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Old 05-27-2009, 02:49 PM   #51
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:54 PM   #52
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That a nice upgrade on HP but how will the rest of the powertrain handle that power, can it handle it....with out damage to something....????
I read that the tranny should hold up to about 600 BHP and the rear end was good for 650. The clutch is likely a different story, but that's not a biggie. I'd be a little more worried about the driveshaft and axles. Still, it doesn't sound like these power levels are really going to destroy the drivetrain so far. We'll find out
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:03 PM   #53
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If you think screws are "all hype", then you really need to do some more research. Here is a graph of the KB on my car:

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This is on my 331cid engine and pushing ~12.5lbs of boost. Torque drop off on the big end is minimal and if you notice, the HP was still climbing when I let out of it at 6250. Those curves are quote a bit different than these:



What you don't see is the amount of heat being generated. The TVS (Roots) is going to produce a greater charge temperature per pound of boost than the twin screw. If you configured both blowers to produce 20lbs of boost, the TVS would proably see about 18,000rpm and a discharge temp of about 340 degrees whereas the twin screw would only need about 12,700 to produce the same 20lbs of boost and have discharge temps somewhere around 282 degrees.

Not only does the twin screw incur less parasitic loss (about 147hp is need to turn the TVS at 20lbs vs. the twin screw's 110hp) but it requires less rpm to do it with a significantly reduced inlet temperature. These are pretty much guesses on my part, but I think if you did a comparison of the two, the data would hold up for the most part.
I need to do my research?

What are your discharge temps at 12 psi with that bell blower?? Spinning a 2300 in exess of 25K + RPM we never saw temperatures above 40* over ambient. In other words on a 100* day the discharge temps were 140 * +/- 10*. That being said, at 8 psi on my 1900 I NEVER see anything over 25-30* ambient.

As for the parasitic loss, if you can explain to me how you are able to unload the screw and make it as efficient at the Maguson @ highway speeds it would be great. A screw compressor by definition is a COMPRESSOR and is ALWAYS compressing. There is NO way it can be bypassed and there is no way it can possibly be cooler due to the simple fact that is always compressing the air.

As for your comment about a comparison, I would LOVE to do that. I have the engine, the dyno cell and the staff.....Bring the blower, the magazines and the beer and I am game.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:28 PM   #54
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[QUOTE=Kevin@Lingenfelter;522865]The Lingenfelter 2010 Camaro SS with Magnuson's MP2300 supercharger kit, modified air box with stock air filter, Lingenfelter 100 mm mass air sensor, 100 mm secondary zip tube, stock exhaust manifolds and Corsa's prototype full cat back exhaust system made 532 rwhp. See the dyno graph below.




Package Details

When Lingenfelter installs the Magnuson supercharger system we upgrade several components from the base Magnuson kit for better performance and reliability. Each car also gets Lingenfelter PCM programming that lets you benefit from the experience LPE has gained from installing hundreds of supercharger systems since 2001 when we first started offering the Magnuson superchargers as a package.

Package includes:
- TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Fuel system upgrades
- 160 Degree thermostat
- Boost bypass controller
- Kenne Bell Boost-a-pump fuel pump voltage booster
- Lingenfelter High Flow Air Intake
- Professional installation, testing and calibration
- Chassis dyno report before & after installation
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Lingenfelter 3 year/ 36,000 mile warranty
- Lingenfelter fender badges
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity

Package price - $10,995.00

Optional Items
Corsa stainless steel cat back exhaust - Price TBA



How come I'm not seeing anything powder coated black in the photos? Or what exactly gets powder coated black is what I'm asking. I'm very interested in this and maybe if I can talk the Mrs. into spending the cash on it I would contact Lingenfelter in a heartbeat.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:31 PM   #55
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:33 PM   #56
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I like it. I think a cross-country road trip is in my future...
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:34 PM   #57
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You know what, I'll let you Dustin, Ken and/or Jim duke it out, as I'm pretty much just a consumer when it comes to the twin screw/roots blower comparisons. I understand you are hawking the Magnuson blower and know way more about their capabilities than I likely ever will, but I also think you're being disingenuous when you say that the twin screws are all hype.

Sure, your blower might have advantages in some area, but every SAE article or paper that I have ever read confirms the fact that a twin screw supercharger is more efficient than a roots supercharger of equal displacement. I have also yet to see a roots blower outperform a TS on the track, either.

Sorry I rained on your parade.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:37 PM   #58
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this is great just seems like its pushing the capabilites of the engine without replacing some of the internals, which i don't see on that list.

