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Old 08-15-2012, 07:18 PM   #1
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ZL1 vs. Supercharged Challenger 392

I'm asking this out of complete curiosity.
Would the ZL1 keep up in a straight-line?
Any of the car guys on here know what a supercharged 392 can put down in the Challenger?

I know the ZL1 is a track monster so I'm really wondering about drag style racing here.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:49 PM   #2
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I'm guessing a 392 with 8 or 9 pounds of boost is going to be pushing the 600hp mark. So if the Challenger driver is decent and can get it all to the ground he will should take it.
I don't know anyone with a boosted hemi, I'm just rough guessing it. The SS's that I know that are running those boost numbers are in the 570 to 580 range so I figure the 392 should be a little higher.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:32 PM   #3
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Hemis are hard to boost, and its stupid expensive. Im doubting many of the 392 crowd are boosting yet, short of people with more money than what they know to do with lol. Im guessing they would make awesome power and be a straight line monster if they could get it to the ground. I'd bet on the Hemi sad to say. I'd probably bet on a blown SS over a zl1 in a straight line also in all honesty! Interesting question, let the bench racing begin!!! lol
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:38 PM   #4
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Have they even broke the ECU coding yet? Last I heard they couldn't crack it...
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:12 PM   #5
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Considering that many of them bone stock are running not to far behind many of the ZL1s that posted stock times, I would say a boosted 392 would dust a stock ZL1. Fastest stock 392 posted to date put down a 12.29. Many ZL1s have posted around that and some slower.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:19 PM   #6
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Have they even broke the ECU coding yet? Last I heard they couldn't crack it...
They haven't but there is ways around it. There are more boosted 392's than you think. B&G sells an upgraded ECU for 392's with bolt-ins such as long tubes CAI's and exhaust. That alone is dropping a half second off of an other wise stock 392. That alone could get a ZL1 beat with certain people behind the wheel
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A blown 392 would beat a stock ZL1......pretty easily too.
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A supercharged 392 would destroy a ZL1 in a straight line only. There aren't any out there so you have nothing to worry about.

Supercharged and Turbo 6.1 Cars are running 9's and 10's, that is what you have to worry about.
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Have they even broke the ECU coding yet? Last I heard they couldn't crack it...
Like the other guy said all I have seen is where people are replacing them with some expensive kit.
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A supercharged 392 would destroy a ZL1 in a straight line only. There aren't any out there so you have nothing to worry about.

Supercharged and Turbo 6.1 Cars are running 9's and 10's, that is what you have to worry about.
Yes are a few. Not many, but they do exist. check out the 392 fast list. They also run in the mid 11's.

The 392 has a nice long flat torque curve which helps to keep it moving.
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Sadly the reason I'm asking is because the next car I'm getting is going to be a V8. I'm undecided against the SS, ZL1, 392, and a GT500. The price ranges are within about $10k and I want ever really see a road course. There is Barbers Motorsports Park around here and that is it.

I know I could get an SS and for much less make it faster than the ZL1 and I want this car to be a weekend toy. I'll be keeping my V6 Camaro.

I'm not a fanboy of any brand and I like the style of each in its own respect.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:45 PM   #12
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For what your saying you want to do, I would go with the SS and use the extra cash to build a supercharged LS7 to drop in it. You could even go N/A LS7 if you want. The dealer, in Vegas, I bought my SS from had a built N/A LS7 in his Z06 that was making just over 700hp. He didn't even bother playing with dodges and mustangs. I was gunning down Lambos and Ferrari's with it.

You coulds also build and boost the LS3 to get those numbers too. If your not going to corner the car, you don't need the setup you get in the ZL1, and you can build the SS, including a drag suspension setup for what the Cobra will cost you.
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Sadly the reason I'm asking is because the next car I'm getting is going to be a V8. I'm undecided against the SS, ZL1, 392, and a GT500. The price ranges are within about $10k and I want ever really see a road course. There is Barbers Motorsports Park around here and that is it.

I know I could get an SS and for much less make it faster than the ZL1 and I want this car to be a weekend toy. I'll be keeping my V6 Camaro.

