. I'm sure we all have a story of a close call from the ride out - probably the main reason I left a half hour or so after everyone from Dayton.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:10 AM   #7
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well i wasnt mch for all the cruise but i liked the beginning and end.
now forthe group rolling in wednesday...
i caught the tx crew in KY and rolled in with them. we made good time averaging pretty good speed...no probs there...it was fun. lol...in a dream i may have saw triple digits playing catch up in traffic a couple times. lol. i thought i was bad then i saw tagurit do a fly by on the tower in the right lane. LMAO. (i was in the white vortec car out of AR)
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First off I have to agree, the cruises and caravans were pretty crazy. I believe the mid Atlantic cruise from Dayton to Indy was the worst. We ended up leaving the pack. It was just to much. Now as far as the accident, not sure how you ment the age thing but I believe him being young has nothing to do with it. I'm 17 and I wasnt involved in any accident. I did have some close calls but almost everyone I've talked had close calls. And no the driver was not texting, I know that for a fact.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:14 AM   #9
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I was white knuckled and my butt hole was puckered the whole way around 465...i left plenty of room after going from 70 to a stop a few times without warning. I even got waved by LEO to move faster a few times doing about 80 and still not keeping up with the pack....Im glad no one got hurt on that cruise especially the moto LEOs....
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:53 AM   #10
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Calling the ISP proves just how big of assholes people are. If you see a ton of specialty vehicles, they're aren't there just there to block the road, etc. If anything the ISP should have been there to guide the caravans of cars. Though that would probably take a special pre-arrangement. I've always loved the idea of caravan cruises but average traffic takes a toll on cruises. People used to arrange some for the trips to the Ocean City, MD car show's but the way traffic interfered it doesn't really happen in big groups anymore. It's usually difficult just to cruise with 2 or 3 cars together. However the drive to an event like this would probably suck ass all together if you did it by yourself with no chances of group pics along the way, and etc.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:35 AM   #11
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The cruise was a great idea but I won't do one on the expressway again, white knuckle all the way around the loop. The LEO's on bikes stopping all that traffic was nuts, glad no one got hurt, I guess they are used to it but it didn't seem safe.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:51 AM   #12
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Am I the only one ? I thought the 50 mile Indy loop cruise was great. No issues (except maybe the flashers) and the police did a great job imo.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:53 AM   #13
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I heard that the Fest cruise was complete choas. I had a couple friends that just turned around and left right in the middle of the cruise. It probably wasn't the best idea for the PD to host the cruise on the expressway with heavy traffic and with almost all the Camaros only having one small brake light.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:20 PM   #14
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Cruises in general are inherently dangerous. If you ended up sideways facing a median it doesn't sound like were doing a whole lot better than the dude in the accident. Maybe you were secretly texting too, or your age somehow made you do it?

Point being, as dangerous as a cruise is, especially one of so many cars, that accident could have happenned to anyone. I'm sure we all have a story of a close call from the ride out - probably the main reason I left a half hour or so after everyone from Dayton.
It was on a down hill grade so I could only see the back of the car infront of my. So I couldn't see if traffic infront of him was slowing down. That was the case for all 4 of us. Trust me I was not about to take my eyes off the road.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:26 PM   #15
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Despite being part of the 4 car accident, I still had a great time. Cars will get fixed. No one was hurt, so that's what matters.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:47 PM   #16
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I enjoyed the cruise for the most part, but between trying to shift and turn off my hazards when I was braking to keep the car e from taking me out it was very white knuckle driving.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:04 PM   #17
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I was part of the mid atlantic group from Fredricksburg to Dayton and onto Indy... and I can say Wednesday... I was one of the handful that jumped in the other lane and took off... I'd rather take off and get away from what was and did happen because it was in the making early on... I nearly hit the car in front of me a few times and was nearly hit a few times from the rear.... the best example I can give is this...

Put yourself traveling on the interstate like everyone else around you, running approximately 75mph and then out of nowhere and no known reason everyone in front of you slams on the brakes and drops to 35mph or less in feet.... not a slooowwwwinnggg down method.... just absolute stand on the brake pedal.... That is how it went, and I'm sure most who were in it can contest to that.

So with that said.... If I pissed anyone off by jumping out the line and taking off.... then I'm sorry, but my car is home and intact. Thats not a low blow to the ones who were involved in the wreck, but it was a disaster waiting to happen.
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Well to be fair, the first 3 cars were stopped with no collision. It was the 4th car that caused the others to get pushed forward.
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This is one of the main reasons none of our group from Detroit chose to participate in the cruise.
The more cars you have in a cruise, the more chance that someone will start showing off, or local's who still need to get where they want to go will end up changing lanes right in front of someone.
Add to the fact that most of us are from out of town and are not familier with the local roads.
Those of us from Detroit are used to the chaos that sometimes happens during the annual Woodward Dream cruise, and as popular as that is, the number of cars that were expected to be at Camarofest III and the Tursday night cruise, well you get the picture.

We simply chose to stary in the parking lot nice and safe and sound and enjoyed the pizza.

Overall we had an awesome time at the fest itself, even if we opted out of the cruise.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:43 PM   #20
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Doug, Joe and I talked about the issues that arose... I too felt like I had a death grip on my steering wheel and a dent in my floorboard under my break pedal. I was at the front and we never went faster than 45 MPH but there was a lot of quick slow downs. We all agreeded and we will never do a cruise on the freeway.

On a positive note, the officers informed us that the cruise was over five miles long...
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:52 PM   #21
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Back in the day, there used to be a 4th gen F-body show at the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green. What they did is pick 2-3 scenic routes and do cruises in groups of like 25 throughout the day. This seemed to work well. I did the cruise @ the first Camaro5fest and that was crazy enough to make me say never again.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:56 PM   #22
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It was crazy enough last year for the Cali team. And we had chp shutting down the interstate for us. I can't imagine how crazy this was. The videos were scary enough.
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From what I observed, most of the drivers in the Dayton to Indy caravan were driving like they had common sense. I did observe several "sphincters" pass me on the right and dangerously cut in and out of traffic. When we got into the area with the ISP, I felt that the three cars (I was one) pulled over by one officer would not have been ticketed if they were not in a group. He, the ISP officer, was just determined to give out tickets to someone, no matter if they were driving like a jackass or not. (Giving the ISP the benefit of the doubt, perhaps this was their way of a 'show of force'.)
Yes, I was driving with the flow of traffic (no excuse) and "slightly" above the speed limit and the ticket was warranted because of that but.....again, I felt that we took the bullet for those AH's that drove like idiots. I'll never caravan with another group other than my club.
Besides this incident, I had a great time! Perhaps I should wait to comment until after I've found out how much the citation will cost me.
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Alright mods, new cruise plan for Camaro5 Fest 4; Line everyone up and just do circles around the hotel.
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It was on a down hill grade so I could only see the back of the car infront of my. So I couldn't see if traffic infront of him was slowing down. That was the case for all 4 of us. Trust me I was not about to take my eyes off the road.
Yeah - exactly my point. You dont have to be young and texting to get into an accident. Even when you pay as close attention as possible you can end up in a sketchy predicament. I had two experiences that terrified me between Hagerstown and Dayton and I knew I didn't want to risk it the next day when the group was even larger.
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