1LE vs Boss (Automobile Magazine)

[Good2go]

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...2/viewall.html

[Lgndryhr]

Originally Posted by Good2go

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...2/viewall.html

Thanks for sharing!

Will read it during lunch.

[PYROLYSIS]

Ok, they say the 1LE is faster around a track. What track were they on and what were the numbers? Great read but they left out the most important part.

[Good2go]

I agree, not much info in this article.

[PYROLYSIS]

They picked the boss as their favorite because they feel it's more fun to drive. At least when the mags picked the ZL1 even though it was slower on the strip, they backed up their decision by mentioning superior handling in addition to its easy to drive nature. Automobile isn't really saying anything other than the Boss stirs their emotions. Not really a good enough explanation on its own.

[1LEE]

I'll have to check this out.

[b4z]

Lap times?

[2cnd chance]

WOW! This article is complete political spin. Except for their crazy summation they're telling us the Boss ain't the Boss!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

They picked the boss as their favorite because they feel it's more fun to drive. At least when the mags picked the ZL1 even though it was slower on the strip, they backed up their decision by mentioning superior handling in addition to its easy to drive nature. Automobile isn't really saying anything other than the Boss stirs their emotions. Not really a good enough explanation on its own.

What they are calling "fun" to drive is actually the chassis and handling characteristics showing their weaknesses and archaic designs.

[Mike2ss]

As different as these two cars are, this showdown is as close as it comes to a stalemate. All rational thinking puts the Camaro ahead of the Mustang. In addition to being the faster car, it's also significantly cheaper than the Boss. As a $3500 option on top of the SS's $33,535 starting price, the 1LE undercuts the Boss by a whopping $5960. Yet while you're turning faster laps in the 1LE, you'll be yearning for the involvement and the specialness of the Mustang. Everything that the Camaro package addresses -- body roll, gearing, and handling behavior -- were complaints we had about the SS back in 2010. The 1LE package comes off as a fix for what was broken rather than improving on an already excellent car. That's what the Boss 302 does.

The raucous Mustang installs itself in your subconscious with the viciousness of a drug addiction. Despite knowing there's an objectively better alternative with a Chevy badge, we are lured back to the Boss again and again. Its responsive chassis, competent handling, and brawny engine strike us in a psychological weak spot where emotions overrule sensibilities. We'd never question someone for making the rational choice of a Camaro SS 1LE, but reason be damned, the Boss 302 is the car we want.

While I love my camaro, I knda agree with the article, Chevy fixed an existing issue, and I will never let up, the 2012 1LE should have gotten an increase in HP.

[1LEE]

Originally Posted by Mike2ss

As different as these two cars are, this showdown is as close as it comes to a stalemate. All rational thinking puts the Camaro ahead of the Mustang. In addition to being the faster car, it's also significantly cheaper than the Boss. As a $3500 option on top of the SS's $33,535 starting price, the 1LE undercuts the Boss by a whopping $5960. Yet while you're turning faster laps in the 1LE, you'll be yearning for the involvement and the specialness of the Mustang. Everything that the Camaro package addresses -- body roll, gearing, and handling behavior -- were complaints we had about the SS back in 2010. The 1LE package comes off as a fix for what was broken rather than improving on an already excellent car. That's what the Boss 302 does.

The raucous Mustang installs itself in your subconscious with the viciousness of a drug addiction. Despite knowing there's an objectively better alternative with a Chevy badge, we are lured back to the Boss again and again. Its responsive chassis, competent handling, and brawny engine strike us in a psychological weak spot where emotions overrule sensibilities. We'd never question someone for making the rational choice of a Camaro SS 1LE, but reason be damned, the Boss 302 is the car we want.

While I love my camaro, I knda agree with the article, Chevy fixed an existing issue, and I will never let up, the 2012 1LE should have gotten an increase in HP.

The dual mode exhaust should provide some extra power (provides 6hp on the vettes.)

GM is notorious for under rating their engines, and instead of going through a whole validating process for 6hp extra (or so), they just rate it the same. Don't get so caught up on the need for extra power.... 426hp is nothing to be ashamed of, and due to the suspension, gearing, & tire upgrades it should hold its own just fine.

[strokerls1]

My 2013 1ss is WAY faster than the 2012 I had. I believe the addition of dual mode and electric p/s is good for ateast 20hp. I ran my brother's auto 5.0 at the track and I pulled him everytime up top. My car trapped 113mph. With the 1LE's new trans and rear end on top of the dual mode and electric p/s, I believe this car is a good bit quicker than GM is leading on

[1LEE]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

My 2013 1ss is WAY faster than the 2012 I had. I believe the addition of dual mode and electric p/s is good for ateast 20hp. I ran my brother's auto 5.0 at the track and I pulled him everytime up top. My car trapped 113mph. With the 1LE's new trans and rear end on top of the dual mode and electric p/s, I believe this car is a good bit quicker than GM is leading on

Thanks for posting this.... I would assume that the electric power steering would help as well.

Good to know.

[v6sonoma]

It doesn't matter what the track and times were. Chevy guys will buy the SS 1LE's and Ford guys will buy the slower and overpriced Boss 302's. Both will be happy. But the chevy guys will be winning! lol

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

My 2013 1ss is WAY faster than the 2012 I had. I believe the addition of dual mode and electric p/s is good for ateast 20hp. I ran my brother's auto 5.0 at the track and I pulled him everytime up top. My car trapped 113mph. With the 1LE's new trans and rear end on top of the dual mode and electric p/s, I believe this car is a good bit quicker than GM is leading on

Your SS is trapping as fast as ZL1s?

[1LEE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Your SS is trapping as fast as ZL1s?

ZL1's should be in the 118mph-119mph range.

