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Old 08-17-2012, 06:04 PM   #1
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Wink emblempros<-"added" Your Opinion please?!

I would like everyone's honest opinion Please.

In the first picture we have a from factory, GM, Camaro SS emblem S that comes on our cars(titled "Chevrolet S"). I have singled out just one S for clarification, sorry for the dirt.

The second S is from an aftermarket company(titled "aftermarket S")

The question: Simply, are they the same? If I may guide you to certain aspects that I believe to be "wrong" with the aftermarket one...Look closely at the horizontal lines in red of both. Are they all the same height? Which ones are wider or narrower?

Disclaimer: The results of this are just for my personal satisfaction and will not be used against anyone or anything!!

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P.S. I will post my opinions later on.
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #2
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But I see the obvious differences you see, which could also be an optical illusion from the raised edge of the factory emblem.


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Ok, let's have this discussion.

We are Brand X or S or whatever. This guy bought these one year ago and because someone or more than one person thought these were 5's he is throwing a fit.

Emailed me this morning and lastnight threatening to go on Camaro5 if I did not change my design: I may post his email to prove it.
Making threats and attempting to hurt someones business is where I draw the line. I am very busy here. Since I did not respond the way he had hoped: Here he is making good on his threat.

So here are some pictures of the exact same "S" its the same one we always use. Just different sizes to fit the application.

The Dreaded 55 / R5 bowtie.


The L5 grill emblem we make


Did not want to forget the 255/ R5


The 55 fender emblem


The 1LT/ R5 bowtie


2LT/R5 black etching


And last but not least the 255 trunk emblem

SO, OK. All joking aside for a moment, here is a simple line drawing of an actual "5"


So judge it for yourself. If you need more pictures, I have a ton of them.

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Old 08-17-2012, 11:32 PM   #4
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OP you are splitting hairs. It looks like the oem "S" or at least close enough.
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Looks fine to me, looks aftermarket but you know...it is. If you dig factory emblems luckily the car comes with them, if you want custom/aftermarket I think these look pretty good. My .02 cents.
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If you waited a year, that is your fault. If you are complaining saying that the S looks like 5, then sue GM and tell us how that works out lol. Really you are threatening them? Act mature.
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If this is "threatening" then I don't know what nice is!!! In our conversations I was only trying to provide customer feedback so they might be able to fix or edit their design because it is not correct. The emblems aren't right...period, but guaranteed I won't buy from them again, especially now.

These are totally unedited, except for the pictures that didn't make it it seems.



Original e-mail from me:

"Roger, I first want to say that I have ordered a few emblems and they all look great, no issues with quality! I do have to provide some input, if you will, on the "2SS" badges I purchased and put on my car. Since putting them on my car every person that has commented on them(because they look great!) has asked me what "255" is. Now after several of these comments it started to bug me so I looked at the emblems a little closer to try and figure out why they were saying that. I do in fact believe the emblems are a bit "off"(for lack of a better term). Comparing yours to the original SS that comes on the car it seems your "S" is not even on top and bottom of the curl(hope you understand this). To me they do look more like "5's" because of this. Specifically the lower gap in the "S" looks a bit wider than the top gap which is what makes it look like a "5". I began looking for replacement pieces to put there and have settled on the V-Flag from a 1967 Camaro, which I think will look great(already purchased from someone else, mostly due to my light wallet). I have no doubt in your products quality and in no way want anything from you!! I just want you to be aware so you can handle it how you want to. My suggestion would be to somehow equal out those upper and lower gaps in the S's. I was initially going to post in the Camaro5 forums but that didn't seem right, but then again I think it's good for people to know my story if they're thinking of buying those emblems, if they will stay the same.


I appreciate your time and hope this helps!"

Then, my reply to his reply! Again, no threats! He obviously believes or is trying to sell the emblems are correct and anyone can plainly see they are not. The pictures can't be copied and pasted from an e-mail I guess.

My Reply to his reply
Not trying to argue BUT, notice on the picture I am sending, the bottom portion of the S is bigger than the top 2, the top one slightly bigger than the middle, and the middle one slightly smaller than the other 2. On the stock S all the horizontals are almost the exact same size with the middle possibly a touch, and I mean a touch, bigger. IMO the 2SS emblem is off, by quite a bit looking at it again. Maybe it's the silver surround on it but even on the far right S the bottom is wider(top to bottom). I don't have a way to measure the 2SS one, compared to stock, but I really believe it is off quite a bit. Not sure who approved it or why but it's not the same as stock, no way.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Roger Neace <sales@emblempros.com> wrote:

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Allen,

The bottom space is indeed larger on the factory piece. As you can see in this image of the factory logo.
In fact ours is a little more evenly spaced than the factory ones are. when GM approved an emblem they approve it for being correct. If it is not correct they will not approve it.
I have been able to tweak them some since you bought yours a year ago, but the one you have is correct.

