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Old 05-29-2009, 09:22 PM   #151
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skip shift sucks
i wouldnt go there if i were you

$20 fix for Skip Shift though!
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-29-2009, 09:22 PM   #152
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yup... PLENTY of room to push them... but you have to duck a bit to see them.
i'd rather duck to see them that need to duck to see a car!
Excellent, thanks for the extra pic!
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:35 PM   #153
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Do you know how tall the rear view mirror is on your 2SS car?
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:43 PM   #154
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:46 PM   #155
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Do you know how tall the rear view mirror is on your 2SS car?
3 5/8" top to bottom.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:51 PM   #156
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This is from my 2004 GMC Denali XL
Has all the bell's and whistle that yours do.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:54 PM   #157
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After turning the mirror upside down, can you still use OnStar and the other buttons? Does it after the auto-dimming?
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:44 PM   #158
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After turning the mirror upside down, can you still use OnStar and the other buttons? Does it after the auto-dimming?
plenty of ROOM to use them.... ive not used them once either way.
nothing gets unplugged so it should work.

i've got tinted windows so i dont think my dimmer works...
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:47 PM   #159
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This is from my 2004 GMC Denali XL
Has all the bell's and whistle that yours do.
looks to be about the same depth. thx

btw... like the nova, i have a '63
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:56 PM   #160
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This is a huge improvement and a huge relief. I was really worried about this. My wife is already concerned about visibility when she drives the car. The mirror thing was just one more problem I didn't want. This is a fix I can live with. In fact, it just looks better to me.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:04 PM   #161
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This is a huge improvement and a huge relief. I was really worried about this. My wife is already concerned about visibility when she drives the car. The mirror thing was just one more problem I didn't want. This is a fix I can live with. In fact, it just looks better to me.
yea, i'm thinking i can live with it... and it honestly LOOKS more "finished" than it did before. (besides the wires, but i cant see them)

glad you like!
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Windshield=10" vertical
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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
it sure seems like the ratio could be better... just sayin....

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Old 05-29-2009, 11:24 PM   #162
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Sorry if I offend anyone here but:

The mirror is not as big as it is made out to be in this photo. I have been driving (a Camaro) for two weeks now and have never noticed this as being overly large or creating a blind spot. I am 6'1".

If the photo is taken from where your eye level (line of site) is then you are way to close to the windshield and up too high in the seat.

Now the first part of this could just be the camera. Photos tend to flatten and crush perspective.

Second part; you are up so high in the seat that you are looking at the dash from above and the hood of your car. In your rear view mirror only about 1/3 looks out your back window. The rest is your back seat.

So, since I could not believe that my mirror could be so much smaller, I ran out and took a photo myself. Sorry for the low quality.

I will attach 4 photos to help show that all you need to do is sit better in your car.

1. Your photo with key points outlined.

2. My car from a "better" sitting position.

3. My photo with key points outlined - with original photo's rear view outline the same to show that the photo is sized to match mirrors as proof of scale.

4. My outlines added back to original photo to show greater visiblity.

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Look at all that extra windshield!

You can see that the mirror isn't as huge as the OP says and even if it was, if you are sitting correctly, the horizon isn't blocked.

I'm not saying that the Prius wasn't in a blind spot from the way your sitting but I am saying that it doesn't have to be - unless it was floating 5ft off the ground.

And I can't believe you scratched your car up like that!
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:48 PM   #163
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The mirror is physically the largest mirror that GM has in ANY car. Our Malibu mirror is smaller than it. Why does it need to have the kidney bean shape to it?

Great mod for sure! Ill be doing it when (if) I ever get a Camaro because Im 6'6 and I need all the windshield I can get.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:17 AM   #164
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nice pix and fix....
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Old 05-30-2009, 04:38 AM   #165
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My Camaro should be coming in a week or two...can't wait to give this a try, and find out if it's enough!

NOW...If there was such a thing, I'd be nominating both LDGn63 and rolnslo, as Camaro5 Members of the Month! Good job guys!!!
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:08 AM   #166
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Sorry if I offend anyone here but:

The mirror is not as big as it is made out to be in this photo. I have been driving (a Camaro) for two weeks now and have never noticed this as being overly large or creating a blind spot. I am 6'1".

If the photo is taken from where your eye level (line of site) is then you are way to close to the windshield and up too high in the seat.

Now the first part of this could just be the camera. Photos tend to flatten and crush perspective.

Second part; you are up so high in the seat that you are looking at the dash from above and the hood of your car. In your rear view mirror only about 1/3 looks out your back window. The rest is your back seat.

So, since I could not believe that my mirror could be so much smaller, I ran out and took a photo myself. Sorry for the low quality.

You can see that the mirror isn't as huge as the OP says and even if it was, if you are sitting correctly, the horizon isn't blocked.

I'm not saying that the Prius wasn't in a blind spot from the way your sitting but I am saying that it doesn't have to be - unless it was floating 5ft off the ground.

And I can't believe you scratched your car up like that!
Ha, thems factory scratches bud. but i'll survive!

