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Old 08-19-2012, 11:17 AM   #69
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Thanks Pete.
Ditto.

Couple questions for Pete, though.

Around 8:00 into the first video there's some sort of discussion going on. Care to share?

In the second video there seems to be a consistent buzzing noise under braking. Any idea what that was?


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Now Please everyone stop worrying about the 5Gen's weight!
Believe me, I'm trying. The cornering and handling performance levels are amazing.

What's a bit difficult for me is resolving that with the same characteristics of cars weighing barely half that, which is ultimately the comparison I keep coming back to because that's what sports cars used to weigh. I came this >| |< close to buying an MGB in 1970.

Back in the mid 1970's a friend of mine owned a 39xx lb big-block 2nd Gen Camaro. Mildly modified for autocross and brisk TSD rallye driving it was pretty good for its day. But these cars would all eat it for lunch at any venue you'd care to choose.

Further, I can't help but think that over a 20 minute track session there's still a bit to be had from a little less weight per mm of tire tread width. Particularly if the laps are being timed for Optima or similar purposes.


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Old 08-19-2012, 12:47 PM   #70
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Ditto.

Couple questions for Pete, though.

Around 8:00 into the first video there's some sort of discussion going on. Care to share? Brake pads. Another 'expert' underestimated the performance range of a dialed in 5th Gen. The brake fade was horrendous. We have that fixed

In the second video there seems to be a consistent buzzing noise under braking. Any idea what that was?

We tuck the in car microphone between the the seat back and bottom. It slipped out and was against the seat track.



Believe me, I'm trying. The cornering and handling performance levels are amazing.

What's a bit difficult for me is resolving that with the same characteristics of cars weighing barely half that, which is ultimately the comparison I keep coming back to because that's what sports cars used to weigh. I came this >| |< close to buying an MGB in 1970.

Back in the mid 1970's a friend of mine owned a 39xx lb big-block 2nd Gen Camaro. Mildly modified for autocross and brisk TSD rallye driving it was pretty good for its day. But these cars would all eat it for lunch at any venue you'd care to choose.

Further, I can't help but think that over a 20 minute track session there's still a bit to be had from a little less weight per mm of tire tread width. Particularly if the laps are being timed for Optima or similar purposes.


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Our quest is motivated by our affection for the 5th Gen. Anyone can buy a Vette or Porsche and be fast on track We think and have done this to those cars. The OPTIMA is based on ONE lap. We have to run above 200 tread wear tires. After the third hot lap the tires are going away and not getting better. To do well, your car and driver must be prepared to lay it down hot and fast. I watched a $450,000 Porsche with a pretty damn good driver run multiple sessions and laps trying to catch the L/28 time at Road America. He was very consistent, but as the day grew warmer the track starts to slip away, his tires never recovered and he never caught the L/28. His lap times fell by just the slightest tick each time he ran. By the end of the day he was just over a second slower than his best lap run in the first session.

A tiny ballerina can effortlessly perform gracefully. We are asking Dick Butkus to perform like that ballerina. Last ear Danny Popp drove Todd Rumpke's Vette to a stunning victory at the OPTIMA following SEMA. I think his road course time was over 4 seconds faster than #2. Danny and Todd have had the Vette at several OPTIMA events. The Vette has been refined and tuned since last year's OUSCI. We are running 3 to 4 seconds behind that car or good enough to have placed 2nd in 2011. We know that other cars will come back faster. We are still tweaking setups on the L/28 and Bruce Raymond's Camaro. We haven't put a finished car on track and yet we are close. It is up to me to get the best possible suspension under both cars. There are some 'special' pieces underneath both of them. I guess I have to make them more special
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Thanks, Pete, makes perfect sense.

The 200 TW limitation was also in place for the "Run To The Shore" event held at NJMP this past spring, and I noticed the same thing. Except that in my case as a total track newbie it was two or three sessions later rather than only 2 or 3 laps.


Side note - there were two 2010 Camaro entries at that event, and both of those drivers handed me my a$$ on the big track (but I salvaged a little by splitting between them in the autocross and speed-stop).

