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Old 08-29-2012, 01:24 PM   #126
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I might be thinking more of into the 90s then lol.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:00 PM   #127
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With all the various opinions expressed here all I can add is as long as the Z does debut once again, it needs to sound something on the order of this:
You will notice the plate that I've had since 1976 is just screaming we/I need a new Z/28, soon. Yes I still own the car. Yes I suspect I will buy a new Z/28

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Old 08-29-2012, 10:16 PM   #128
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With all the various opinions expressed here all I can add is as long as the Z does debut once again, it needs to sound something on the order of this:
You will notice the plate that I've had since 1976 is just screaming we/I need a new Z/28, soon. Yes I still own the car. Yes I suspect I will buy a new Z/28

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Is that a Matt Murphy chambered exhaust?
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:29 AM   #129
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With all the various opinions expressed here all I can add is as long as the Z does debut once again, it needs to sound something on the order of this:
That'd be neat precisely because it's 'raw', 'unrefined', and sounds like it's only barely restrained.

about getting that much cam to meet current emissions, though.


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Old 08-30-2012, 10:31 AM   #130
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i hope it comes back it has to for the 6th gen just has to. we have like what 3 years till it is for sale may be?
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:02 AM   #131
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They're not going to put a V6 of any kind in a car with the name Z/28 on it; these guys are car enthusiasts, not corporate suits from accounting. They know what the Z/28 was and they know what it needs to be.
Yeah and many people would have never thought that a full size truck would come with a twin turbo v-6 that out hauls, tows, and is faster than all the V-8 trucks produced by Ford and most other companies' V-8's.

Do you forget the 80's? They put Z-28 on cars that were very sub-par and had no problem doing it. If they think the name will sell cars they'll use it. You have to remember, those cars back in the day made the name Z-28. The name didn't make the car. Now that they have these iconic names they try to use them to make the car. Look at what chrysler has done with "Hemi". None of these modern motors/engines(threw that in for the guy that hates us to use motor when referring to the internal combustion engine) are real Hemis by design. When the Germans took over Chrysler they had a meeting to figure out how to sell that crap. They realized that Chrysler owned an iconic name and that if they starting slapping it on product it would sell. Look what Dodge truck sales did after they starting putting Hemi on them. The best thing about the 60's and early 70's cars were that the car made the name not the other way around.

Build a truly great car and give it a new name. If it is truly great the name will stand the test of time. It doesn't work the other way. I wouldn't give you 20 dollars for any of the 80's Z-28s just because they say Z-28.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:37 PM   #132
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I think the Z28 should get the 505hp 427. The ZL1 should also get the 427 but should remain supercharged. 600+hp?
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:02 PM   #133
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Is that a Matt Murphy chambered exhaust?
No it is not. I actually forget where I did buy them from since this was back in 1992. It is pretty much an exact replacement for OEM though as it looked, sounded and fit just like the ones I replaced.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:21 PM   #134
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Yeah and many people would have never thought that a full size truck would come with a twin turbo v-6 that out hauls, tows, and is faster than all the V-8 trucks produced by Ford and most other companies' V-8's.

Do you forget the 80's? They put Z-28 on cars that were very sub-par and had no problem doing it. If they think the name will sell cars they'll use it. You have to remember, those cars back in the day made the name Z-28. The name didn't make the car. Now that they have these iconic names they try to use them to make the car. Look at what chrysler has done with "Hemi". None of these modern motors/engines(threw that in for the guy that hates us to use motor when referring to the internal combustion engine) are real Hemis by design. When the Germans took over Chrysler they had a meeting to figure out how to sell that crap. They realized that Chrysler owned an iconic name and that if they starting slapping it on product it would sell. Look what Dodge truck sales did after they starting putting Hemi on them. The best thing about the 60's and early 70's cars were that the car made the name not the other way around.