I'm not a fanboy of any brand and I like the style of each in its own respect.
If money is no object and you can get a hold of one, I would go with the GT500. I just don't see where you think there is only a 10 grand difference between that and an SS camaro though. It's more like a 20 grand difference.
You can get a great deal on a 392 right now and it will smoke an SS and some stock ZL1's if you can drive and he can't. Put a B&G ECU in and you'll have a very nice running car that doesn't brake the bank.
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If money is no object and you can get a hold of one, I would go with the GT500. I just don't see where you think there is only a 10 grand difference between that and an SS camaro though. It's more like a 20 grand difference.
You can get a great deal on a 392 right now and it will smoke an SS and some stock ZL1's if you can drive and he can't. Put a B&G ECU in and you'll have a very nice running car that doesn't brake the bank.
Yeah my bad, I was basing that loosely off the loaded 2SS/RS with sunroof and all. Still not that close though lol
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Yeah my bad, I was basing that loosely off the loaded 2SS/RS with sunroof and all. Still not that close though lol
If I was keeping my Camaro, I wouldn't want another one. I think it's more fun to change up once in awhile.
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Yes are a few. Not many, but they do exist. check out the 392 fast list. They also run in the mid 11's.

The 392 has a nice long flat torque curve which helps to keep it moving.
Yes, some tuners have installed the 2010 PCM to get around the Chrysler PCM revolving lock code. Those cars do not have all of the 2011+ PCM features and are considered by many in the community to be hack jobs.

Mid 11's out of an aftermarket 392 FI car is a joke compared to what the 6.1's are doing modded.

OP, get the ZL1! Its just an overall better package. I'd stay away from the Mopars for now. Many, many issues going on.
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Yes, some tuners have installed the 2010 PCM to get around the Chrysler PCM revolving lock code. Those cars do not have all of the 2011+ PCM features and are considered by many in the community to be hack jobs.

Mid 11's out of an aftermarket 392 FI car is a joke compared to what the 6.1's are doing modded.

OP, get the ZL1! Its just an overall better package. I'd stay away from the Mopars for now. Many, many issues going on.
Everybody is having problems right now. You only ever hear about the problems. The two supercharged 392's I've seen so far are far from hack jobs. Mid 11's is all he needs to beat a stock ZL1 and that was the question he ask. Like I said earlier. Some stock 392's are running what some ZL1's are running. You can't say that about a stock 6.1. I love the ZL1 and would buy one in a heart beat ,but the 392's are a great buy right now. The ZL1 is very hard to come by, and you will pay full price or more to own one.

Frankly between the ZL1 and the 2013 GT500, I think the GT500 is the better buy ,but they are damn near impossible to get too.
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Old 08-16-2012, 01:50 PM   #18
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if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi
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if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi
It's the 11's and up that have the PC Locked. The 10's have no problem with tuning. They're still the 6.1.
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if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi
Supposed to be an announcement at SEMA on what they are doing...wheter they are telling us to go pound salt or going to provide mopar tunes. Who knows....

I am by no means replacing my ECU. Read a few horror stories already and don't want to be one of those few. Plus the mileage is inevitable botched in your stock ECU from there on out.

I would love to get a tune on my charger...no doubt that would break me into the high 12's since stock mopar 11's have been seen running 13.2..........
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Is the ZL1 stock? I think with the average times that we have been seeing for the ZL1 at the strip thus far, it would have it's hands full with a stock 392 automatic car, never mind a blown car.
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Well I know 1st hand the 2010 SRT8 Challenger with a KB S/C 9-10lbs with et's of 11.2 will run around a ZL1 all day. So given that fact Im sure if the new 392s can be tuned(Dont know if they have the codes unlocked yet) and with a S/C the ZL1 is toast. Lets just all agree the ZL1 is not whats its cracked up to be in this modern muscle era.
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They haven't but there is ways around it. There are more boosted 392's than you think. B&G sells an upgraded ECU for 392's with bolt-ins such as long tubes CAI's and exhaust. That alone is dropping a half second off of an other wise stock 392. That alone could get a ZL1 beat with certain people behind the wheel
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