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Old 08-05-2012, 02:17 PM   #1
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When calibrations are done right.....

We had a customer this week bring us a GEN5 Camaro that he recently installed a stroker motor and Edelbrock TVS2300 supercharger. The car came from another shop who was hired to calibrate the car. After a few days of struggle the customer brought us the car to check out....

Here is the before and afterwards of there calibration vs. ours....




Wait until this guy comes back from vacation this week!

I had to post this as this guy just got railed and its really upsetting that shops can continue to operate with this kind of work.....

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Old 08-05-2012, 10:03 PM   #2
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This has been going on for years. How some shops continue to stay in business surprises me. Nice thread on the HPT forum about this same crap.
Props to Redline.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:42 PM   #3
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Nice tune...


question for the pro's...

Given a choice which super charger would you go with for the Camaro V8..

also given smog laws it would need to still pass..

SLP?
Edelbrock?

ect..

looking at the SLP but its stage one only supplies 6 pounds of boost..
would like to see more along the lines of 8 to 9 pounds of boost.
Dont really want to get to the point of changing the injectors and cam..
want to keep this somewhat reasonable for the street..

then there is the second camaro that I am gong to build for racing..
what supercharger would you use there as well..


thanks guys..

New to this forum,, but an old guy, so if I am asking questions that seem stupid bare with me.. as I have had a lot of fumes from my nitro funny car days...
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:43 AM   #4
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Nice tune...


question for the pro's...

Given a choice which super charger would you go with for the Camaro V8..

also given smog laws it would need to still pass..

SLP?
Edelbrock?

ect..

looking at the SLP but its stage one only supplies 6 pounds of boost..
would like to see more along the lines of 8 to 9 pounds of boost.
Dont really want to get to the point of changing the injectors and cam..
want to keep this somewhat reasonable for the street..

then there is the second camaro that I am gong to build for racing..
what supercharger would you use there as well..


thanks guys..

New to this forum,, but an old guy, so if I am asking questions that seem stupid bare with me.. as I have had a lot of fumes from my nitro funny car days...
Of course this is a loaded topic and everyone has an opinion so my answer is solely based on; experience in working with all the supercharger manufactures, owning a performance facility and knowing the GEN5 car. That said and using the conditions you noted above, the E Force is a great option.

A roots blower on a 4000 lb car is a good choice. Rear wheel torque rules the street and a roots will get the job done over a centrifugal. It's a big enough blower to make 525 plus rear wheel. It also utilizes the Eaton 2300 TVS rotors which surely have been proven to be long lasting.

I also feel there brackets and hose connections are far superior.

Now if you wanted to make upwards of 800 HP there are better options.

It's also built in the USA and is 50 state emissions legal.

Just my .02...

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Old 08-06-2012, 07:54 AM   #5
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Great job Howard, these other shops need to spend some time at Greg's Calibrated Success classes to learn how to accurately tune these vehicles, as we have. Another fine vehicle out of Redline's shop, keep up the great work.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:55 AM   #6
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It would be nice if tere weren't so many fly by night tuners. I have seen some tunes from the bigs shops that look like crap.

If you know the fundamentals of tuning then the cars will drive, run, and make great power. Howard knows how to do all of these things. He is one of the best.

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Old 08-06-2012, 09:11 AM   #7
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It would be nice if tere weren't so many fly by night tuners. I have seen some tunes from the bigs shops that look like crap.

If you know the fundamentals of tuning then the cars will drive, run, and make great power. Howard knows how to do all of these things. He is one of the best.

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Thanks Shawn!

I'll get the check sent out to you posting that! LOL!

I think a lot of the issue is also that its one thing to understand the electronics but its another to understand engine dynamics. You need to put yourself inside the combustion chamber and understand whats happening and its effects on power output.

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Thanks Shawn!

I'll get the check sent out to you posting that! LOL!

I think a lot of the issue is also that its one thing to understand the electronics but its another to understand engine dynamics. You need to put yourself inside the combustion chamber and understand whats happening and its effects on power output.

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Hey where's the love, I mean other check> LOL.
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That's Awesome, serious gains there I'm sure the customer left with a huge Smile on his Face!!!!
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:40 PM   #10
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Hey where's the love, I mean other check> LOL.
The checks in the mail! You already know I love yah! LOL!

Sure I live in the state and I still have to wait until PRI to see yah!

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Nice tune...


question for the pro's...

Given a choice which super charger would you go with for the Camaro V8..

also given smog laws it would need to still pass..

