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Old 01-04-2008, 10:09 AM   #26
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Scott, as always, it is great to see you posting and giving us the reassurance that we, as enthusiasts, always seem to need from time to time... we all really appreciate it when you take time out of your busy work and life to keep us informed

when I first saw the interior, I was ecstatic... to me, there was a definite line of "production ready" and "still in the works" parts inside the car... if you look in this pic http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09C...thumb1280x1280 you can see that there is black tape around the area that I would presume is the screen that will go above the radio and AC controls... to me, that means that it is taped in place and that, to me, means that from there up is not a final draft... the steering wheel is obviously still under development (to those that think its too big in the center, I must remind you that there will have to be an airbag in that center section, so dont be too harsh on the design team and remember that form sometimes has to follow function), the materials are all one color and they're all made from the same type of plastic (which is something that GM generally doesn't do anymore) and tape appears to be holding up the tach and speedo gauges... which, btw, show a very fast speedo with a tach that redlines at 6k rpms.

all in all, I am VERY happy and excited with the progress... perhaps its the engineer in me, but I just love to see rough drawings and development pictures of cars... and it was very hard for me to accept that my job as a husband was more important than a dream job at GM when I saw that GM was hiring about a year ago... so keep the pics coming and we'll keep on defending the name on every front we can :salute:

consider the Faith kept, Scott, and we look forward to seeing more and hearing more from you in the near future.


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Old 01-04-2008, 04:28 PM   #27
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well I know your not to happy with the leaked photos but for me (and Im sure thousands of others) its like a breath of new life. Im military ( so you know pay isnt the best) and I got a 2001 camaro with 147K miles on it. And with the military handing out bone jobs as usual, my camaro savings are severely suffering...not to mention they might be forcing me out due to injury (sorry about the rambling) but with the lack of info out here about our beloved FBODY Its so hard not to just bite the bullet and get and get another car. from where I live to base Is 100 miles round trip (long story) so Ill be 200K+ miles in no time. so seeing those pics just gave me the motivation to keep on picking up that tool bag and keep my 4th gen up and running. and "keep the faith" that Ill somehow be able to buy that beautiful fifth gen
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Old 01-04-2008, 04:50 PM   #28
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Scott, This will be my very first Camaro ( I had two mustangs a 72 an 89, both long gone) and I've just got to thank you and Mr. Bob Lutz for making this happen. I got to tell you from looking at the leaked pics of the inside (sure the insides rough, but doesn't take away from the smooth feel of it.) an outside I'm very happy with what I see. Now if you could just tell me what the v-8's gonna be I promise I won't tell anyone. . Please keep up the fantastic work.
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Old 01-04-2008, 05:16 PM   #29
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^Knew I forget something in my post.

Okay my final point here: the Camaro is going to be my first own car that I've payed for. And there's a reason why I'm working towards that, because I love this car.
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Old 01-04-2008, 09:59 PM   #30
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Thank you Scott for being so close to the enthusiasts and interacting as you do, I dont think any other car company would do such a thing. I was a little but not very skeptical on how the Camaro will turn out after seeing the first camo pics released but soon after you said "Keep The Faith" I have taken your word and have full confidence the Camaro will be GREAT! Now that I think about it, even if for some reason you guys put in a FWD 4cyl into the car, called it a Camaro and slapped in interior like my Cavalier, I would probably still buy it just because its still a Camaro(I pray this doesnt happen though ). I will keep my faith and if all my financial plans work out, I WILL be in a new Camaro.
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Old 01-08-2008, 03:26 PM   #31
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Old 01-08-2008, 04:36 PM   #32
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Anyone who likes Camaros should like him . . .
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:37 PM   #33
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Scott spoke at one of our events, great guy to be friends with. The one thing you don't really hear about is Ford or Chrysler being this involved with their "loyal customers".

We are part of an exceptional car community, keep up the good work Scott, ( and Chevrolet )
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:55 PM   #34
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Close to the concept

Thank you for your post regarding the 2010 Camaro. I always new the Camaro would be back and am so glad it finally will return at the end of the year. When I saw the concept at the Chicago Auto Show I decided then and there that I had to have one.
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:45 AM   #35
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Scott, You said at the beginning of this thread:
"3. Mules are usually painted white for a good reason -- I'll get into that one of these days -- but yes -- we know some of you don't want white -- but we aren't about to paint 'em every shade of the rainbow for testing.....patience, my friend -- patience!"
So why are they painted white? Is that why we have the triangle paint now? Can you tell me of the triangle paint jobs which one is the v8 and which is the v6? My guess is White w/ Black triangles -v8 Black with white triangles v6. I feel like my 10 year old at the autoshow asking you all these questions.
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:57 AM   #36
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the black and white ones were older. the black has been ordered to be removed. And test cars tend to be painted white because it hides detail very well. thats my way of thinking at least
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Old 02-19-2008, 09:15 PM   #37
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Fbodfather... or anyone else who can give some clarification.

...i was wondering if you could expand on the safety issue with the gas cap location.

I understand that the safety was 'part' of the issue...if i recall reading somewhere in here correctly. and it was even compared to the fact that lamborghini gets away with it. your reply was that the camaro and ghini are two different cars.

