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Old 05-28-2009, 10:29 AM   #26
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Go search on Google and see what the owners of the Saturn Sky did about this. It is a common complaint from people that aren't used to driving in cars with short windshields.

I've owned a few '55 and '56 Chevys over the years and the windshield is about the same overall vertical height as the Camaro's windshield. You'll just have to get used to actually moving your head to see around the rearview mirror. This isn't a truck so you'll have to make an active effort to see things rather than just assuming that you can sit passively in one position and be able to see everything around you.

By the way, it's even harder to see around when you have fuzzy dice hanging there too.
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:32 AM   #27
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That's why you have Brembo Brakes..was the Prius 'cloaked'?

I don't think GM will resolve this. It's just one of many blindspots you get with this car..you just have to be extra cautious now until you are used to it...
'cloaked' that was awesome!
thanks for the levity!

after 1500 miles, i THOUGHT that i was used to it.
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-28-2009, 10:41 AM   #28
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Go search on Google and see what the owners of the Saturn Sky did about this. It is a common complaint from people that aren't used to driving in cars with short windshields.

I've owned a few '55 and '56 Chevys over the years and the windshield is about the same overall vertical height as the Camaro's windshield. You'll just have to get used to actually moving your head to see around the rearview mirror. This isn't a truck so you'll have to make an active effort to see things rather than just assuming that you can sit passively in one position and be able to see everything around you.

By the way, it's even harder to see around when you have fuzzy dice hanging there too.


thanks for the idea!

yeah, i'm REALLY just pissed that i cant have the mirror ball and BEE-OTCH air freshener!

BTW, i've got a '52 chevy WITH a visor... but the mirror doesnt eclipse 1/2 of the windshield!

if it didnt have all the onstar gizmo stuff it would already be changed for something realistic.

i mean honestly, the size of this mirror is a joke... but this is not my rant thread...
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-28-2009, 11:03 AM   #29
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LDGn63, I'll stand right with you on this and take whatever heat gets thrown our way. While my Camaro hasn't come yet, I know what you're talking about with relation to that rear view mirror. That was the VERY first thing I noticed when I sat in one. There has to be some way to get that mirror up higher and out of the way, and maybe streamline it as well? Truthfully, I personally don't care if I lose Onstar, but I DO want to be able to see out of the windshield without having to constantly duck down under the mirror to find out what's out there at my right front attitude!
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:03 AM   #30
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i have to agree with this. i sat in one for the first time today and the window looks good from outside but once you sit inside that mirror is HUGE. i am 6 foot 1 and my head hit the roof now i didnt play with the seat at all so i know theres some adjustment i am sure that can be made but that mirror is HUGE so i can see where this can be a problem. i plan on definately going to a big empty parking lot after i get this car and get used to it cause its definately going to be a change from my blazer.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:09 AM   #31
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WTF you got one eye or something?...I don't have any problems seeing when I'm driving my shit. Backing up can be a little tough but I just have to get uses to using my side mirrors. Other than that the view is fine.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:09 AM   #32
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Just remove the mirror. "What's behind you is not important"
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:10 AM   #33
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thanks for the support guys.

i'll keep ya posted.
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:20 AM   #34
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all i can say is jeeeeeeez sounds like you need help not the car im 6,1 drove sure didnt have no problems .concentrate on driving and not on your great car.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:47 AM   #35
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Thanks to all that provide help or some serious thought to a resolution.

To those of you do not have problems seeing… I am TRULY happy that you do not have this problem.

To those who feel it necessary to bash me for making an honest plea for help… write back when you hit puberty!
Sorry, but I couldn’t resist… I just cant SEE how criticism of me gives any help at all… but maybe I cant SEE it because this DARN MIRROR is in the way!
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:55 AM   #36
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Sounds like a safety issue, but constructive criticism and concerns will not be tolerated on camaro5.com!
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:57 AM   #37
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This is not the first window and blind spots like that in an Fbody.
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:06 PM   #38
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there is something wrong here, from what i remember from the test drive.
the rear mirror seems out of place. the thing is huge and the buttons under the mirror slop down the middle of the windshield. I understand the limited visibilty on the sides and rear but why that huge mirror?
keep us posted if you do anything.
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:08 PM   #39
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thanks for the positive translation.

but i must disagree with this part... its just poor design.

Hey, everybody messes up ( i almost hit another car today).
I'm just asking for a solution... and for GM to fix future cars.
1. GM ALREADY fixed this issue by making a "shorter" rear view mirror. This issue was ALREADY brought up as I talked to Al O. at Indy. Yes...they tweaked it for this car.

