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Old 08-24-2012, 01:45 AM   #86
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I think the focus in this thread is closing out the spectacular 5tg Gen run with the same excitement with which it arrived. If the 5th Gen can close out the model run by holding the title of sales and performance leader it would be devestating to tho 'other' brand while we celebrate the LS7 Z/28. Then the 6th Gen storms in and UPS the game while being a HUGE sales winner.

We are greedy in a good way.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:20 PM   #87
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To Karfan. This thread is about resurecting the Z/28 which I was referring to. You seem to have misunderstood my meaning. My mention of finale was taken out of context, as I was referring to the Gen 5 finale, and how we here would ike to see a LS7 Z/28 for that event. Pete in his response summed it all up better than I.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:36 AM   #88
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Definitely agree, the 5th gen has been profitable, but the excitement needs to continue for further success of the name. How many times do you hear this XX camaro I had was awesome, sometimes they just want to try to relive that moment so they buy a current one..if they never had that inspiration, would they buy a current one? The 5th gen Z/28 would be just that and be talked about if as much as much as its predecessors and will continue to feed future generations. Building the car isn't always about profiting on them, it should be somewhat about continuing a legacy and making its own..just build the car!!! We get sneak peeks of the capability of awesome they could put out, it just needs to hit he streets!!
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Old 08-25-2012, 11:19 AM   #89
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The Z/28 can't be just a street car. It developed the reputation it had because of it's performance on the racing circuit in the hands of the Penske/Donohue team. Right from the start it needs to be an active racing car in the hands of racing teams, with the features and design clearly aimed at winning on the track. That advertises the brand in a great and very visible way, and creates the "reputation" of that particular model on the street.

Al and the team know what they need to do to create and sell a Z/28. I'm just waiting for them to do it.
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The Z/28 can't be just a street car. It developed the reputation it had because of it's performance on the racing circuit in the hands of the Penske/Donohue team. Right from the start it needs to be an active racing car in the hands of racing teams, with the features and design clearly aimed at winning on the track. That advertises the brand in a great and very visible way, and creates the "reputation" of that particular model on the street.

Al and the team know what they need to do to create and sell a Z/28. I'm just waiting for them to do it.

Just as those who race Mustangs changed them to Boss 302R's those racing Camaros will change them to Z28's, when the time comes.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:22 PM   #91
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I agree. The time is in 2014. We have the ZL1, it's technology, the 1LE, and it's technology. We have an opportunity to mix those platforms with the Corvette's power plant. Off the shelf, it's all there, and it's all proven. Pete is in position to prescribe all the right ingredients. Play big, or go home GM, it's an HP chess game and there's no time to be conservative and lay back.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:11 AM   #92
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:11 AM   #93
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I love the first generation, especially, the 1969, and the early second generation, pre-1974, Z28s. I'd love to see Chevrolet produce a new Z28 that has the same essential qualities that those vehicles had. However, I'm not sure, given the constraints that the 5th generation Camaro has, whether it's possible for Chevrolet to produce a vehicle at an appropriate price point that can live up to the nameplate of the 1967 - 1973 Z28s. Unfortunately, I think we may have to wait until the 6th generation Camaro is released to see a Z28 produced. I hope I'm wrong, but only time will tell. I'm ready to get in line to purchase a new Z28 as soon as one which exhibits the qualities of those early vehicles is released.
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Not sure what you mean by constraints? However just look at what the very rigid chassis is able to do using the 1LE/SS package. If the LS7, superior brakes and better aero were add to the 1LE/SS just think of its capabilities. I'd say that's exactly if not more than was offered by the original 1Gen Z28.
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Not sure what you mean by constraints? However just look at what the very rigid chassis is able to do using the 1LE/SS package. If the LS7, superior brakes and better aero were add to the 1LE/SS just think of its capabilities. I'd say that's exactly if not more than was offered by the original 1Gen Z28.
And that's all very true. We have a 21'st century chasis with the Camaro. The old school, seat of the pants, squirrly Mustang chasis is basically the same technology as our old Camaro line that died in 2002. In 2012 it's just a year over year line enhancement and improvement from the same lineage. So, it's lighter, and less rigid, but they have a motor that can be upgraded in a modular fashion different than ours. But, our technology is ahead of theirs across a wider spectrum. The real game changer comes with the upcoming redesign of both models. Until then we have the opportunity to put out an off the shelf Z/28, that will a a mover and a shaker in the performance market.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:43 AM   #96
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Ok, heres my prediction for the Z28. It comes out as a 6th gen on the new chassis platform. The SS is dropped from the line and the Z28 badge replaces it. The engine will be a 302ci Direct Injected V8 making between 380 and 420hp. The second or third year of 6th gen Z28 will get a 1LE package just like the 5th gen did. I honestly think that other then some appearance packages, the 1LE will be the last major change to the 5th gen car. I would guess that most major development work is going into the 6th gen cars at this point.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:53 AM   #97
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Ok, heres my prediction for the Z28. It comes out as a 6th gen on the new chassis platform. The SS is dropped from the line and the Z28 badge replaces it. The engine will be a 302ci Direct Injected V8 making between 380 and 420hp. The second or third year of 6th gen Z28 will get a 1LE package just like the 5th gen did. I honestly think that other then some appearance packages, the 1LE will be the last major change to the 5th gen car. I would guess that most major development work is going into the 6th gen cars at this point.
Here's my variation on your prediction. I think the Z/28 will come out with the 6th gen the first debut year. The SS will NOT be dropped; it will still be the street muscle car with all the variations and luxury options. The Z/28 will be a true race-bred car and quickly become the hot item on the racing circuit. It will have the next generation V8, naturally aspirated and put out about 460 hp. It will have more advanced and tuned versions of what the 1LE has. It will have a unique front with functional brake cooling ducts, a unique hood with heat extraction and air pressure evacuation vents, and a rear spoiler specifically designed for track. It will come with removable tow-hooks. It will have cameras front and rear that allow you to record track video on an SD card for which there is a slot on the dash. The car's electronics will integrate with GPS and allow you to record performance telemetry along with your video.

