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Old 06-21-2009, 01:56 PM   #201
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That's a nice trick for some added visibility. GM could really do a lot by simply moving the wiring harness/plug back just a little bit into the headliner so that stupid plastic cover wasn't so thick and limiting the mirror's upward adjustability so much. Actually they could probably cut costs and get rid of the plastic entirely if the plug was moved, the wires would need to be sheathed into one covered bundle but not hard plastic like the current solution.
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Old 06-27-2009, 11:19 AM   #202
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Im 5'10", I can get away with not doing the mirror flip, but I did it today, and it really helps. Now it's definitely bareable!
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Old 06-28-2009, 04:05 AM   #203
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This reminds me of the same kind of thing with my RX8; tall mirror curved on the bottom that blocks forward visibility. It makes no sense because right above the mirror is an overhead console which is where the stupid buttons should be. I don't need to see half the back seat and I sure don't need to see the buttons on the bottom of the mirror. Cut the mirror in half so that only the rear window is visible and move the buttons onto the overhead console which is there for you know...buttons.

I'm getting a 1SS so I guess I'll get the different mirror but I'm always interested in better forward visibility so I'll be looking carefully at a better solution once I get my car. This is something GM should fix though; redo the overhead console panel, move the controls now in the mirror to the overhead console instead, cut height of mirror almost in half; dramatically improve forward visibility.

BIG CLUE TO AUTO DESIGNERS: if the rearview mirror presents such an obstacle to forward visibility that the driver has to physically move around to see AROUND THE MIRROR for safety, then the MIRROR IS UNSAFE and needs redesigning. The "rearview" mirror is for viewing out through the rear window; it's not for buttons, controls or anything else.

Been one of my pet peeves for years; glad I'm not the only one and I totally sympathize with the OP.
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Old 06-28-2009, 01:16 PM   #204
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Steve da Wrench did the mirror flip mod on our 5th Gen this week. It makes a BIG difference both in visibility and appearance. Definitely worth doing!
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:20 PM   #205
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i rather go with no rear view haah
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:40 PM   #206
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are u still able to press the buttons?
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:38 PM   #207
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i rather go with no rear view haah
Good luck with that. Visibility is bad as it is... take away the rear view and you might as well lower insurance deductibles to 0... you're gonna need it!
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Old 07-13-2009, 10:57 PM   #208
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are u still able to press the buttons?
buttons are totally usable.

thanks folks for posting the positive comments!

on a funny note... i got to apologize to the Prius driver today! turns out he lives in my neighborhood!
he was totally cool. he said he was scared of my car 'cause it looked so pissed off (mean)
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:54 PM   #209
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GM, if you are listening, please address this issue for ALL Camaros… now. Hey, I said Please!
GM cannot fix your driving problem; honestly...i'm 6'4 and i can adjust the seat to sink down so low that i can barely see over the steering wheel. This car is very versatile for anyone big or small. I suggest you use even more caution than you did at the stop sign from now on.
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:39 PM   #210
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GM cannot fix your driving problem; honestly...i'm 6'4 and i can adjust the seat to sink down so low that i can barely see over the steering wheel. This car is very versatile for anyone big or small. I suggest you use even more caution than you did at the stop sign from now on.
You pulled a thread that is ~3 months old in order to post your very first reply? Ok, then.
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Old 10-03-2009, 02:52 AM   #211
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You pulled a thread that is ~3 months old in order to post your very first reply? Ok, then.
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:26 PM   #212
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Thanks to all that provide help or some serious thought to a resolution.

To those of you do not have problems seeing… I am TRULY happy that you do not have this problem.

To those who feel it necessary to bash me for making an honest plea for help… write back when you hit puberty!
Sorry, but I couldn’t resist… I just cant SEE how criticism of me gives any help at all… but maybe I cant SEE it because this DARN MIRROR is in the way!
Well, I'm 5'7" and I have trouble too! I think I really noticed it while at a 4 way stop as well. I also noticed that window (front) panel by the passenger is tough too. It's usually the car to my right that I have a problem seeing. I thought it was just me.