Build a truly great car and give it a new name. If it is truly great the name will stand the test of time. It doesn't work the other way. I wouldn't give you 20 dollars for any of the 80's Z-28s just because they say Z-28.
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No it is not. I actually forget where I did buy them from since this was back in 1992. It is pretty much an exact replacement for OEM though as it looked, sounded and fit just like the ones I replaced.
The sound is iconic.
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:19 AM   #135
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I think the cost of the LS7 may make it difficult to outfit a Z/28 with an LS7 and keep the price of a Z/28 in line with where it needs to be. I could be wrong, but with an LS7, it could be difficult to keep the price of a Z/28 under $50K.
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Yeah and many people would have never thought that a full size truck would come with a twin turbo v-6 that out hauls, tows, and is faster than all the V-8 trucks produced by Ford and most other companies' V-8's.

Do you forget the 80's? They put Z-28 on cars that were very sub-par and had no problem doing it. If they think the name will sell cars they'll use it. You have to remember, those cars back in the day made the name Z-28. The name didn't make the car. Now that they have these iconic names they try to use them to make the car. Look at what chrysler has done with "Hemi". None of these modern motors/engines(threw that in for the guy that hates us to use motor when referring to the internal combustion engine) are real Hemis by design. When the Germans took over Chrysler they had a meeting to figure out how to sell that crap. They realized that Chrysler owned an iconic name and that if they starting slapping it on product it would sell. Look what Dodge truck sales did after they starting putting Hemi on them. The best thing about the 60's and early 70's cars were that the car made the name not the other way around.

Build a truly great car and give it a new name. If it is truly great the name will stand the test of time. It doesn't work the other way. I wouldn't give you 20 dollars for any of the 80's Z-28s just because they say Z-28.
I haven't forgotten the 80's by any means. However, these aren't the 80's. The 5th Gen isn't a retro remake. So far, the Camaro team has put real changes in each of it's "extra" models; the ZL1, COPO and 1LE all show serious thought and effort to make those cars be their namesake.

If they were going to simply slap a revered name from the past on a warmed-over version of a regular car just to make a fast buck they'd already have demonstrated that mentality. They haven't.

I fully expect they'll make the next Z/28 be truly worthy of the name.
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:08 AM   #137
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Doc I respectfully disagree on the zl1. That car was a bad ass 1/4 monster back in 69. The current car is way more of a corner carver
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Doc I respectfully disagree on the zl1. That car was a bad ass 1/4 monster back in 69. The current car is way more of a corner carver
Yeah it's somewhat of an oddity in that they put all this technology in it but it's not quite the 1/4 mile terror they might have thought it was going to be. The way it performed on the ring and even the fact that's where they were testing it highly suggests they were actually thinking it would be the next Z/28 but somehow it just wasn't/isn't. Even with it's impressive performance it's just too heavy.

It is much closer to the old ZL1 than anything else in the current line-up so that's probably why they gave it that name. It needs more power though and that's probably coming in the next model year.

The fact that the 1LE in early reviews, with 154 less hp is performing very close to the ZL1 on road courses shows the benefits of losing over 200 lbs; uber-technology notwithstanding. If you add 154 hp (without adding weight) to a 1LE it's going to walk away from a ZL1; magnetic super suspension or not.

