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Old 05-28-2009, 07:11 PM   #76
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Speaking as someone who is 6'6", and had to order my car without a sunroof so I didn't have to drive laying down to avoid constantly rubbing my head... The visibility with the mirror was concerning in both of the cars I sat in. Something will have to be done for the car to be safe, so hopefully GM can help us find a better solution.

In my other sports cars (Corvette included) I -always- bend the mirror as far up as possible, either the ball joints wont go any further, or it hits something above it.

In the Camaro the plastic wire cover above the mirror severely hinders this (see picts below). If GM could make a much thinner wire cover that may do the trick, otherwise I may be removing it completely (the plastic cover) to see if that does the trick.

IMHO, having on-star to use is great for emergencies, but not if it's attached to the mirror that is so big & in the middle of the windshield that it actually causes the accident...


From your other thread...
Good post. I did not realize the mirror had two swivel points. Cool, I gained a little of my mirror back.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:14 PM   #77
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I think he is saying he wants to replace his mirror with a different one but is concerned about losing the onstar??

I take it as he is not happy about the blind spot. Its the price you pay for driving this car. Try driving a corvette. In the mirror you see into the trunk, the entire top of the car and a dental floss line that is out the back window. Not to mention the side view blind spots. This aint your mommas caddy here, you have to pay closer attention and deal with the slightly obstructed view.
I have a 2008 corvette coupe and both the front and rear visibility is quite good actually. I haven't sat in the new camaro yet, as they don't have a single one here in hawaii, but my side mirrors are quite large and practical, elmininating blind spots. Also for extra measure, you actually can look over your shoulder in my car before changing lanes, which is apparently something you can't do in the new camaro, from all the threads I've read on this subject. I still love the camaro but I'm waiting for the convertible to come out, apparently the blind spots are even worse on that car (I just read it somewhere, don't remember where), but I'm sure as with anything else you get used to it after awhile.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:20 PM   #78
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Here is a great post by NukemGreg. How to properly align mirrors. It could help with some on this thread. I adjusted mine like this a few days ago, and it is a night and day difference. What I have been missing all my life. WOW!

http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/tech/mirrors/
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It looks like there are only two things that could give you more lift with the current mirror.

1, remove a section of the wire cover, so that the top of the mirror could tuck up into it a bit.

or

2, replacing the gimbal arm with one a bit longer, so that the mirror could come forward a bit more, and meet the wire cover where it meets the headliner.

Either is only going to give you maybe another 1/2 inch more viewing area from the bottom of the mirror.

Barring that, it looks like the only solution with the current setup, would be to remove the mirror, take it to your favorite custom shop, have them slice that puppy in half, and reinstall the remains upside down to preserve the electronics.

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Old 05-28-2009, 07:28 PM   #80
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My H3 was like that. It had so many blind spots! I got used to it. It just makes you that much more safety minded on the road.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:29 PM   #81
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Here is a great post by NukemGreg. How to properly align mirrors. It could help with some on this thread. I adjusted mine like this a few days ago, and it is a night and day difference. What I have been missing all my life. WOW!

http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/tech/mirrors/
Yep, it's good info and you'd be shocked how many people drive with their own side of their car in their side mirrors. I was lucky enough to have my dad show me how to set them up this way when I first started driving, but any time I drove a friends car growing up they'd be too close in. I don't know how people can drive that way in traffic & not turn their head. Guess it explains how I've had people try to run me off the road several times just changing lanes on top of me...
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:59 PM   #82
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Dude, I think you need to adjust the seats so that you can see the clearly
Can't speak for anyone else, but at 6'6" the seat is adjusted as much as it can be for me to just fit comfortably. Seems like shorter people don't seem to have too much of an issue, seems to be mostly 6' & over.

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I'm glad you did not have an accident.

I hear what you're saying, but what possible SOLUTION can anyone offer?

There is none, short of removing the mirror, and installing a rearview camara.

Remember, this Zeta was designed for cool looks, not practicality.

That's what we wanted, and GM delivered, big time.

The G8 is the practical Zeta. Excellent visibility.

Hang in there...
There's plenty that can be done, I would just hope that maybe GM would take it into consideration since so many people are having problems with it (or will). My car has not been built yet, so there would still be time for them to revise it a minor amount. The mirror itself is okay, it's mainly the plastic cable protector above it, & lack of adjustment in the ball joints on the mirror. If they were to find a better way to conceal the cables, and / or provide more adjustability in the mirror arm, you could have that thing practically touching the roof (as I always have in my corvette).

