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Old 05-27-2009, 12:33 PM   #26
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11,000 for a supercharger kit, WOW !!!
Procharger's kit is just above $6,500 when released
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:35 PM   #27
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11,000 for a supercharger kit, WOW !!!
Procharger's kit is just above $5,500 when released
apples to oranges.

Installation and warranty are included plus all the other accessories to complete the system. Not that Prochargers are bad. But to do the same a procharger system would be about the same, probably a little less.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:41 PM   #28
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COOL!!! Shoot, add some LTs and you'd get pretty close to 600 RWHP (well, maybe 570 or so). The latest GMHTP has a Procharged G8 GT that they added ARHs to, and it picked up like 50 RWHP over the OEM manifolds and cats'. They even reused the OEM mufflers (the crossover was replaced with ARH's X-pipe). HUGE GAINS!!!

I bet that's only running 6-8 lbs. of boost. I have to admit, that base price is pretty good considering install and tuning. I think I'll have more fun doing the install myself, but I'd get the tuning done by my local guy.

Let's crank that boost up a few pounds, add some meth' injection, and see what we get to
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:08 PM   #29
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Have you guys developed/installed the bodykit yet? All I see are sketches on the website.
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:23 PM   #30
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apples to oranges.

Installation and warranty are included plus all the other accessories to complete the system. Not that Prochargers are bad. But to do the same a procharger system would be about the same, probably a little less.
Buying the warranty is definitely a plus. What I wanna know is what the warranty covers, if that info is available yet. And is there a checkbox for NOT including the Lingenfelter badging, so we can ride around and not be known?

radz...what do you mean by: GMHTP & ARHs?
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:30 PM   #31
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In the more efficient ones this is common. An example would be the stock eaton on the 03/04 cobras .. had power dropoff towards the top. The KB or Whipple twin screws did not have this and did really well on the top end ..

Looks like the new TVS are doing pretty good .

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I need to re-read the MM&FF article with the KB vs TVS comparo'. It was a 2.8 to a 2.3 and the KB ended-up performing better under circumstances, but I don't recall exactly what. I know that at the end of the article I felt the test wasn't exactly objective but I'll report back after reading it again and getting a fresh take. Like you said though, it seems like these TVSs are doing well. In every test I've seen it doesn't seem like power is trailing off at the top end at all. On the LSA/LS9 peak power is reached at cuel cut-off and the curve isn't starting to flatten-out at all; similar to all these Maggy' tests.

Very encouraging

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Buying the warranty is definitely a plus. What I wanna know is what the warranty covers, if that info is available yet. And is there a checkbox for NOT including the Lingenfelter badging, so we can ride around and not be known?

radz...what do you mean by: GMHTP & ARHs?
I'm sorry about that:

GMHTP - GM High Tech Performance (magazine)

ARH - American Racing Headers

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Old 05-27-2009, 01:51 PM   #32
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once again... "to expensive" yet.. when you get people here that want a SC Z28, there's talk of "i'll pay 10k more for it"


Great numbers!
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:06 PM   #33
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pretty cool to think if you pick up a 1ss used in a year or so and install one of these mostly yourself, you can have a pretty nice ride for really cheap.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:10 PM   #34
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Very nice. Too bad I'll never be able to afford that.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:15 PM   #35
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What about the cost to get the car back and forth??? it looks great, but im gunna hold out until something under 10k will put me at 550 rwhp
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:27 PM   #36
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once again... "to expensive" yet.. when you get people here that want a SC Z28, there's talk of "i'll pay 10k more for it"


Great numbers!
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They want more power, less weight, and a lower price. The Camaro is one of the cheapest cars when you compare HP & $$.

I would definitely buy one in about 4 years, I just don't know if GM is going to be here that long, or even make one by then. Worst case scenario, I buy one of these used in 2 years or so for myself, after my wife buys her new one
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:32 PM   #37
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Regarding the warranty....I'm reading this to only include a warranty on the supercharger and components. And I'm assuming that the GM drivetrain warranty would be voided by the dealer/manufacturer if the car ended up with a hole in a piston. Is that correct?
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:34 PM   #38
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Remember LPE can sell you a base kit as it is provided by Magnuson for 7450.00. IN regards to the TVS/Screw comparison, the screws are all hype...the ONLY thing they have over the TVS is size, and the 2300 will support 1000 BHP if you have the supporting mods to back it up.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:47 PM   #39
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I really like how it flattened out the torque curve even more and also diminished the power dropoff toward the higher end which is not to common for screw type chargers is it???.
not only that, but look at the TQ at 2200rpm!
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:48 PM   #40
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Did anyone notice that with that price you didn't get polished??? How much boost???
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:01 PM   #41
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We also offer a base package that does not include some of the added features. See the details below.

Camaro SS 2010 378 CID LS3 - TVS2300 Supercharger Base Install

Package includes:
- Magnuson TVS2300 Intercooled Supercharger kit
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- Magnuson 3/36 warranty on supercharger assembly
- Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
Base package price $8,995.00
the extra 2k is worth the extra stuff if your going to spend that kind of money on something might as well go balls to the wall, though still too much i'll wait...
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Impressive. But the question I will raise is:

Since the stock Ls3 is not a forge internals engine, how much can the stock internals, and drivetrain take before it goes....B O O M ?

