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Old 01-07-2008, 08:02 PM   #176
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camaro10, like you, I pray that they "cut open" those air vents. If there's one thing that I think is so cheasy, it's having air inlets, vents, etc that DON'T WORK. I think it's a waste even putting them on. One of my biggest complaints about the Mustang...air vents. My wifes 00 had them. The air vents in the sides were for show and the one in the hood didn't work either. CHEASY. I sure hope they cut'em open!!!

camarosc35, ^the Camaro has NOT been delayed until the end of 09.
Like I said, even if they don't make them functional. Just cut them open, put some kind of bar behind them so they don't bend/warp, whatever. JUST PULEEZZZEEEE cut them out!!!
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:15 PM   #177
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LOL...

I'm guessing most of you were not born when the Camaro first came out in the late 60's.
I myself had a yellow 69 back in the early 70's.
Compairing what I had with today style just doesn't do for me.
Son-in-law has a mustang and it sure looks like the ones from my early years and I'm sure Dodge Challenger, once it comes out will also remind me of those good ol'days. But this Camaro has no retro style.
BTY - Nobody has any comments about those backup lens. Guess you'll agree it doesn't look good.
Time to sign off and go play 18 holes of golf.
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Charger) to make decent profits, so dont go waving your Challenger banner as of yet. And to comment on your displeasure of the pre-production's blandness. Keep watchin! Im sure what you see now is not going to be all that you get.

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Old 01-07-2008, 08:24 PM   #178
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:25 PM   #179
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camaro10, like you, I pray that they "cut open" those air vents. If there's one thing that I think is so cheasy, it's having air inlets, vents, etc that DON'T WORK. I think it's a waste even putting them on. One of my biggest complaints about the Mustang...air vents. My wifes 00 had them. The air vents in the sides were for show and the one in the hood didn't work either. CHEASY. I sure hope they cut'em open!!!

camarosc35, ^the Camaro has NOT been delayed until the end of 09.
Exactly, do you want this?
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:38 PM   #181
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Vents, Vents, Vents, Now I'm getting worried about what the headlights will look like!!?????
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:46 PM   #182
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Scott, I love ya man, but why is it that automakers, all automakers, bring out these fabulous concepts to tease us and then water them down. Granted, ya'll are doing a good job keeping it as close as possible, but if it's not even possible to start with, why do you show it as a concept knowing people like me are going to whine when we can't have our show car! Not that the pre-production pics I've seen aren't awesome, but to loose the small things that made the concept so cool to start with. It's a bitter pill to swallow. I HAS to be worse for you. Anyway, thanks for pushing, I'm still stoked!
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:46 PM   #183
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To add to that, I can understand why a concept camaro that costs 2 million isn't going to be identical to a 25k production car, but why does the same thing happen to high end cars where the more expensive it is, the more people want it. Even these get watered down.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:59 PM   #184
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To add to that, I can understand why a concept camaro that costs 2 million isn't going to be identical to a 25k production car, but why does the same thing happen to high end cars where the more expensive it is, the more people want it. Even these get watered down.
I don't know the first thing about building a production car. But I can image there is a multitude of lessons learned that the GM Camaro5 team have with all their years of experience building cars.

For example the gas cap. Pretty much all of us agree the cool factor of it being where it is on the concept is well worth it. But maybe GM has learned that even though the purists think is cool the majority of potential owners will just complain about how hard it is to keep dripping gas off the body. Just a scenario. I can imagine plenty of people won't get the coolness of a trick gas cap and just think it is a dumb place to put it because they are lazy and won't be careful with the nozzle.

I have a hard time believing these guys don't put a serious amount of deliberation in the smallest detail of a production car. If it isn't based on lessons learned from the past, I'm sure it is based on keeping cost down.
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Old 01-07-2008, 11:05 PM   #185
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Or this...
Are we sure that since that view is more from the back of the vehicle, it could just be the way we're looking at the vents? The metal, or whatever material, could be raised so from the front it appears like the actual "holes" have been cut out but from the side and back, as in this picture, you don't see the "holes", but rather the "ridges" from the vents.
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Ugh. You don't have to be an enthusiast to know how to pump gas without spilling it. I hate how everything has to be dumbed down so that the idiots of the world can feel good about themselves.

As far as the vents, if they aren't functional (either for aerodynamic or cooling reasons) then I don't want anything there at all. But of course, I really hope they are there and serve some function.
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Old 01-07-2008, 11:52 PM   #187
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Vents or not, I hope they dont have them where the car is one color and the vents are painted black to give a facade of them being cut out! Either cut them out or dont. I prefer them to be cut out myself also.