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I don't understand the big blacked-out area of the windshield around the mirror mount. Why does that part need to be blacked out? Is it to keep the mirror and all the Onstar electronic guts from getting too hot?
From what I've read supposedly they started doing that to stop from blinding drivers when the sun is behind the mirror. Some cars have it just above the mirror, I cant recall any other cars I've seen with it as low as the Camaro.

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No car is perfect. Every car has certain things that are pros to some, cons to some and yet not even noticeable to others. Perhaps this car isn't for you guys. Rather than complain and not understand why fans of the car stick up for the car, why not just look somewhere else?
wow... just wow...

Do divorce your wife at the first sign of trouble, or to you talk to her & try to resolve things? Throw away your computer when it locks up? Don't confuse wanting to fix problems with not loving your car. Hell, most of us modify our cars even if there isn't a problem just because you think you might be able to make it better (even if it's just for your own taste).

Just because this may not be a problem for you, it is a genuine issue for some of us. Fortunately it is one that can be made better. I'd just hope that with such a minor overall issue GM may be able to resolve it for us. I'd rather not hack into my car the day I get it if I can avoid it, but I certainly will before I endanger myself, my passengers, and others on the road because I cant see out of the middle upper 1/2 of my windshield.

I don't have my car yet or I probably would have already torn into it. I've never once complained about the visibility of the car otherwise, which for most people is a bigger issue judging from that thread. I'm perfectly happy to live with that compromise of looks vs. visibility. But there's no reason the Mirror couldn't be more adjustable.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:17 PM   #83
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so you say you have a huge blind spot out of the front window? appearently you have not tried to look out your side windows to change lanes? blind spot is an understatement. it is a virtual black hole.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:30 PM   #84
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so you say you have a huge blind spot out of the front window? appearently you have not tried to look out your side windows to change lanes? blind spot is an understatement. it is a virtual black hole.
I don't use the windows as my primary lane change reference, I use the mirrors, & check beside me (peripheral vision), and I can see all of them perfectly fine. (See edog's post above or my reply to him, the link is very helpful if you have not been driving with your mirrors set up like that already)

Out the back is a non issue, the C5 Corvette convertible has a tiny, tiny rear window, after 5 + years I never had an issue with it. And it's not like I drive in reverse much or at more than parking speeds. The main reason it's there is to tell you when to pull over anyway.

Personally, I'm more concerned with being able to see in the direction the car is capable of going 155 mph in...
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:17 PM   #85
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ok... here is a pic taken today... judge for yourself but i still need REAL ideas.
so i dont like this one thing about my car and it CAN be changed... at least im not griping about something REALLY USEFUL like ABL! gimme a break.
BTW - ABL is ultra cool.

just for everyone who keeps saying lower the seat and raise the mirror:
the seat is LOWERED and laid back some, the mirror is RAISED (including removing the plastic wire cover, which buy you maybe 1/8").
believe it or not this picture is NOT doctored in any way. I took it while SITTING still with my iphone up against my face with my head on the headrest.
(my line of sight is about an inch below the tint line)

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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

our collective MIRROR patch:
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:37 PM   #86
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Hey, I'm in your neck of the woods.

Please PM me if you want, and we can meet for a bit so I can look over how you have things adjusted. Maybe I can then understand the problem you are having better, and offer some insight, and/or better detailed feedback for the forum.

It's an old saying, but sometimes a second set of eyes can see something the first one didn't!

I will help in any way I can, if you'd like. Otherwise, I am sorry, I do not understand the issue that you have described.

I am glad you avoided the accident!

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Old 05-28-2009, 10:37 PM   #87
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"That darn Prius just popped out from behind that mirror like the Starship Enterprise coming out of warp…"

MIRROR = BLIND SPOT
Have you looked behind the mirror? It is all black, the glass is covered in it behind the mirror. So basically you need a new mirror and a custom made windshield.
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First and foremost, the Camaro is a sports car. It is a remarkable machine. It's function is more along the lines of performance than luxury, making it someone difficult in certain categories. To get that sleek appearance, GM sacrificed a lot of visibility. Like many sports cars, there is room for customization. If you have a problem with a component, GM won't help you. They've already built your car. Seek help in the aftermarket. Find a custom shop and buy a replacement mirror. It really isn't that hard. Have your OnStar button wired to a separate button panel that you can install anywhere in the car. It's really not that hard. It isn't even that expensive. If you can afford a 2010 Camaro, gas, insurance, and all the mods we've been discussing on these boards, then you can afford to replace your mirror and rewire your OnStar button. It isn't that hard. Show us pictures when you're done, and maybe document the process using an instructional, or "how-to," thread to do it.
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:47 PM   #89
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Wow, that is pretty bad. This is even worse than the Chrysler 300 I currently have (trading it in on the Camaro if it ever arrives :o) and the absolute worst scenario for me is turning right on a highway on ramp that is slightly inclined...you have to lean forward and look around the mirror. My wife really complained and didn't like driving it for this very reason. It just seems that the mirror needs to be a bit smaller.