When I posted the "fix" i guessed that it would only take one hour for somebody to jack my picture, hack it up, slam my photo abilities, and defend the general! well, it didnt happen as fast as i thought, but it DID happen. you guys are so predictable!
i admire your tanacity. if i were in a fight, i want you on my side!

to recap my seating position for you... seat 100% DOWN and laid back a bit.
maybe it is the seat? i have never felt that the seat gets low enough... but if i mentioned that, folks would tell me that i didnt know how to use the switch!
maybe your torso is shorter than your legs (folks are different) or maybe my ass is too big which makes me sit too high!

think what you want about my pictures and experience but it was a problem for me and now its fixed and i'm happy. try it, you just might like it! i think it looks better and EVERYONE could use a little more visibility regardless of height or seating position.
i'll bet that some folks that have bashed me here will do this patch and never tell a soul!

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that means that the mirror is 38.75% the size of the vertical windshield...
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:28 AM   #167
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:38 AM   #168
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Ha, thems factory scratches bud. but i'll survive!

Oops! Sorry, that sux.



I mainly wanted to show how the angle of the camera can deceive. Even comparing your before and after photos, the camera is lower in the after shot causing the mirror to take up less windshield.

Anyway, I'll stop there and I'm glad you found a fix that works for you.

BTW...thanks for the Kool-Aid!
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:51 AM   #170
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The mirror is not as big as it is made out to be in this photo. I have been driving (a Camaro) for two weeks now and have never noticed this as being overly large or creating a blind spot. I am 6'1".
RickRay was on here at some point. He's 6'2" (same as me) and agreed it was a blind spot. My point is, just because you don't see the problem doesn't mean others haven't.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:58 PM   #171
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Ha, thems factory scratches bud. but i'll survive!

When I posted the "fix" i guessed that it would only take one hour for somebody to jack my picture, hack it up, slam my photo abilities, and defend the general! well, it didnt happen as fast as i thought, but it DID happen. you guys are so predictable!
i admire your tanacity. if i were in a fight, i want you on my side!

to recap my seating position for you... seat 100% DOWN and laid back a bit.
maybe it is the seat? i have never felt that the seat gets low enough... but if i mentioned that, folks would tell me that i didnt know how to use the switch!
maybe your torso is shorter than your legs (folks are different) or maybe my ass is too big which makes me sit too high!

think what you want about my pictures and experience but it was a problem for me and now its fixed and i'm happy. try it, you just might like it! i think it looks better and EVERYONE could use a little more visibility regardless of height or seating position.
i'll bet that some folks that have bashed me here will do this patch and never tell a soul!

oh yea, one last pic for ya:
Funny how if folks don't agree with you they are assumed to be 'defending the general' or 'drinking the Kool-Aid'.


What's next? Perhaps a muffler fix that involves a coat hanger and some duct tape?

Personally, if I find issue with it, I would look for a cleaner fix than leaving exposed wires and an upside down mirror that I have to look at every time I drive...a constant reminder that I was too lazy to do it right....

Looking at your pics...and combined with your 'I don't use OnStar'...it would have easy enough to disconnect the mirror, tuck the connector back up into the headliner, order/find a 'non-OnStar' mirror and snap it into the stalk, replace the wire guide and voila...clean and effective. I wondering who'll be the first to properly relocate the OnStar buttons to the headliner panel....


and one last thing...your pic are taken from a slightly different perspective that obviously exaggerates your point... Notice in your first picture we see NO steering wheel...second picture we see plenty of steering wheel. I'm not suggesting the visibility is not an issue...but you're being pretty righteous in your 'position' and your quest to defend it.
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Funny how if folks don't agree with you they are assumed to be 'defending the general' or 'drinking the Kool-Aid'.


What's next? Perhaps a muffler fix that involves a coat hanger and some duct tape?

Personally, if I find issue with it, I would look for a cleaner fix than leaving exposed wires and an upside down mirror that I have to look at every time I drive...a constant reminder that I was too lazy to do it right....

Looking at your pics...and combined with your 'I don't use OnStar'...it would have easy enough to disconnect the mirror, tuck the connector back up into the headliner, order/find a 'non-OnStar' mirror and snap it into the stalk, replace the wire guide and voila...clean and effective. I wondering who'll be the first to properly relocate the OnStar buttons to the headliner panel....

well if gm would have put a decent sized mirror in in the first place such as the one in the 1ss maybe people wouldnt have a problem like this. i am sorry i would rather have my mirror upside down like that to while i find a permanent solution to the problem rather than hit a car in my brand new 40 thousand dollar car because i couldnt see it. i dont know for sure if this will be a problem for me i know i sat in one last week and that mirror stuck out like a sore thumb and a major blind spot. now granted i didnt have long in the car so i didnt play with the mirror or the seats so i dont know whether i would end up having to do this or not but if it comes to safety for me and other people i would do it in a heartbeat. i know i myself will keep onstar people i know that have it love it.
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slightly different angle but if you compare how much of the dash you see its pretty close he was just looking more forward from what i see in the after pic.
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slightly different angle but if you compare how much of the dash you see its pretty close he was just looking more forward from what i see in the after pic.
Look at the drivers side visor...perspective is very different.
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well maybe he also lowered the seat as well? i dont know for sure. just saying you get on his case for bashing someone but all hes gotten on here is bashing cause it caused a problem for him.
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