2. Yes. Your seat lowers. Try it if you have not already done so.

3. Yes. You can raise your rear view mirror higher on the glass. It is not fixed in one position. The base is fixed...but not the mirror itself. That will also give you more room to see.

Other than that, there is no issue here. GM, IMO, does not have to fix anything.
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:17 PM   #40
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This is not the first window and blind spots like that in an Fbody.
TRUE but i've driven ALL Generations and NONE are like this.

Also, they completely designed this car new... why did they put a suburban mirror on it? (maybe that comment should go in my previously mentioned rant thread)
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24612
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:20 PM   #41
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1. GM ALREADY fixed this issue by making a "shorter" rear view mirror. This issue was ALREADY brought up as I talked to Al O. at Indy. Yes...they tweaked it for this car.

2. Yes. Your seat lowers. Try it if you have not already done so.

3. Yes. You can raise your rear view mirror higher on the glass. It is not fixed in one position. The base is fixed...but not the mirror itself. That will also give you more room to see.

Other than that, there is no issue here. GM, IMO, does not have to fix anything.
Thanks TAG.
Where can i get this "short mirror" it sounds like the solution.... why didnt my car get it from the factory...
maybe i got the short one and it's not short enough???

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i guess sometimes it is best to start with the obvious but i done done that.

YES, my seat is 100% down AND leaned back to get me as low as possible. and the mirror is pushed up 100% as high as it will go (without removing stuff, which I will do tonight)

please see posts and pix here:
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24612

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Old 05-28-2009, 12:22 PM   #42
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1. GM ALREADY fixed this issue by making a "shorter" rear view mirror. This issue was ALREADY brought up as I talked to Al O. at Indy. Yes...they tweaked it for this car..
Is the shorter mirror something that will be included in the Camaro or is it something you would have to go and get yourself?
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tag thanks for the update, i haven't moved the mirror up. what vin # would this shorter mirror be shipped from factory.
thanks
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:43 PM   #44
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As time goes on we'll see these "I see no problem" members change their mind. Especially after they have a few t-bones themselves. I concur, the mirror is too large for the application. It is quite easy to miss an event because the mirror blocks a large part of the view. Out the back is not a concern, every car I've had of this nature has poor rearward visibility. Thankfully I usually drive forward. If there is a smaller mirror I'd love to have it
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:54 PM   #45
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OK.

I just went out at lunch and the top of my mirror was touching the plastic surrounding the onstar wires. I removed the plastic but the mirror wont go up any higher because of the swivelball/tube construction. (a limit that I might remedy with a dremel)
My seat is ALL the way down, the mirror is ALL the way up but blocks my line of sight.

I'll check for shorter mirrors this weekend and document any mods that I do to help those of you that need it.

Thanks all for your input and consideration to the matter.

Can anyone tell me if all of the onstar mirrors use the same plug? (it would make sense)
is the mic in the mirror?
Anybody have a wiring diagram for onstar? Hopefully the local dealer will have these but ya never know!
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Is it really the mirror that is causing your blind spot or is it the blacked out section of the windshield behind it?




You could also try removing the plastic wire cover between the headliner and the mirror and then relocating the metal mounting plate for the mirror higher up on the windshield.

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Old 05-28-2009, 01:09 PM   #48
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Speaking as someone who is 6'6", and had to order my car without a sunroof so I didn't have to drive laying down to avoid constantly rubbing my head... The visibility with the mirror was concerning in both of the cars I sat in. Something will have to be done for the car to be safe, so hopefully GM can help us find a better solution.

In my other sports cars (Corvette included) I -always- bend the mirror as far up as possible, either the ball joints wont go any further, or it hits something above it.

In the Camaro the plastic wire cover above the mirror severely hinders this (see picts below). If GM could make a much thinner wire cover that may do the trick, otherwise I may be removing it completely (the plastic cover) to see if that does the trick.

IMHO, having on-star to use is great for emergencies, but not if it's attached to the mirror that is so big & in the middle of the windshield that it actually causes the accident...


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pix... might try to remove that plastic cover hiding wiring on the windshield...



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Is it really the mirror that is causing your blind spot or is it the blacked out section of the windshield behind it?

You could also try removing the plastic wire cover between the headliner and the mirror and then relocating the metal mounting plate for the mirror higher up on the windshield.
It's the mirror. The blacked out section looks big, but it's angled with the windshield & further away from your face. When you look at it (or at least when I look at it from my seating position) you see the mirror, no black under it, just behind it.
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Just remove the mirror. "What's behind you is not important"
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