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Camaro10, of course I want my 5th Gen as close to the concept as possible. What you see in the spy shot is not that great of a picture. We can't see a lot. And, there is yet to be a single pic of the air vents that actually shows whether or not the prototype has cut out vents.

As for the headlights, I recently heard that the Feds are going to eventually ban all of the regular old headlights...something about the environment...I dunno. But, that all headlights were to go to LED or something...a higher power light that is more environmental friendly. If this is so, I can PROMISE you, you won't see standard lights up there.

stovt, completely agree on the gas thing. If you have the ability to pump gas (the know how to pick up the pump, sipe a card, flip a switch, etc,), then you sure as heck should know how to keep gas from dripping on the paint. GM should take a step back... Realize that GM probably will get complaints from people years down the road that consumers will have problems w/ their paint peeling or something around the gas cap. People will bring their Camaro's back into the dealers service place complaining... And, this is where I would say...you don't know how to pump gas, do you... Tell'em to take a hike. And care more about your car.
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Are we sure that since that view is more from the back of the vehicle, it could just be the way we're looking at the vents? The metal, or whatever material, could be raised so from the front it appears like the actual "holes" have been cutht out but from the side and back, as in this picture, you don't see the "holes", but rather the "ridges" from the vents.
I've thought about that a few times, just never when I've been near my computer. The angles that we have seen may not allow us to see cut out vents. They go "back" not "in" so a side shot won't show anything
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Looking at the camo pics i don't see the fuel door on the passenger side either. I am wondering if they just haven't added the fuel door to these pre-production cars and just have a small fuel cell mounted inside the trunk. Remember the sign in the interior shots says that it contains less than 5 liters of fuel. Remember these aren't production versions yet. We might not be seing it because it isn't there at all.
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I just don't need to use those skills. I'm not losing them

It would be cleaner w/o them...yes. But I think it's sharper with them on. take a look. even on the prototype - they've got little facets that lead right into them from the surface of the fender.....very sharp.
I see your point... but i think I prefer the clean look over the sharp... nevertheless this whole back-up lamps thing has gotten pretty outta proportion on the net eh..... bashing over such a small thing..... like I mean I know I dont really like em..... but the lengths people will go to express there dislike for a small thing, wow, lol.... those autoblogs and stuff.... people filled em with junk ass comments!

In then end I don't really give two toot's about them really.... its the overall things your looking at needs to be right....

its like a hot girl..... she may have beautiful eyes(green to be exact for me), she may be tall and have long legs, nice flowing hair, the nicest rear end, etc... and then just because she has some weird looking toe-fingers.... you wouldn't have sex with her! Bullshit...... same goes for the Camaro.... like cummon guys..... for the minimal amount of money your gunna fork out comapred to rest of the car market your really gunna complain out back-up lamps, lol........

I guess im just ranting cuz after posting about the lamps i saw all the comments on the blogs... i felt guilty of being a whiner and i was like why all the hate man.... show some love people. On that note..... why is there no love for the Mustang on the forums here man, (oh boy i might get trashed for this oneon here, lol)..... I will agree and say the challenger really went to shit with there apparent "new car"..... but I think Mustang actually isn't that bad of a car.... although yes its much more retro, I think Ford did put a decent amount of thought into there car resulting in a decent car...... am I the only one that thinks that, lol (i assume im gunna get alotta yes's).
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I see your point... but i think I prefer the clean look over the sharp... nevertheless this whole back-up lamps thing has gotten pretty outta proportion on the net eh..... bashing over such a small thing..... like I mean I know I dont really like em..... but the lengths people will go to express there dislike for a small thing, wow, lol.... those autoblogs and stuff.... people filled em with junk ass comments!

In then end I don't really give two toot's about them really.... its the overall things your looking at needs to be right....

its like a hot girl..... she may have beautiful eyes(green to be exact for me), she may be tall and have long legs, nice flowing hair, the nicest rear end, etc... and then just because she has some weird looking toe-fingers.... you wouldn't have sex with her! Bullshit...... same goes for the Camaro.... like cummon guys..... for the minimal amount of money your gunna fork out comapred to rest of the car market your really gunna complain out back-up lamps, lol........

I guess im just ranting cuz after posting about the lamps i saw all the comments on the blogs... i felt guilty of being a whiner and i was like why all the hate man.... show some love people. On that note..... why is there no love for the Mustang on the forums here man, (oh boy i might get trashed for this oneon here, lol)..... I will agree and say the challenger really went to shit with there apparent "new car"..... but I think Mustang actually isn't that bad of a car.... although yes its much more retro, I think Ford did put a decent amount of thought into there car resulting in a decent car...... am I the only one that thinks that, lol (i assume im gunna get alotta yes's).