There's something about that analogy about making these cars dance that just fits the situation . . .


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Old 08-19-2012, 02:29 PM   #72
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I agree Pete, no doubt there are other cars more capable of certain types of racing. For weekends up in the mountains I drive a pretty tricked out Miata (what a blast EXTRA tossable. But for those of us that love the look (and memories brought back of 1Gens), we want to make the 5Gen as track worthy as possible which will be pure awesomeness. I look forward to days in the mountains with the Miata and track sessions at Road Atlanta with my Z28.
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:39 PM   #73
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My first car was a pristine 1964 Ford Fairlane. I had it about a month when my Dad wrecked it. He felt so bad I ended up with HEMI Charger. That was stolen and replaced with a 70 Charger. Then came the BMW 2002tii. Handling!!! Since that first super handling BMW I have wanted an American Muscle Car to out handle the imports. We are there with the 5th Gen. It only took me 40 years to get there.
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Nice! I had a 1976 Formula and then went to a 1979 Trans Am with the WS6 package. For back in the non-sporty car days (the mid to late 70's) I loved the feel of the stiffer Herb Adams designed suspension. As much as I love power I love a great handling car better. But given the chance I'll take both.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:37 PM   #75
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I do enjoy Z/28 history, BUT I would prefer to write a new chapter.



CAMARO TEAM,

TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS, BURN OUTS, PULL PORSCHES IN THE TURNS WITH AN LS7 Z/28.

Anyone else on board with this?
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CAMARO TEAM,

TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS, BURN OUTS, PULL PORSCHES IN THE TURNS WITH AN LS7 Z/28.

Anyone else on board with this?
Not sure how I missed this one.....

I'm on board!
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....Dodge dropped out of Nascar within the past week, it's uncertain what they are going to do in the future. It seems Ford has an unwaivering desire to dominate. GM s restructuring it's enterprise into a more Global positiion, moving forward beyond the old US centered model for a new, World Wide one. Thanks Obama.
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Gosh...you go away for a few days and new inmates try to take over the asylum...

Funny how Pontiac made both a Trans Am AND a Can Am model...
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Funny how Pontiac made both a Trans Am AND a Can Am model...
Pretty much any familiar name in a racing series except nascar (thankfully).
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I don't have a business degree. I have been taught if at first you don't succeed, try..try again. Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser...etc...etc... We are about winning. Sometimes the means justify the end. Sometimes we need to do it at all cost. Thats our way. The American way. It's not all about dollars and sense. It's about winning. It's time to win. Let's seize the moment GM/Chevy....all firework shows have a grand finale. Let's do it.....
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I don't have a business degree. I have been taught if at first you don't succeed, try..try again. Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser...etc...etc... We are about winning. Sometimes the means justify the end. Sometimes we need to do it at all cost. Thats our way. The American way. It's not all about dollars and sense. It's about winning. It's time to win. Let's seize the moment GM/Chevy....all firework shows have a grand finale. Let's do it.....


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I don't have a business degree. I have been taught if at first you don't succeed, try..try again. Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser...etc...etc... We are about winning. Sometimes the means justify the end. Sometimes we need to do it at all cost. Thats our way. The American way. It's not all about dollars and sense. It's about winning. It's time to win. Let's seize the moment GM/Chevy....all firework shows have a grand finale. Let's do it.....
Let me just ask what about the 5th Gen Camaro isn’t a big WIN for GM/Chevy to you? From hiatus to resurrection of the Camaro brand for the 5th Gen and beyond and now segment sales leader. It sells well, has good press, and projects a good image for GM and the Chevrolet brand and most importantly its profitable. What did they not succeed with? What goal did they not achieve with this car? What great American struggle does GM need to stop what they are doing and seize the moment for?

I know a certain model is currently missing from the lineup but this Camaro IS a major success so far. And with continuous improvement and development of the 6th Gen Camaro underway nobody at GM is thinking finale of any kind for Camaro.

The 2002 F-bodies were a grand finale; it's not a good thing.
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