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Old 05-30-2009, 01:58 PM   #171
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Ha, thems factory scratches bud. but i'll survive!

When I posted the "fix" i guessed that it would only take one hour for somebody to jack my picture, hack it up, slam my photo abilities, and defend the general! well, it didnt happen as fast as i thought, but it DID happen. you guys are so predictable!
i admire your tanacity. if i were in a fight, i want you on my side!

to recap my seating position for you... seat 100% DOWN and laid back a bit.
maybe it is the seat? i have never felt that the seat gets low enough... but if i mentioned that, folks would tell me that i didnt know how to use the switch!
maybe your torso is shorter than your legs (folks are different) or maybe my ass is too big which makes me sit too high!

think what you want about my pictures and experience but it was a problem for me and now its fixed and i'm happy. try it, you just might like it! i think it looks better and EVERYONE could use a little more visibility regardless of height or seating position.
i'll bet that some folks that have bashed me here will do this patch and never tell a soul!

oh yea, one last pic for ya:
Funny how if folks don't agree with you they are assumed to be 'defending the general' or 'drinking the Kool-Aid'.


What's next? Perhaps a muffler fix that involves a coat hanger and some duct tape?

Personally, if I find issue with it, I would look for a cleaner fix than leaving exposed wires and an upside down mirror that I have to look at every time I drive...a constant reminder that I was too lazy to do it right....

Looking at your pics...and combined with your 'I don't use OnStar'...it would have easy enough to disconnect the mirror, tuck the connector back up into the headliner, order/find a 'non-OnStar' mirror and snap it into the stalk, replace the wire guide and voila...clean and effective. I wondering who'll be the first to properly relocate the OnStar buttons to the headliner panel....


and one last thing...your pic are taken from a slightly different perspective that obviously exaggerates your point... Notice in your first picture we see NO steering wheel...second picture we see plenty of steering wheel. I'm not suggesting the visibility is not an issue...but you're being pretty righteous in your 'position' and your quest to defend it.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:07 PM   #172
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Funny how if folks don't agree with you they are assumed to be 'defending the general' or 'drinking the Kool-Aid'.


What's next? Perhaps a muffler fix that involves a coat hanger and some duct tape?

Personally, if I find issue with it, I would look for a cleaner fix than leaving exposed wires and an upside down mirror that I have to look at every time I drive...a constant reminder that I was too lazy to do it right....

Looking at your pics...and combined with your 'I don't use OnStar'...it would have easy enough to disconnect the mirror, tuck the connector back up into the headliner, order/find a 'non-OnStar' mirror and snap it into the stalk, replace the wire guide and voila...clean and effective. I wondering who'll be the first to properly relocate the OnStar buttons to the headliner panel....

well if gm would have put a decent sized mirror in in the first place such as the one in the 1ss maybe people wouldnt have a problem like this. i am sorry i would rather have my mirror upside down like that to while i find a permanent solution to the problem rather than hit a car in my brand new 40 thousand dollar car because i couldnt see it. i dont know for sure if this will be a problem for me i know i sat in one last week and that mirror stuck out like a sore thumb and a major blind spot. now granted i didnt have long in the car so i didnt play with the mirror or the seats so i dont know whether i would end up having to do this or not but if it comes to safety for me and other people i would do it in a heartbeat. i know i myself will keep onstar people i know that have it love it.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:10 PM   #173
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slightly different angle but if you compare how much of the dash you see its pretty close he was just looking more forward from what i see in the after pic.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:36 PM   #174
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slightly different angle but if you compare how much of the dash you see its pretty close he was just looking more forward from what i see in the after pic.
Look at the drivers side visor...perspective is very different.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:53 PM   #175
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well maybe he also lowered the seat as well? i dont know for sure. just saying you get on his case for bashing someone but all hes gotten on here is bashing cause it caused a problem for him.
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:49 PM   #176
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:58 PM   #177
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The mirror is physically the largest mirror that GM has in ANY car. Our Malibu mirror is smaller than it. Why does it need to have the kidney bean shape to it?

Great mod for sure! Ill be doing it when (if) I ever get a Camaro because Im 6'6 and I need all the windshield I can get.
i went to the dealer today... didnt find anything good. if the mirror was smaller the mounts or plugs wouldnt work...

i did find that the camaro mirror is every bit as big as the pickup trucks and SUV's...

oh well.
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-30-2009, 09:32 PM   #178
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Funny how if folks don't agree with you they are assumed to be 'defending the general' or 'drinking the Kool-Aid'.
Just trying to be funny dude... unwad the panties a bit.


What's next? Perhaps a muffler fix that involves a coat hanger and some duct tape?
Nope, baling wire is the only true fix for that.