Srry guys, long day today.
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It must have been a long day....lol...you're quoting yourself!!

Naw...I've done it too...just messin' w/ ya.

And, for those that want to answer the specific Mustang/Challenger stuff, please do so in the proper threads. Sorry Jay...would like to try to keep this pix of no camo thread as "on topic" as possible. Sure you understand and thanks!
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It must have been a long day....lol...you're quoting yourself!!

Naw...I've done it too...just messin' w/ ya.

And, for those that want to answer the specific Mustang/Challenger stuff, please do so in the proper threads. Sorry Jay...would like to try to keep this pix of no camo thread as "on topic" as possible. Sure you understand and thanks!
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its like a hot girl..... she may have beautiful eyes(green to be exact for me), she may be tall and have long legs, nice flowing hair, the nicest rear end, etc... and then just because she has some weird looking toe-fingers.... you wouldn't have sex with her! Bullshit......
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Vents???

The Vents in front of the rear wheels are styling cues only , the 69 Camaro had the same style fake vents. I don't see a big deal about it... Like I said before if they had put the reverse lights in the inboard tail light or on in the lower Valence like the first Gen (67/68) it would have looked much better. But it isn't a deal breaker in my book. People can get so nit picky about certian stying clues (ie, reverse lights, On-Star antenna, vents, Gas cap location). that they miss the big picture. The big picture is THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD IT!!!.
You cannot please everyone about the styling of ANY car. So what some people hate others may love or it has no bearing on if they like or dislike the car. I for one have never liked every stying feature on any car I have owned, Have you?

Take the car for what it is intended, A modern Interpretation of what a 1st Gen Camaro would look like... I can see getting mad if all they were going to offer were 4 and V6 versions... that is a major issue.. these other issues are not worth whining about.

About the Gas cap on top of the rear fender.. Anyone remember the 68-70 Dodge Chargers? Where was the gas cap? On top of the left rear fender, It looked alot like the one on the concept Camaro, and in my opinion a DODGE styling clue has no business on a Camaro, BUT if it has it there I am not gonna hate the car, or complain about it, I will accept it that some like that style and if I want one I will have to take it as designed...
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The Vents aren't going to be functional. I'll find the video. It's to be an affordable car, folks - you really think they're going to spend time, and money with ducting to make them functional? That's not to say I wouldn't want them to be - I think it'd be cool.

As for cutting them out - IF I'm not mistaken...the first gens' were cut out, the scond gens had those vents on the sides for "engine heat" - those weren't functional, but they were cut out, the concepts were cut out....
Why not these? You really think they'd pull a Mustang, and not cut them out to at least look functional? Please. The prototypr pics/angles aren't good enough to see anything, anyways. Plus, who's to say that perhaps it was just an added step, that GM decided wasn't needed to be taken for a prototype vehicle?
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Looking at the camo pics i don't see the fuel door on the passenger side either. I am wondering if they just haven't added the fuel door to these pre-production cars and just have a small fuel cell mounted inside the trunk. Remember the sign in the interior shots says that it contains less than 5 liters of fuel. Remember these aren't production versions yet. We might not be seing it because it isn't there at all.
Maybe they'll put the gas cap behind the rear license plate like older cars... haha!
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That would be pretty cool if you ask me. It would keep the body uncluttered, plus it would be kinda classic!!
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stovt, completely agree on the gas thing. If you have the ability to pump gas (the know how to pick up the pump, sipe a card, flip a switch, etc,), then you sure as heck should know how to keep gas from dripping on the paint. GM should take a step back... Realize that GM probably will get complaints from people years down the road that consumers will have problems w/ their paint peeling or something around the gas cap. People will bring their Camaro's back into the dealers service place complaining... And, this is where I would say...you don't know how to pump gas, do you... Tell'em to take a hike. And care more about your car.
Don't get me wrong. I agree with both of you. But all of us know that there are people out there with more money than sense, or people who don't appreciate what they spend their money on. And unfortunately for us... They are the majority. And GM knows it. It will almost always come down to cost for the near term and long term (meaning the knucklheads out there that show up 3 years later complaining of faded paint). And not only does GM have to protect themselves from these gomers but they have to portect the gomer from himself. I Truly hope Scott is right when he says this is a car for the die hard Camaro fan.
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