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Old 05-28-2009, 01:26 PM   #51
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got some x and y dimensions on the mirror frame?
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:30 PM   #52
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at first i was confused on how this could be a problem. then i remembered i had this problem with my 3rd gen once. now i lean back more.
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:36 PM   #53
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How about tilting the seat back a little. What would you see?
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:14 PM   #54
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i mean, the thing physically LOOKS HUGE (IMHO) but I wouldnt care so much if I could see thru it.
Well then it wouldnt be a mirror unless it was mounted between walls one side for the bad guy and the other for the cops looking at the bad guy
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:56 PM   #55
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WTF are you talking about. You are not making anysense. How would the rearview mirror make you run into a car.
I agree with Scott.


Scott, we'll be keeping your daughter and your family in our prayers.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:04 PM   #56
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got some x and y dimensions on the mirror frame?

3 5/8" top to bottom
9"ish side to side
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-28-2009, 03:04 PM   #57
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How about tilting the seat back a little. What would you see?
...

The headliner...

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Old 05-28-2009, 03:07 PM   #58
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The headliner...

OK, now THAT was funny!

i already lean back a LOT (wife says i lay down)
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Windshield=10" vertical
mirror= 3 7/8" (that's almost 4") vertical
that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-28-2009, 03:09 PM   #59
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I agree with Scott.


Scott, we'll be keeping your daughter and your family in our prayers.
I'm glad you agree with Scott... how does this help?

If you can not see something (because of the mirror) you just might run into it!

ps. I pray for Steph too!
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-28-2009, 03:28 PM   #60
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most of the cars american cars I drive at work have the mirror right at eye level, which causes a blind spot. I never have had the problem with my Hondas and Acuras. Our Dodge truck has two swivel points on the rearview mirror so I push it up as high as it will go then swivel the mirror down. I don't know if the Camaro has one or two swivel points. I can see where you could lose a whole prius or fat lady crossing the road with what looks like a big mirror. Give me a sleak old fashion mirror anyday, I won't be paying for Onstar. But hey take the bad with the good
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:35 PM   #61
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Camaro has two swivel points, but only one that allows for height adjustment (the one closest to windshield) the other would just adjust the angle of the mirror. You can see them in the picts on pg 2
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:46 PM   #62
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I'm glad you did not have an accident.


I hear what you're saying, but what possible SOLUTION can anyone offer?

There is none, short of removing the mirror, and installing a rearview camara.



Remember, this Zeta was designed for cool looks, not practicality.

That's what we wanted, and GM delivered, big time.

The G8 is the practical Zeta. Excellent visibility.


Hang in there...


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Old 05-28-2009, 03:50 PM   #63
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Rear view mirror does not bother me but I'm short, will have to ask my husband when he is driving if he gets a blind spot.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:52 PM   #64
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Sounds like the problem rests with Toyota making lunch box size cars like the ugly @$$ prius.

Maybe we need to petition Toyota to start making normal cars.



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Dude, I think you need to adjust the seats so that you can see the clearly
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:05 PM   #66
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I have not driven one yet, but I "complained" about the visibility in another thread and almost everyone gave me a hard time about it.

The problem isn't the size of the mirror, it's the size of the windshield. Why would you want to put your seat down all the way in this car? All that will be showing through the side window will be your eyes. If anything, you would want to put the seat up as far as possible so you can see out the sides and back.

So I still think they screwed up on the visibility. I'm not trying to trash the car, just an honest opinion from someone who is not blinded by Camaro fever. And I think this fact will be borne out when more guys get their cars and the initial new car elation wears off. After all, a car is made to be driven, and to drive you need to be able to see.
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:13 PM   #67
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I don't understand the big blacked-out area of the windshield around the mirror mount. Why does that part need to be blacked out? Is it to keep the mirror and all the Onstar electronic guts from getting too hot?
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:16 PM   #68
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this is similar to the mustang rearview, if i can't see bcuz of the mirror, i just duck my head low real quick to glance under the mirror and i'm fine
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:20 PM   #69
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Sounds like the problem rests with Toyota making lunch box size cars like the ugly @$$ prius.

Maybe we need to petition Toyota to start making normal cars.



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I think you might be on to something there. I say it is all Toyota's fault for making the Prius body shape in such a way that it disappears behind our mirrors. Seems to me that this isn't GM's issue but Toyota's.
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I have not driven one yet, but I "complained" about the visibility in another thread and almost everyone gave me a hard time about it.

The problem isn't the size of the mirror, it's the size of the windshield. Why would you want to put your seat down all the way in this car? All that will be showing through the side window will be your eyes. If anything, you would want to put the seat up as far as possible so you can see out the sides and back.

So I still think they screwed up on the visibility. I'm not trying to trash the car, just an honest opinion from someone who is not blinded by Camaro fever. And I think this fact will be borne out when more guys get their cars and the initial new car elation wears off. After all, a car is made to be driven, and to drive you need to be able to see.
No car is perfect. Every car has certain things that are pros to some, cons to some and yet not even noticeable to others. Perhaps this car isn't for you guys. Rather than complain and not understand why fans of the car stick up for the car, why not just look somewhere else?
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:38 PM   #72
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i guess sometimes it is best to start with the obvious but i done done that.

YES, my seat is 100% down AND leaned back to get me as low as possible. and the mirror is pushed up 100% as high as it will go (without removing stuff, which I will do tonight)

please see posts and pix here:
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I agree with him 100% on this issue. I'm 6'2" and have the same problem... All I see under the mirror is about 2-3 inches of the windshield when I look to the right a bit..... especially when you turn right all you see is a big black spot. Us tall people have to adjust to this by always looking ahead of the situation. So stop saying to adjust our seats and do this and that...A lot of us have many years of driving experience (35Yrs) more than a lot of you. That said I still love the car and will deal with this issue by being careful and I'm going to enjoy the look on peoples faces when I cruise around town.
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Old 05-28-2009, 05:34 PM   #73
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Raise the mirror. I checked it out when I was at the dealer. I'm 5'11" and with the mirror adjusted high I have no problem.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:02 PM   #74
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i guess sometimes it is best to start with the obvious but i done done that.

YES, my seat is 100% down AND leaned back to get me as low as possible. and the mirror is pushed up 100% as high as it will go (without removing stuff, which I will do tonight)

please see posts and pix here:
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LDGn63, I noticed the mirror was a distraction as well until I adjusted my seat down and back. I was trying to see to much of the hood.

You might have done that already from the sounds of your post, but I do not have any issue with the mirror blocking my forward view. My adjustment worked for me.

I wish you luck with finding a solution. Keep us updated.
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No car is perfect. Every car has certain things that are pros to some, cons to some and yet not even noticeable to others. Perhaps this car isn't for you guys. Rather than complain and not understand why fans of the car stick up for the car, why not just look somewhere else?
Agreed. Try not to look at it as a complaint, but more of an observation. I love this car, but I'm not sure if I would like driving it every day.

And YES, I have looked around. I like the G8GT, although granted, it isn't the same sort of vehicle.

And ok, this weekend I looked at some 2010 Mustangs, and to be honest they are very nice. More visibility for sure. I don't want to get into a big GM vs Ford thing here, but both cars have merits.
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