Personally, if I find issue with it, I would look for a cleaner fix than leaving exposed wires and an upside down mirror that I have to look at every time I drive...a constant reminder that I was too lazy to do it right....
I cant see the wire from where i sit... but it DOES remind me that maybe "someone" was too lazy to do it right in the first place.

Looking at your pics...and combined with your 'I don't use OnStar'...it would have easy enough to disconnect the mirror, tuck the connector back up into the headliner, order/find a 'non-OnStar' mirror and snap it into the stalk, replace the wire guide and voila...clean and effective. I wondering who'll be the first to properly relocate the OnStar buttons to the headliner panel....
I dont remember saying i dont use onstar but that i just have not yet... but sometimes i forget stuff.


and one last thing...your pic are taken from a slightly different perspective that obviously exaggerates your point... Notice in your first picture we see NO steering wheel...second picture we see plenty of steering wheel. I'm not suggesting the visibility is not an issue...but you're being pretty righteous in your 'position' and your quest to defend it.
two pix on different days, no tripod in my car... sorry!
i wasnt trying to mislead anyone. sorry if you got that impression, and sorry if anyone was indeed mislead.
also, i'm not really defending... im just mystified at how many folks want to tell me how wrong i am when i am just asking for help.
FACT: the mirror is FREAKIN HUGE in comparison to the windshield height.
Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38+% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24612
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:36 PM   #179
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Look at the drivers side visor...perspective is very different.
i have officially fired my camera man!
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:00 PM   #180
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i appreciate what you did. i dont know if i will have to go this route or not but its nice to know its an option if i have to until a better permanent solution comes available such as another mirror.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:41 AM   #181
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Very interestng thread and nice to see how that option of flipping the mirror over can work - thanks for sharing the pics
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:45 AM   #182
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If I flip the mirror for tall hubby, do you think I'll be able to adjust it for short me? We ordered the 2SS and I'm 5'4"
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:07 AM   #183
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Great idea, thanks for sharing this. When I drove one, that's the first thing I noticed on the road, the girth of the rearview mirror. Blindspots were not an issue for me (I'm used to the sail panels), it was the mirror.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:02 AM   #184
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If I flip the mirror for tall hubby, do you think I'll be able to adjust it for short me? We ordered the 2SS and I'm 5'4"
I'll get my wife, also 5'4", to try it out and get back to ya!

Thanks all for the kind comments! If it helps one person it was worth all of the criticism! even if I am the one person!
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-31-2009, 10:53 AM   #185
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UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE 5/29
PIX AT BOTTOM (it almost looks like it was meant to be this way)
rolnslo, THANKS! i owe you one

Thanks so much for the re-suggestion to flip the mirror… when I had looked at it before it appeared to be a no gain but after removing the plastic wiring cover AND unhooking the wire connector from the windshield and moving it to one side, I was able to flip the mirror and tuck the onstar buttons up behind the headliner!
I just could not see the forest for the mirror (trees). I started this thread in hopes of help and I got it! (after several bruises) Thanks!

I'm estimating that this gives another inch of visibility! (which is a big percentage)
I will have pix posted tonight (need a flash).
I would still like to see a thinner mirror but this is a great improvement while I hunt!

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another update: i was wrong it only gives you 7/8" more.
when measuring from the console (from the same exact spot on the console both times) and with no cameras involved the "flipped" mirror gives me 7/8" more viewing pleasure (vertically).
that is an 8.75% improvement measured vertically (i understand that nobody actually looks at a right angle to the windshield but it was the only way to measure without bias)

is this horse dead yet.... or shall we beat it some more?

thanks again to all that provided positive input.

everyone else, thanks for the laughs!

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I need a solution to this 2SS REARVIEW MIRROR HAZARD.

edit: sorry if i wasnt clear earlier, i was a little jazzed...

MIRROR = BLIND SPOT when moving forward.

Just when I thought I had gotten used to it, I ALMOST T-boned a Prius this morning.
I would have already yanked it out of the car but I am not sure what that will do to onstar, bluetooth, and whatever other sensors may be hiding in it.

Pulled up to STOP, checked right, checked left, checked right again as I started easing into the intersection then BAM! There it was.
That darn Prius just popped out from behind that mirror like the Starship Enterprise coming out of warp… scared the KR@P outta me!

I'm goin to a dealer this weekend to try and play mix-n-match but if someone has a real solution or even a serious idea please help.

GM, if you are listening, please address this issue for ALL Camaros… now. Hey, I said Please!
Great stuff, thanks guys!
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Old 05-31-2009, 02:11 PM   #186
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Most of you wouldn't understand.
I have the same problem in some cars, at some intersections.
The car coming from the right can hide behind the mirror.

It's become habit for me now to duck a bit and look behind the mirror.
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Old 05-31-2009, 04:44 PM   #187
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Great mirror flip !! may do the same on mine plus I won't have windshield tinted
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