Forgive me, i'm trying to apply logic to this...but I'm falling short. It would sit easier with me, if were merely a cost thing. I can understand that the ghini is a different car...by class alone. So deducing that they are in different classes, i come to the conclusion (rather assumption) that regulations are different based on class. fair enough...

but why is it that the Audi TT or a VW Beetle can have a fuel door located essentially in the same place? i'm guessing that it can't be under totally different regulations, as it would seem to me that they'd be in perhaps even heavier restricted classes vs. the ghini...

Also if the location were truely a safety issue, then why was it even incorporated into the concept at all...was it not perceived that it would be a safety issue? I understand the word concept...but i would think a peice of eye candy like the location of the fuel door, the way it was so enticing, just as all other aspects of the car, that it was included with the intentions of having it look that way.

i mean....i'll take the camaro no matter where it is! i was wondering if you could/would dig into it a little more for those of us who will miss the original concept presentation of it.

maybe i'm reading into it too much... maybe its because of where the gas tank is located in comparison to all the other cars mentioned...or all the other parts are located that makes it a real safety issue... i'm just reaching for clarification. this is not a rant by any means.... so please don't take it that way. i'm just trying to compute!
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Old 02-19-2008, 09:48 PM   #38
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I'd like to offer up my views on many of the topics you raise. Though - just to clarify: I'm not on the team. I don't work for GM...and I haven't seen the Camaro 'naked'...so take my insight for what it's worth.m
I'm trusting Scott's word as it's all the real info we've got. And his word is worth a darn good bit.

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Forgive me, i'm trying to apply logic to this...but I'm falling short. It would sit easier with me, if were merely a cost thing. I can understand that the ghini is a different car...by class alone. So deducing that they are in different classes, i come to the conclusion (rather assumption) that regulations are different based on class. fair enough...
Though this may be true (again, I'm not in the Auto industry), I think the real difference comes from chassis, and where things are connected underneath all those gorgeous body panels. The Zeta-chassis is an entirely different bird than the lambo. The piping required for a fender-top gas cap may have required movement of the C-pillar...effecting crash-test ratings...

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but why is it that the Audi TT or a VW Beetle can have a fuel door located essentially in the same place? i'm guessing that it can't be under totally different regulations, as it would seem to me that they'd be in perhaps even heavier restricted classes vs. the ghini...
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Also if the location were truely a safety issue, then why was it even incorporated into the concept at all...was it not perceived that it would be a safety issue? I understand the word concept...but i would think a peice of eye candy like the location of the fuel door, the way it was so enticing, just as all other aspects of the car, that it was included with the intentions of having it look that way.
The concept was not (we are told) designed with actually building it in mind. I'm sure the hope was there, but it was more to guage the response to a ressurection of the car. Obviously, it was a resounding 'Yes'. And so the duty then became to try and keep that overwhelmingly well-recieved design as intact as possible for production. Changes had to be made, as we are seeing. Almost all for regulation purposes...the rest for cost and practicality. (billet shifters, and real gold bowties cost a lot.)

Also, it may have been worth it to note that the concept was built off of a heavily modified Cadillac chassis....

And Scott would have to chime in here, as I've never been close enough to really tell...but I would imagine that the functional gas cap on the concept was in the trunk with all the rest of the 'not-pretty' stuff. (could you imagine spilling gas on that paintjob?!?! )


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maybe i'm reading into it too much... maybe its because of where the gas tank is located in comparison to all the other cars mentioned...or all the other parts are located that makes it a real safety issue... i'm just reaching for clarification. this is not a rant by any means.... so please don't take it that way. i'm just trying to compute!
I won't try and sway your opinions as to whether you're reading into it too much or not - I'm just presenting facts. But the internet has allowed us to watch the concept to production process more closely than ever before...it really is astounding. And with this newfound 'sight' come just as many negative consequences as good ones - for some, the idea that Pre-production test vehicles are *not meant to be seen* hasn't sunk in...and so judgments are made, tempers flare - and situations become ugly fast. On the other hand - witnessing these subtle changes allows us to digest them all easier, instead of swallowing the whole thing at once and ending with a 'wtf?'.

No change that I've seen made has come of as design-altering to me...I honestly believe that if you put the concept and the production car together(as it is so often said), the average buyer would have quite a time trying to point out all the differences quickly as we all could. After all. We ARE enthusiasts!

And please, ask all the questions you'd like - that why we're here!!
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:21 PM   #39
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darn it, if we're not getting a real solid gold bowtie then I'm out. That's a deal breaker right there
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:50 PM   #40
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cool... makes sense dragoneye. i was coming to that conclusion towards the end of my post...as far as body parts moving under those beautiful panels...

i agree with you though... there haven't been any MAJOR styling changes that have happened that would stray me from buying this car.

on another note...

i'm a loyal car owner, and avid fan of enthusiast sites. i simply cannot wait until people in here start getting their new camaros, it's going to be a pic posting shmorgishborg!

I can't get mine until the Fall of '09 :-( BUT that will be around the time that I hope the price gauging has tapered off, and perhaps I can even get one for under msrp!

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:31 PM   #41
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darn it, if we're not getting a real solid gold bowtie then I'm out. That's a deal breaker right there
Sorry, it'll be too heavy, you gotta think less weight.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:07 AM   #43
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I won't see this thing until 2010 (in a UK dealer) so I bet, by then, there will be Camaros running round with relocated fuel fillers, smoothed door handles and all sorts... not to mention original, concept-sized, wheels
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the headlights

i know the headlights on the mules are temps but i like the fact that it is different. the mustang has the same light set up as the concept. if the production model came out with four lights in a different arangement i think it would look sweet.
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