Anyone that knows these cars knows what it the logo is. The GM fonts are weird sometimes. Here is a only one example: I can give you others if you wish.

This is the "Official" LSA engine logo. I have to make them this way.
The "S" is a backwards "Z". To me it does not look right, but I did not design it.
And I am sure that these car owners get asked why is that a backwards "Z" a lot.
Looks nothing like an "S".
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:59 AM   #8
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After the e-mails I wanted to post the pictures here to get opinions and maybe at some point let other potential customers know the emblems are "off"! I believe the emblem is wrong, and still do, and wanted others' opinions to verify what I see. That's all! Apparently they took it personal, which is BAD business IMO! I'm the one with money I'll never get back sitting on a shelf all wrong and pretty.......
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dude chill.. emblem pros are a respectable company.. ive never heard anything bad about them till now and its because the corners on "SS" are a little squared? i personally like the squared letters better.. they go with the camaro fender emblems.. i still dont understand why you waited a year?
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5eriou5ly, guy5. Thi5 i5 5illy. Thank5 for the 5upport.
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I recently recieved my new RS emblems from them and all I've gotten are compliments, it looks just like the factory S to me.
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I was just wanting opinions and to see if I was the only one who saw it.

I appreciate EVERYONE's opinion!

Apparently I have higher standards than most and that's ok.


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5eriou5ly, guy5. Thi5 i5 5illy. Thank5 for the 5upport.
You were caught in a blatant lie. I'd call it silly to if I were you. Just sayin'.

Not once did I bad mouth you or your company yet you did it to me, a paying customer! Awesome!


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1) No one lied about anything. These are GM approved for being right.

2) No one bad mouthed you. No one even knows your name, but me.
Nothing was ever said about you personlly at all.

3) Here is your threat, that you deny saying. It is straight from your email.
"I was initially going to post in the Camaro5 forums but that didn't seem right, but then again I think it's good for people to know my story if they're thinking of buying those emblems, if they will stay the same.

So. if I do not change the design, you will just do what you threatened to do. Which you did. So your are correct it is no longer a threat, it has been done. Do I need to notify the moderators? Now I think I will anyway.

And frankly I do not need customers who under the disguise of being "friendly" threaten me to change an already GM approved part. It's not going to happen.

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What lie would that be? Would it be the one where I said you were going to come on here if I didn't change my GM approved designs for you? Look below in exactly what you quoted from our emails. Just in case you aren't able to find your own veiled threat, I have bolded it in red

You're laughable, man. The only one being dishonest here is you. Take your money and do whatever you want with it; we don't want it. If it's one thing that is absolutely true in business it is that the customer is not always right, and we do not want everyone's business. If you don't like the product that you bought, I'm sorry. You've had no problem with it for a year, and I don't see anyone taking your side here in this public opinion thread. I'm not trying to toot our own horn here, but that design has been approved as a licensed product. We will not change all of our files to satisfy you. It really is that simple. I think our bowties posted above look pretty darn good with what you would call "5"s on them.

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If this is "threatening" then I don't know what nice is!!! In our conversations I was only trying to provide customer feedback so they might be able to fix or edit their design because it is not correct. The emblems aren't right...period, but guaranteed I won't buy from them again, especially now.

These are totally unedited, except for the pictures that didn't make it it seems.




Original e-mail:

"Roger, I first want to say that I have ordered a few emblems and they all look great, no issues with quality! I do have to provide some input, if you will, on the "2SS" badges I purchased and put on my car. Since putting them on my car every person that has commented on them(because they look great!) has asked me what "255" is. Now after several of these comments it started to bug me so I looked at the emblems a little closer to try and figure out why they were saying that. I do in fact believe the emblems are a bit "off"(for lack of a better term). Comparing yours to the original SS that comes on the car it seems your "S" is not even on top and bottom of the curl(hope you understand this). To me they do look more like "5's" because of this. Specifically the lower gap in the "S" looks a bit wider than the top gap which is what makes it look like a "5". I began looking for replacement pieces to put there and have settled on the V-Flag from a 1967 Camaro, which I think will look great(already purchased from someone else, mostly due to my light wallet). I have no doubt in your products quality and in no way want anything from you!! I just want you to be aware so you can handle it how you want to. My suggestion would be to somehow equal out those upper and lower gaps in the S's. I was initially going to post in the Camaro5 forums but that didn't seem right, but then again I think it's good for people to know my story if they're thinking of buying those emblems, if they will stay the same.


I appreciate your time and hope this helps!"

Then, my reply to his reply! Again, no threats! He obviously believes or is trying to sell the emblems are correct and anyone can plainly see they are not. The pictures can't be copied and pasted from an e-mail I guess.