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Old 05-28-2009, 10:51 PM   #90
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It's kind of funny. I have the same problem .... in you guessed it, my Prius. Just had to learn to move head left and right at a four way stop to make sure I looked behind the blind spot caused by the mirror. It is a pain though but you learn to adapt.
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Well, maybe I am channeling "The 'Father!" -- but I do remember someone saying something about how they had to compromise the dimensions and spacing in the interior to accomodate the nearly "exact" styling of the exterior, in regards to the concept car.

You have to give a little to get a little. I think they did the best they could.

HOWEVER, this is an open forum, and we have to provide our feedback to help improve the car, and future models!!!

Please keep giving constructive feedback - it IS important!!!

(we all know many people "in the know" read this and other forums...our constructive feedback is one of the primary ways they can make things "better." Right?)
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:21 PM   #92
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Nice thing here is that this is not degenerating into a flame war.
The picture does illustrate the point pretty well - that could be a heck of a blind spot
I have had similar issues with mounting GPS systems - they can cause same issue - but at least I get to choose where I stick those - so I can find optimal location - which you cant do here.
The Onstar area certainly adds a lot to the bottom of the mirror and this is good feedback for GM
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:51 PM   #93
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ok... here is a pic taken today... judge for yourself but i still need REAL ideas.
so i dont like this one thing about my car and it CAN be changed... at least im not griping about something REALLY USEFUL like ABL! gimme a break.
BTW - ABL is ultra cool.

just for everyone who keeps saying lower the seat and raise the mirror:
the seat is LOWERED and laid back some, the mirror is RAISED (including removing the plastic wire cover, which buy you maybe 1/8").
believe it or not this picture is NOT doctored in any way. I took it while SITTING still with my iphone up against my face with my head on the headrest.
(my line of sight is about an inch below the tint line)

tada: (no need to criticize my photography, i know i stink)
Yo man, if this is really at your eye level then i hate to say it... your just to tall for this car man. If the seat is as low as it can go and this is how it still looks when your driving... there really isn't much GM or anyone els can do except removing the mirror completely. The way i see it, you got 3 options...

1.) Deal with it (risk the blind spot and hitting other cars) or learn to look under or around the mirror when crossing intersections or stop signs whatever.
2.) Take the mirror off.
3.) Return or sell the car

See most of these features and flaws your supposed to get out of the way on the first test drive. I can understand you being very excited and forgetting to look at all the flaws of the car because you just cant wait to own one. Trust me i have been there. But it is what it is, this is a compact sports car and is not going to be very "practical" or "comfortable", specially for you taller guys (im only 5'10"). Some cars just aren't meant for some people.

But good luck to you sir!

EDIT: I can see GM defiantly redesigning the mirror to be smaller and taking away all that useless black film behind the mirror but i dont see GM doing this because they already released production models and i don't see them doing any re-designing any time soon.

I just realized this, but where in DFW are you located?

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Old 05-29-2009, 12:09 AM   #94
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Wow, that does look bad. That mirror needs to be higher and thinner top to bottom. It's taking up way too much visibility out the front. I'm 6'2" so I'm concerned about this.

Prediction: We'll see a new, smaller mirror in the 2011 Camaro.
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My suggestion would be to park the car and take the bus. I read what you posted and agree with none of it.
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I had the blind spot problem when I test drove it. I agree the mirror is a bit too big. It should be able to be solved or fixed with a smaller mirror. Wouldn't be surprised if chevy does this the next model year or have an aftermarket replacement.

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Old 05-29-2009, 12:56 AM   #97
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Here is a great post by NukemGreg. How to properly align mirrors. It could help with some on this thread. I adjusted mine like this a few days ago, and it is a night and day difference. What I have been missing all my life. WOW!

http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/tech/mirrors/

Thanks for the info. Been driving for a long time and probably never had my mirrors adjusted properly.

I'm gonna keep this in mind IF i ever get my Camaro.
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Im 6'3 and dont have any problems with any of the mirrors.

...But Im not sitting like you are in that picture. Lean back?
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Remove the mirror then install a rear view camera and screen on the dash? It may be the only way for you to drive safely.
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Hey all....first post here BTW....so is the mirror in rolnslo's post the revised "shorter" one when compared to the one in Matt'sSS's post on pg 2?
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