I wondering how many miles you are actually going to get out of your car after putting this on. Especially if you push her hard often. Which, lets face it, thats why you would purchase this mod in the first place...
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:38 PM   #59
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...Sorry I rained on your parade.
you tend to do that a lot!

you can just take your research, logic, & personal experience and...
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:41 PM   #60
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you tend to do that a lot!
Don't you have a truck to wrench on or something?
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:50 PM   #61
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You know what, I'll let you Dustin, Ken and/or Jim duke it out, as I'm pretty much just a consumer when it comes to the twin screw/roots blower comparisons. I understand you are hawking the Magnuson blower and know way more about their capabilities than I likely ever will, but I also think you're being disingenuous when you say that the twin screws are all hype.

Sure, your blower might have advantages in some area, but every SAE article or paper that I have ever read confirms the fact that a twin screw supercharger is more efficient than a roots supercharger of equal displacement. I have also yet to see a roots blower outperform a TS on the track, either.

Sorry I rained on your parade.


Did not rain on my parade at all, I just answered your questions. I guess we are just at opposite ends of the spectum when it comes to superchargers, I say TVS you say Screw, I know what I know and you know what you know. Its all good my friend, I am not here to debate, only provide information.

As for being disingenuous, I have tested, installed, worked on, serviced, and provided customer service for BOTH FI options....the fewer complaints and returns were OBVIOUS. I am speaking from experience with BOTH camps, not just one.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:58 PM   #62
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:06 PM   #63
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wow thats a nice kit! What does the gt500 put to its rear wheels stock?
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:08 PM   #64
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Please get to work on the v6. I'll be out there next month when my 2LT/RS arrives.
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:09 PM   #65
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:19 PM   #66
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I just placed my order for this kit today and will be drop shipping my car to Decatur for Lingenfelter to pick it up. Thanks to Ryan at Lingenfelter who helped me out today!!
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #67
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I just placed my order for this kit today and will be drop shipping my car to Decatur for Lingenfelter to pick it up. Thanks to Ryan at Lingenfelter who helped me out today!!
Woah awesome!

When do you expect your car to be delivered to Lingenfelter?

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Thats sweet. I cant wait till they dyno one with full bolt ons.
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:40 PM   #69
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:46 PM   #71
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Chassis dyno sheet with more development work today 600 hp rear wheel

Here is the another run on the Camaro today with a set of American Racing G8 headers installed and a few other mods. Thanks Magnuson for an excellent supercharger kit.


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I need to do my research?

What are your discharge temps at 12 psi with that bell blower?? Spinning a 2300 in exess of 25K + RPM we never saw temperatures above 40* over ambient. In other words on a 100* day the discharge temps were 140 * +/- 10*. That being said, at 8 psi on my 1900 I NEVER see anything over 25-30* ambient.

As for the parasitic loss, if you can explain to me how you are able to unload the screw and make it as efficient at the Maguson @ highway speeds it would be great. A screw compressor by definition is a COMPRESSOR and is ALWAYS compressing. There is NO way it can be bypassed and there is no way it can possibly be cooler due to the simple fact that is always compressing the air.

As for your comment about a comparison, I would LOVE to do that. I have the engine, the dyno cell and the staff.....Bring the blower, the magazines and the beer and I am game.
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Did not rain on my parade at all, I just answered your questions. I guess we are just at opposite ends of the spectum when it comes to superchargers, I say TVS you say Screw, I know what I know and you know what you know. Its all good my friend, I am not here to debate, only provide information.

As for being disingenuous, I have tested, installed, worked on, serviced, and provided customer service for BOTH FI options....the fewer complaints and returns were OBVIOUS. I am speaking from experience with BOTH camps, not just one.
This was exactly the kind of information I've been looking for and wanting to understand. Thanks for pointing those points out

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Woah awesome!

When do you expect your car to be delivered to Lingenfelter?

Make sure to give us a detailed writeup of your ownership experience when the time comes.
That sounds like it's going to be a great experience!

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LOL - WTF?!!!
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Here is the another run on the Camaro today with a set of American Racing G8 headers installed. Thanks Magnuson for an excellent supercharger kit.

OMG!!! I KNEW IT!!! WOW!!!
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Woah awesome!

When do you expect your car to be delivered to Lingenfelter?

Make sure to give us a detailed writeup of your ownership experience when the time comes.

My car was at 3000 as of a couple weeks ago but I am not sure what its at today. I haven't been checking on it since then I think about it all the time. It was suppose to get shipped to Karl Chev in IA but now I am working it out to get drop shipped to Courtesy Motors in Decatur, IN. I also went with the Borla Stinger Exhaust.

I will definately detail everything along the way and keep you guys informed, as I a very excited as well!!!
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Here is the another run on the Camaro today with a set of American Racing G8 headers installed. Thanks Magnuson for an excellent supercharger kit.

These guys diserve a standing ovation for getting this kind of set up out so quick. I mean the camaro has just been released.
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