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Old 04-05-2010, 07:20 AM   #1
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Physics Question on 2SS Performance

While tracking my new car by rail to Birmingham, AL, I began pondering this question. The last "muscle" car I bought (for my then, wife), was a 1989 Mustang Convertible GT 5.0. While I'm not a huge Ford fan, it was pretty fun to drive, and I clearly remember the zip it produced when I got into it. Here's my question after comparing some HP/weight statistics. My new Camaro will have roughly a 60% increase in horsepower to weight ratio over that Mustang. Does this translate literally/linearly? In other words, should I reasonably expect the G force felt through acceleration to be 60% more than that Mustang? Should my new Camaro cover 1600 ft as that Mustang only managed 1000 ft? Will my Camaro be going through 80 mph as that Mustang went through 50 mph? If any or all of this remotely true, my already heightened anticipation will jump ten fold. I don't know that much about car physics, but was confident that someone here could analyze this for me. If it doesn't work like this, what is a better estimation on the performance increase?
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:34 AM   #2
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I say there are too many intangibles. You have to consider a plethora of other statistics i.e. gearing,(rear end and transmission) wheel size, driver, etc.
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:43 AM   #3
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While tracking my new car by rail to Birmingham, AL, I began pondering this question. The last "muscle" car I bought (for my then, wife), was a 1989 Mustang Convertible GT 5.0. While I'm not a huge Ford fan, it was pretty fun to drive, and I clearly remember the zip it produced when I got into it. Here's my question after comparing some HP/weight statistics. My new Camaro will have roughly a 60% increase in horsepower to weight ratio over that Mustang. Does this translate literally/linearly? In other words should I reasonably expect the G force felt through acceleration to be 60% more than that Mustang? Should my new Camaro cover 1600 ft as that Mustang only managed 1000 ft? Will my Camaro be going through 80 mph as that Mustang went through 50 mph? If any or all of this remotely true, my already heightened anticipation will jump ten fold. I don't know that much about car physics, but was confident that someone here could analyze this for me.
a short answer to your long question...

no it won't. I will be faster but it doesn't work like that.
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:49 AM   #5
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Need to consider traction first of all and a host of other factors like drag. It will be faster but the literal performance is not a linear relationship.
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:58 AM   #6
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The only thing that I can be certain of is the grin that flooring that new Camaro will put on your face will be 100% bigger than the grin that you experienced with that 5.0


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Old 04-05-2010, 08:26 AM   #7
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I had a Mustang GT and also had a 2004 Cobra. The Camaro is WAY faster than the GT. A well modded Cobra will tear a stock Camaro SS a new one. Of course, a well modded Cobra will tear a new one in most everything out there. LOL! I miss the Cobra, but I love this new Camaro too!
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:49 AM   #8
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I had an '85 Mustang GT convertible and at the time I thought that car was the fastest vehicle ever made! What a rush it was for me when flooring the gas!
Later on, I got a '98 Camaro SS and I thought, "Wow - this makes the Mustang seem so slow!" ...and I thought this car was the fastest thing in the world!
It's all relative and I'm just thinkin' that you will get used to what you have.
Not sure how much is physics and how much is perception.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:51 AM   #9
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:53 AM   #10
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1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 0 to 60 6.2 1/4 mile 14.8
There are stock SS's into the 12's
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:18 AM   #11
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Here's all you need to know:

1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 0 to 60 6.2 1/4 mile 14.8
There are stock SS's into the 12's

w/ 0-60 times a hair under 5s

no, not the fastest car in the world. but SO MUCH FUN!
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:24 AM   #12
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Just get in it and floor it, you will be very happy with the results
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:43 AM   #13
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Just get in it and floor it, you will be very happy with the results

what he said.
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It will bury the @$$ of any and all passengers deep into the seats when properly flogged. Is that what you were asking? lol It's a lot quicker than that old 5.0 even with is big old beautiful tub of a rear.
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1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 0 to 60 6.2 1/4 mile 14.8
And just fyi, the V6 Camaro's are capable of pulling similar times to this ^ Just a tad better in fact.
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:06 PM   #16
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Need to consider traction first of all and a host of other factors like drag. It will be faster but the literal performance is not a linear relationship.
Blueclyde is correct. Gearing, HP, weight, tire type/size, short answer is:
NOPE! [F=ma, where F=force, m=mass, a=acceleration (i'm sure there are several more that apply that I am too lazy to post)]
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:37 PM   #17
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This has nothing to do with the post but remdds everytime I see your avatar it just makes my day.

OK back to regularly scheduled programming. Just forget about the physics and enjoy it!
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:53 PM   #18
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Anyone been to T3 in 3D Imax?

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you might be thinking to hard about this one. or just really bored.
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While tracking my new car by rail to Birmingham, AL, I began pondering this question. The last "muscle" car I bought (for my then, wife), was a 1989 Mustang Convertible GT 5.0. While I'm not a huge Ford fan, it was pretty fun to drive, and I clearly remember the zip it produced when I got into it. Here's my question after comparing some HP/weight statistics. My new Camaro will have roughly a 60% increase in horsepower to weight ratio over that Mustang. Does this translate literally/linearly? In other words, should I reasonably expect the G force felt through acceleration to be 60% more than that Mustang? Should my new Camaro cover 1600 ft as that Mustang only managed 1000 ft? Will my Camaro be going through 80 mph as that Mustang went through 50 mph? If any or all of this remotely true, my already heightened anticipation will jump ten fold. I don't know that much about car physics, but was confident that someone here could analyze this for me. If it doesn't work like this, what is a better estimation on the performance increase?
No.

You have 60% more horsepower, but not everything will be increased linear by 60%. Too many factors play into it: weight, gearing, traction, aerodynamics, and the individual engine hp and torque curves.

My bike only has 116hp (73% LESS than my LS3), but the bike will do 0-60 in 3.8s, which is a couple of seconds faster than the Camaro. Make sense?
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Old 06-30-2011, 02:38 PM   #21
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Old 06-30-2011, 02:40 PM   #22
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The SS is amazingly fast, too fast for regular streets if you arent careful. But it is also a modern car and, as such, quite a bit heavier than older ones. That extra mass takes more to get moving, and also shifts more when turning. That being said, we already know the HP#s from 'back then' where not calculated the same way as they are now.. Our 400hp is considerably more power than 400hp from the 60s/70s.
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I think the speed "feel" is very deceiving in the SS. If you are going through the gears without looking at the speedo, you don't realize just how fast you are going.
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if the rustang weighs in at 3400lbs and has 210 hp, and does the quater in 14.8 as posted above, then as a rule of thumb, 100lbs gain or loss equates to .1 second et. the camaro weighs about 3800lbs and has double the hp and goes low 13s say 13.2. if the rustang gained 400 lbs then that would put it about 15.2. so now you are looking at 2 seconds for increase of 210 or so, horsepower. big difference but not 60% faster. for example it would take another 200 hp to shave the next second off the quater mile time.
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Amazingly, I think that made sense, in a convoluted kind of way.
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