113mph is right around what an SS should be trapping.

I've only seen one ZL1 trap 113mph & that was the one in the issue of Road & Track that was put up against the GTR. That ZL1 ran a 12.9 @ 113mph due to temp & elevation issues.

All other ZL1's I've read about trapped much higher.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mike2ss

As different as these two cars are, this showdown is as close as it comes to a stalemate. All rational thinking puts the Camaro ahead of the Mustang. In addition to being the faster car, it's also significantly cheaper than the Boss. As a $3500 option on top of the SS's $33,535 starting price, the 1LE undercuts the Boss by a whopping $5960. Yet while you're turning faster laps in the 1LE, you'll be yearning for the involvement and the specialness of the Mustang. Everything that the Camaro package addresses -- body roll, gearing, and handling behavior -- were complaints we had about the SS back in 2010. The 1LE package comes off as a fix for what was broken rather than improving on an already excellent car. That's what the Boss 302 does.

The raucous Mustang installs itself in your subconscious with the viciousness of a drug addiction. Despite knowing there's an objectively better alternative with a Chevy badge, we are lured back to the Boss again and again. Its responsive chassis, competent handling, and brawny engine strike us in a psychological weak spot where emotions overrule sensibilities. We'd never question someone for making the rational choice of a Camaro SS 1LE, but reason be damned, the Boss 302 is the car we want.

While I love my camaro, I knda agree with the article, Chevy fixed an existing issue, and I will never let up, the 2012 1LE should have gotten an increase in HP.

This is NOT a new model, it's a "track pack" option package for the SS.

"Winning our respect back, the 1LE remains surprisingly flat in corners with less body roll and more front-end grip than the Boss Mustang. And while the suspension changes keep understeer at bay, neither is the 1LE an oversteering lunatic. This Camaro can be pitched, chucked, and hurled into corners with reckless abandon and it remains a well-behaved, easily controlled pony.

The (Boss) rear end is quite loose and the front tires will push to the outside of a corner if they aren't coaxed into a turn. Boss's edgier handling requires you to exercise the brakes harder to set up for corner entry. And even when you're not lapping as fast as the 1LE, you'll find yourself working more to get a clean lap. So while the Camaro is the faster car around a road course, the Boss is the more engaging and entertaining car. It's a challenge to drive perfectly."

Their final statement is pure BS. What driver wants a car with these handling characteristics??? Whoever wrote this article is not a track driver!!! According to this write up the Boss is "Lipstick on a PIG!"

"Despite knowing there's an objectively better alternative with a Chevy badge, we are lured back to the Boss again and again."

ob·jec·tive·ly

[ ob jéktivlee ]

1.without bias: without being influenced by personal feelings
2.accurately: on the basis of fact, experience, or some measurable quality

Synonyms: impartially, dispassionately, neutrally, independently,

[Good2go]

Yes, Chevy "fixed" what was broke with the Camaro, but more importantly, the chassis setup, front-rear weight bias and platform solidity was built in from the beginning. All that was needed was fine tuning of bushings, tires, spring/rollbar/shock rates to create a superior performing vehicle accross the board.

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Your SS is trapping as fast as ZL1s?

Sad I know...

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

They picked the boss as their favorite because they feel it's more fun to drive. At least when the mags picked the ZL1 even though it was slower on the strip, they backed up their decision by mentioning superior handling in addition to its easy to drive nature. Automobile isn't really saying anything other than the Boss stirs their emotions. Not really a good enough explanation on its own.

I seemed to remember it being ok to pick the ZL1 even when in most tests the GT500 put up better numbers....which by the way. Where are the numbers???

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I seemed to remember it being ok to pick the ZL1 even when in most tests the GT500 put up better numbers....which by the way. Where are the numbers???

Correct, however the reason for the pick is that it was a better handling, more controllable and an all-around more refined car. In this case they chose the car that underperformed, handled worse and was overall less refined!

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I seemed to remember it being ok to pick the ZL1 even when in most tests the GT500 put up better numbers....which by the way. Where are the numbers???

I agree, I seem to recall it being ok to pick the car that was slower, but easier to drive, easier to live with.

Yet now when they pick the car that is slower, but picked it bc they enjoyed it more they are full of it????

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I agree, I seem to recall it being ok to pick the car that was slower, but easier to drive, easier to live with.

Yet now when they pick the car that is slower, but picked it bc they enjoyed it more they are full of it????

Correct, however the reason for the pick is that it was a better handling, more controllable and an all-around more refined car. In this case they chose the car that underperformed, handled worse and was overall less refined!

:i ono:

[shaffe]

But they also chose the car at didn't perform as well(zl1)

All I'm saying is I found it ironic how the camaro faithful here are mad they chose the slower car bc theynenjoyed the way it handled, rode, and the mostimportant part of buying a car like this the enjoyment they got from it.

Yet when they chose the zl1 with somewhat the same rationale it was praised despite being slower

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by shaffe

But they also chose the car at didn't perform as well(zl1)

All I'm saying is I found it ironic how the camaro faithful here are mad they chose the slower car bc theynenjoyed the way it handled, rode, and the mostimportant part of buying a car like this the enjoyment they got from it.

Yet when they chose the zl1 with somewhat the same rationale it was praised despite being slower

Reread their comments (see red comments in post #17) because your missing the difference. What they enjoyed in the Boss was its "lack of" refinement. The qualities they mention are not what one wants in a track car. There were no positives in what they liked, they just liked it for its (?) lack of ability. On the other hand they had nothing but positive remarks and positive results for the 1LE.

Yes the ZL1 did not win in all categories, but what they enjoyed was its enhanced refinement, some even calling it "sports car" like in it's track ability.

There is NO irony as these are 2 very very different things.