If I have calculated this correctly, (I could be a bit off) those numbers should put you at about..610 Flywheel. that's a lot power running through stock components. And with GM's current situation, I somehow doubt highly that would be covered by a warranty.

So how much can a LS3 safely boost ?
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:13 PM   #43
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An LS3 block can take a hell of a lot of boost, the internals...no idea yet, 5-7 psi should be safe, you get a couple more over that and that's pushing it. All engines are going to be different, and there's always going to be some jerk that can run 3 more psi than everyone else and still be ok, if someone runs 2 psi less than his, their engine is going to go poof.

I didn't give you a solid answer, because I have no idea, but I know what's a good idea and what's not, so don't push it over 6psi until everyone and their grandma does it too.

BUT just keep in mind, "if something can go wrong it will". I guarantee some1 is going to hit 6psi and F up their engine, then going to complain because they voided their warranty and have nothing to drive.
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Impressive. But the question I will raise is:

Since the stock Ls3 is not a forge internals engine, how much can the stock internals, and drivetrain take before it goes....B O O M ?

If I have calculated this correctly, (I could be a bit off) those numbers should put you at about..610 Flywheel. that's a lot power running through stock components. And with GM's current situation, I somehow doubt highly that would be covered by a warranty.

So how much can a LS3 safely boost ?
IMHO this is reaching its limit for longevity. If I remember correctly the cast pistons are recommended no more than about 550hp. So at this level don’t expect 150k miles.
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IMHO this is reaching its limit for longevity. If I remember correctly the cast pistons are recommended no more than about 550hp. So at this level don’t expect 150k miles.
Definitely, if you wanna go faster, either get a bike or a 'vette.
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The Lingenfelter 2010 Camaro SS with Magnuson's MP2300 supercharger kit, modified air box with stock air filter, Lingenfelter 100 mm mass air sensor, 100 mm secondary zip tube, stock exhaust manifolds and Corsa's prototype full cat back exhaust system made 532 rwhp. See the dyno graph below.




Package Details

When Lingenfelter installs the Magnuson supercharger system we upgrade several components from the base Magnuson kit for better performance and reliability. Each car also gets Lingenfelter PCM programming that lets you benefit from the experience LPE has gained from installing hundreds of supercharger systems since 2001 when we first started offering the Magnuson superchargers as a package.

Package includes:
- TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Fuel system upgrades
- 160 Degree thermostat
- Boost bypass controller
- Kenne Bell Boost-a-pump fuel pump voltage booster
- Lingenfelter High Flow Air Intake
- Professional installation, testing and calibration
- Chassis dyno report before & after installation
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Lingenfelter 3 year/ 36,000 mile warranty
- Lingenfelter fender badges
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity

Package price - $10,995.00

Optional Items
Corsa stainless steel cat back exhaust - Price TBA



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The Lingenfelter 2010 Camaro SS with Magnuson's MP2300 supercharger kit, modified air box with stock air filter, Lingenfelter 100 mm mass air sensor, 100 mm secondary zip tube, stock exhaust manifolds and Corsa's prototype full cat back exhaust system made 532 rwhp. See the dyno graph below.




Package Details

When Lingenfelter installs the Magnuson supercharger system we upgrade several components from the base Magnuson kit for better performance and reliability. Each car also gets Lingenfelter PCM programming that lets you benefit from the experience LPE has gained from installing hundreds of supercharger systems since 2001 when we first started offering the Magnuson superchargers as a package.

Package includes:
- TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Fuel system upgrades
- 160 Degree thermostat
- Boost bypass controller
- Kenne Bell Boost-a-pump fuel pump voltage booster
- Lingenfelter High Flow Air Intake
- Professional installation, testing and calibration
- Chassis dyno report before & after installation
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Lingenfelter 3 year/ 36,000 mile warranty
- Lingenfelter fender badges
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity

Package price - $10,995.00

Optional Items
Corsa stainless steel cat back exhaust - Price TBA



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That a nice upgrade on HP but how will the rest of the powertrain handle that power, can it handle it....with out damage to something....????
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IN regards to the TVS/Screw comparison, the screws are all hype...the ONLY thing they have over the TVS is size, and the 2300 will support 1000 BHP if you have the supporting mods to back it up.
If you think screws are "all hype", then you really need to do some more research. Here is a graph of the KB on my car:

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This is on my 331cid engine and pushing ~12.5lbs of boost. Torque drop off on the big end is minimal and if you notice, the HP was still climbing when I let out of it at 6250. Those curves are quote a bit different than these:



What you don't see is the amount of heat being generated. The TVS (Roots) is going to produce a greater charge temperature per pound of boost than the twin screw. If you configured both blowers to produce 20lbs of boost, the TVS would proably see about 18,000rpm and a discharge temp of about 340 degrees whereas the twin screw would only need about 12,700 to produce the same 20lbs of boost and have discharge temps somewhere around 282 degrees.

Not only does the twin screw incur less parasitic loss (about 147hp is need to turn the TVS at 20lbs vs. the twin screw's 110hp) but it requires less rpm to do it with a significantly reduced inlet temperature. These are pretty much guesses on my part, but I think if you did a comparison of the two, the data would hold up for the most part.
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