SLP?
Edelbrock?

ect..

looking at the SLP but its stage one only supplies 6 pounds of boost..
would like to see more along the lines of 8 to 9 pounds of boost.
Dont really want to get to the point of changing the injectors and cam..
want to keep this somewhat reasonable for the street..

then there is the second camaro that I am gong to build for racing..
what supercharger would you use there as well..


thanks guys..

New to this forum,, but an old guy, so if I am asking questions that seem stupid bare with me.. as I have had a lot of fumes from my nitro funny car days...
This is coming from someone who is a Master WD for ALL S/C's on the market.

There is no question that the Whipple out performs every single SC currently on the market in Roots/Twin Screw configuration. There is MINIMAL HP/TQ difference down low and above 3500 it shines in terms of power making capability and intake air temperatures.

The install of the Whipple is also the cleanest looking IMO and uses OEM factory hoses, hose connections, etc.

At the same boost level, on the same day the Eforce and Maggy car run around 160* F and the Whipple car runs around 136F.

Let me know how I can help.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:04 PM   #12
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Tuners...lots. Good ones, few and far between.

Some good ones in this thread for sure.

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Old 08-06-2012, 05:39 PM   #13
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This is coming from someone who is a Master WD for ALL S/C's on the market.

There is no question that the Whipple out performs every single SC currently on the market in Roots/Twin Screw configuration. There is MINIMAL HP/TQ difference down low and above 3500 it shines in terms of power making capability and intake air temperatures.

The install of the Whipple is also the cleanest looking IMO and uses OEM factory hoses, hose connections, etc.

At the same boost level, on the same day the Eforce and Maggy car run around 160* F and the Whipple car runs around 136F.

Let me know how I can help.
Here we go the PAUL MEISTER show!

Maybe you should start your own thread for your WD promotion....

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Nice job Howard!!! Some shops have no clue what they are doing? The use weird tactics to real in customers
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Here we go the PAUL MEISTER show!

Maybe you should start your own thread for your WD promotion....

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The poster asked a question about blowers, that was directed at industry professionals. Being one, I gave my opinion just like you did yours about the E-Force. Stating I am a WD with each company simply shows that I sell and install more than my personal kit of choice.

For the poster, I should have mentioned that Edelbrock and Whipple, when using factory airboxes and exhaust will pass emissions and come with CARB certificates as well as engine warranties when using their tune and not changing anything from the kit as it is supplied. The Whipple does this with the 8psi desired

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Some good ones in this thread for sure.

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What super charger to use. An experience shop should allways ask. How do you plan to use your car, street, drag race 1/8 mile 1/4 mile, auto cross, road race corse and what do you expect from the car.
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Howard is truely a master tuner. He is tightly knit with GM sources and with his advanced shop, Dyno and vast experience there are no others that come close to his capabilities in South Florida. One try is all you will need to see what your car can evolve into. From basic bolt-ons to full custom engine builds, Redline is definately a one stop GM performance powerhouse.
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All I can say is that those that live close or even relativley close to one of the these great tuneing shops and to those that weren't mentioned are lucky. I live in eastern Washington state. I know of none here. I am getting ready to do the headers, cam and supercharger all in one shot, with no tuner local. I will have to reley on canned tunes to get started, and hope they work.
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What super charger to use. An experience shop should allways ask. How do you plan to use your car, street, drag race 1/8 mile 1/4 mile, auto cross, road race corse and what do you expect from the car.
That's exactly why I stated "based upon his conditions"....he's not a guy looking for 800 wheel and his requirements led us to recommend that unit from experience.

And of course I started my response with this is a "loaded topic" and open for debate.

Of course there are many choices in this country so each is on there own.

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Howard is truely a master tuner. He is tightly knit with GM sources and with his advanced shop, Dyno and vast experience there are no others that come close to his capabilities in South Florida. One try is all you will need to see what your car can evolve into. From basic bolt-ons to full custom engine builds, Redline is definately a one stop GM performance powerhouse.
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It's been my experience that most tuners focus too much if not solely on WOT tuning. Can't tell you how many cars I've seen that would barely idle and would surge/buck at low RPM's under load. WOT is the least used operating mode of a car, but it where tuners dedicate their time.
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It's been my experience that most tuners focus too much if not solely on WOT tuning. Can't tell you how many cars I've seen that would barely idle and would surge/buck at low RPM's under load. WOT is the least used operating mode of a car, but it where tuners dedicate their time.
so true. wot takes two seconds. idle takes an hour.
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