It will cost about $48,995.

It will make Mustang owners long to be Camaro owners. It will be a man-car; misunderstood by women, lusted after by men. It will be.... bad-ass.
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Here's my variation on your prediction. I think the Z/28 will come out with the 6th gen the first debut year. The SS will NOT be dropped; it will still be the street muscle car with all the variations and luxury options. The Z/28 will be a true race-bred car and quickly become the hot item on the racing circuit. It will have the next generation V8, naturally aspirated and put out about 460 hp. It will have more advanced and tuned versions of what the 1LE has. It will have a unique front with functional brake cooling ducts, a unique hood with heat extraction and air pressure evacuation vents, and a rear spoiler specifically designed for track. It will come with removable tow-hooks. It will have cameras front and rear that allow you to record track video on an SD card for which there is a slot on the dash. The car's electronics will integrate with GPS and allow you to record performance telemetry along with your video.

It will cost about $48,995.

It will make Mustang owners long to be Camaro owners. It will be a man-car; misunderstood by women, lusted after by men. It will be.... bad-ass.
Now you're talking...I would pay 50K if it included everything that you described.
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Here's my variation on your prediction. I think the Z/28 will come out with the 6th gen the first debut year. The SS will NOT be dropped; it will still be the street muscle car with all the variations and luxury options. The Z/28 will be a true race-bred car and quickly become the hot item on the racing circuit. It will have the next generation V8, naturally aspirated and put out about 460 hp. It will have more advanced and tuned versions of what the 1LE has. It will have a unique front with functional brake cooling ducts, a unique hood with heat extraction and air pressure evacuation vents, and a rear spoiler specifically designed for track. It will come with removable tow-hooks. It will have cameras front and rear that allow you to record track video on an SD card for which there is a slot on the dash. The car's electronics will integrate with GPS and allow you to record performance telemetry along with your video.

It will cost about $48,995.

It will make Mustang owners long to be Camaro owners. It will be a man-car; misunderstood by women, lusted after by men. It will be.... bad-ass.
Sounds to me like your guessing that GM is using the 1LE as a test mule of sorts. Letting the customers test out how good the suspension is, then tweak it and make it better for the Z/28. I can totally see that happening.
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Sounds to me like your guessing that GM is using the 1LE as a test mule of sorts. Letting the customers test out how good the suspension is, then tweak it and make it better for the Z/28. I can totally see that happening.
Except that the chassis for the 6th gen will be different from the 5th and developing a suspension on it won't help the 6th gen.
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Ok, heres my prediction for the Z28. It comes out as a 6th gen on the new chassis platform. The SS is dropped from the line and the Z28 badge replaces it. The engine will be a 302ci Direct Injected V8 making between 380 and 420hp. The second or third year of 6th gen Z28 will get a 1LE package just like the 5th gen did. I honestly think that other then some appearance packages, the 1LE will be the last major change to the 5th gen car. I would guess that most major development work is going into the 6th gen cars at this point.
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