Not trying to argue BUT, notice on the picture I am sending, the bottom portion of the S is bigger than the top 2, the top one slightly bigger than the middle, and the middle one slightly smaller than the other 2. On the stock S all the horizontals are almost the exact same size with the middle possibly a touch, and I mean a touch, bigger. IMO the 2SS emblem is off, by quite a bit looking at it again. Maybe it's the silver surround on it but even on the far right S the bottom is wider(top to bottom). I don't have a way to measure the 2SS one, compared to stock, but I really believe it is off quite a bit. Not sure who approved it or why but it's not the same as stock, no way.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Roger Neace <sales@emblempros.com> wrote:

Allen,

The bottom space is indeed larger on the factory piece. As you can see in this image of the factory logo.
In fact ours is a little more evenly spaced than the factory ones are. when GM approved an emblem they approve it for being correct. If it is not correct they will not approve it.
I have been able to tweak them some since you bought yours a year ago, but the one you have is correct.

Anyone that knows these cars knows what it the logo is. The GM fonts are weird sometimes. Here is a only one example: I can give you others if you wish.

This is the "Official" LSA engine logo. I have to make them this way.
The "S" is a backwards "Z". To me it does not look right, but I did not design it.
And I am sure that these car owners get asked why is that a backwards "Z" a lot.
Looks nothing like an "S".
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i (as a QC Engineer in a former life) think the aftermarket "S" is slightly off, but not enough to be an issue. Their stuff looks very good, and being a former GM employee, let me tell you, it has to be right (or damn frikkin' close!!) to get that license!

i believe the issue is with the border; here i have a quick photoshop of the aftermarket "S" to illustrate my opinion.

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notice the effect of having the dark line in the upper loop of the "S" makes it look much smaller.

again, just my humble opinion, no horse in this race!
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Me posting on the forums was not a threat, as I stated in the email! It was to be an informational post for anyone buying your product with an S on it and the fact that it isn't exactly as the original. That's it! No hidden meaning, no "veiled threats", or anything negative. I even gave your company praise for the great looking products you produce and I probably would still, even after this. I just wanted to give my opinion to your company and maybe help your company make it better. Why you would come on here and blast me like I was going to come there and raise hell is just crazy to me. But then again, I don't have your business or your stress. I never asked for anything! I still do not want anything! Never did! Well, maybe just a thank you would have been nice!!

For those that want jump on me. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Mine is just that as well, MY OPINION. bashing me is rudimentary to the subject and doesn't prove or help anything. If you must know, I "waited" a year because I keep my car in a garage when not driving it and, with it being summer, it gets much more attention, I suppose, and with that, more compliments. I stated many times and will state it again, the emblems look great, they just aren't exact. Haters are gonna hate!


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i (as a QC Engineer in a former life) think the aftermarket "S" is slightly off, but not enough to be an issue. Their stuff looks very good, and being a former GM employee, let me tell you, it has to be right (or damn frikkin' close!!) to get that license!

i believe the issue is with the border; here i have a quick photoshop of the aftermarket "S" to illustrate my opinion.

edited;


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notice the effect of having the dark line in the upper loop of the "S" makes it look much smaller.

again, just my humble opinion, no horse in this race!
I too am a perfectionist of sorts and things like this eat at me. I appreciate your opinion and want to ask, are both pictures you posted of the same S?

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I too am a perfectionist of sorts and things like this eat at me. I appreciate your opinion and want to ask, are both pictures you posted of the same S?

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Nevermind, I see it.

Summary:

The middle horizontal line on the original(OEM) is a tad larger than the top and bottom. On emblempro's the bottom is larger. Basically.


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I too am a perfectionist of sorts and things like this eat at me. I appreciate your opinion and want to ask, are both pictures you posted of the same S?

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exactly the same, all i did was "gray out" the dark part of the upper loop, didn't change anything else whatsoever!
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I have bought from EmblemPros and will continue to do so as I need/want more from them. I have a question for the OP. Are these still on your car?
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I have bought from EmblemPros and will continue to do so as I need/want more from them. I have a question for the OP. Are these still on your car?
I stated it above but the answer is no.

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I have bought from EmblemPros and will continue to do so as I need/want more from them. I have a question for the OP. Are these still on your car?
I'm such a hater that I forgot to change my avatar, lol. Thanks for the comment. Probably would have left it there for who knows how long.


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To sum up my thoughts on all of this:
So we do not come off as "we dont ever accomodate customers needs"

1) We sell items on the site that are what we call stock items. This includes some items with a little customization. We cannot really alter these much. Simply because we have some long term customers, and have had some parts for sale for more than 9 years. If someone needs a replacement part, we have to be able to reproduce it exactly like the first time they bought it.
So, we do not change the stock designs unless there is some imperitave reason for doing so..

2) But, If you see a stock item on our site and want it made to your specific needs or wants, I will be more than happy to accomodate what you want within our fabrication abilities.
As a one off or custom item, I have absolutely no issues doing that for anyone. I have done it many times over the years. Many times for members on this forum. Way too many to even count.

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