My previous point is the Camaro team is investing a lot of effort into making each new model be more than just a name badge and some cosmetic changes. The ZL1 has a LOT of changes compared to a regular SS. The fact they did NOT give the ZL1 the Z/28 name shows they know very well what a true Z/28 has to be, and they aren't going to put that name on a Camaro until it's the real deal. That gives me the confidence they're going to do it right.
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Doc I respectfully disagree on the zl1. That car was a bad ass 1/4 monster back in 69. The current car is way more of a corner carver
While your statement has some validity, I still think the new ZL1 has more in common with the original ZL1 than it does with a Z/28. "Most powerful Camaro ever" as stated by Chevy/GM is much more in line with the original ZL1, the original ZL1 had the highest HP engine version available in the Camaro at that time utilizing a state of the art big block. The Z/28 back then was a SBC with very good HP output but a huge focus on being a track car. And while today's focus on the new ZL1 being "track ready" helped it to be an all around performer, the extra weight of the LSA engine with it's associated plumbing, etc. keeps it from being completely in the spirit of the first gen. Z/28 or even the spirit of a new Z/28. Just stop and think for a moment what the new ZL1 might have been capable of if it had near the same HP as the LSA version but 200 or more lbs. lighter (with most of that extra weight being in the nose).
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:14 PM   #141
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Doc I respectfully disagree on the zl1. That car was a bad ass 1/4 monster back in 69. The current car is way more of a corner carver
You could order a COPO ZL1 with many options. Some ordered it with the RS package and I believe a couple were ordered with a Z28-like suspension package. Yes rare, but done.

Also make no mistake the ZL1 was to be the Z28 until it was understood that it really didn't reflect the return to the Camaro's origins. Most powerful 12' = Most powerful 69'

I also have to believe there will be a 5Gen Z28 due to the fact that they named the 1LE the 1LE. Why not just name it a Z28? Because the Z28 is going to be something more!
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:33 PM   #142
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:40 PM   #143
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Trouble is they used a certified motor, the LSA, and did everything else underneath it to make it a be all to end all Camaro to satisfy every component of high performance and make it as dominating as possible across all fronts of the racing scene. Trouble is, due to power and weight ratio, it's underpowered. Why not up the power? Because of cost effectiveness, certification, and GM's long running approach with not telling the engine shop to upgrade a standing model vertified motor. GM does not upgrade motors, they make new ones. Off the shelf has, and is, the way to do things at GM with motors. Ford is different. We discussed this motor situation until blue in the face. fbodfather has explained all this to us about the expense, time factor, and lenghty envolvement it takes to bring a change to market with GM engines and the certification behind it. Certification. We have to dance with who brought us to the prom. As far as Z/28 goes, GM made enough cabbage over time on the LS7 program to make a balls to wall final exit of the current 1LE model powered by the LS7 at cost and kick Ford in the pants.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:59 AM   #144
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I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY GM NEVER BUILT

I RECREATED MY 2010 CAMARO TO LOOK LIKE A Z28 I HOUGHT GM WOULD HAVE BUILT THE CAMARO Z28
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:10 PM   #145
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Z28 THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT IT

I THINK GM SHOULD HAVE BUILT A Z28 ON PRICE POINT THE ZL1 IS A GREAT CAR BUT THE PRICE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD FOR THE AVERAGE GUY IN SCRANTON PA I WORKED FOR GM AN I REMEBER THE SS/R AND THE PRICE WE WENT TO A RIDE AND DRIVE AND TOLD THE GM REP HOW THAT CAR/TRUCK WOULD BE A FLOP BECAUSE OF PRICE AND USE ABILITY ???
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:17 PM   #146
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LOOK AT THE PICS

LOOK AT THE GUYS LOOKING THIS IS AT THE GM NATIONALS 2010
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I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE GM TO LOOK AT THESE PICK FROM THE GM NATIONALS IN 2010 LOOK AT THE GUYS LOOKING AT THE CAMARO Z28 THEY THOUGHT IT WAS THE NEW Z28 START LISTENING TO THE GUYS AND GALS BUYING THE CARS NOT THE GUY IN THE SUITS WITH GOLDEN SEATS IN A BIG OFFICE WHO PROBLEY NEVER WORK ON THE CAR
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Did you just rebadge an SS or are there more mods?
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Did you just rebadge an SS or are there more mods?
Does it really matter? Whatever was or was not done, it is still not a Z/28, nor will it ever be, and I'll leave it at that.
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Does it really matter? Whatever was or was not done, it is still not a Z/28, nor will it ever be, and I'll leave it at that.
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