Oh well, I keep telling myself it's just a matter of getting used to the car. I've owned Mustangs for years and have barely owned the new Camaro for a month. It's like everything else...it takes practice and patients. It's so worth it!
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Old 11-22-2009, 07:42 PM   #213
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I think he is saying he wants to replace his mirror with a different one but is concerned about losing the onstar??

I take it as he is not happy about the blind spot. Its the price you pay for driving this car. Try driving a corvette. In the mirror you see into the trunk, the entire top of the car and a dental floss line that is out the back window. Not to mention the side view blind spots. This aint your mommas caddy here, you have to pay closer attention and deal with the slightly obstructed view.
Frankly I thought the RV mirror mod looks great and something GM could learn from. The on-star button could go on the dash
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:22 AM   #214
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I just took delivery on 11-12. My mirror is barely 9" by 3.5". It was also already all the way in the up position. I am 6'1" and did not even notice it! The rearview mirror never even stuck out to me nor did I think "that is huge". I wonder if they changed it a bit for the ones just off the line?
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Old 05-15-2010, 03:38 AM   #215
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lol, I hope you do not use a navigation system that attaches to the windshield.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:41 AM   #216
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I finally flipped my mirror today and it's such a relief! In the stock position it not only looks stupid and rounded and droopy with the shape contradicting the shape of the back window that's reflected in it but it's definitely dangerous. It's like it was designed by someone that has never used and never will use a mirror or a windshield. I can't believe that a company that is as obsessed with safety as I know that GM is would make such a huge mistake. I'm a little appalled by people here that admit there's a problem but say you just have to get used to it but I'm genuinely frightened by the people that say they don't have a problem with their mirror at all! They're actually driving down the road totally unaware that they can't see out of half their windshield at this very moment! I've had a full size van totally behind my mirror and almost pulled right into the side of it! I fixed mine finally and feel so much better!
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:24 PM   #217
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I took some pictures that show how much of an improvement the mirror flip fix really is! I feel like I can actually see out now!



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Old 05-24-2010, 09:25 PM   #218
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Dude! Geeze... take it from me - I'm 900 freggin' feet tall. Just adjust the height of your SEAT and the blind spot will disapear. Surprised you didn't try that first. And don't forget that how close your seat is to the dash board also affects your viewing angle. Sitting closer to the window will give you a wider and taller view but may not be as comfortable.

Trust me, the enginners thought about all of this already. ADJUST YOUR SEAT!.

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Old 05-24-2010, 09:37 PM   #219
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I kind of agree with the mirror being a blind spot. I am 6 foot tall and have my seat all the way down. Short of reclining the seat all the way to the back the rear view mirror poses a blind spot for me. I just have to duck my head a bit when at a traffic stop. I like the flipping of the mirror DIY and may give it a whirl at a later date if the issue still bugs me.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:51 PM   #220
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Dude! Geeze... take it from me - I'm 900 freggin' feet tall. Just adjust the height of your SEAT and the blind spot will disapear. Surprised you didn't try that first. And don't forget that how close your seat is to the dash board also affects your viewing angle. Sitting closer to the window will give you a wider and taller view but may not be as comfortable.

Trust me, the enginners thought about all of this already. ADJUST YOUR SEAT!.

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Do you talk to people as if they are idiots in real life or only on the internet?
How many people have to post on how many pages that they adjusted their seat and the mirror is still in the middle of the windshield? I don't care how many engineers "thought about it" the mirror is still twice as big as it needs to be to see the back window and is impossible to raise up to the top of the windshield without flipping it. I don't even know how you can argue with any of this.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:53 PM   #221
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:05 AM   #222
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I need to do something about the mirror in mine also ( and my mirror is already smaller than the one the OP has)
I am only 6 feet tall and I already have the seat as low as it goes and that mirror still sometimes blocks visibility.

What I'd like to do is relocate the onstar buttons to someplace else such as up on the overhead console then get a very slim mirror. (this mirror is easily twice the height it needs to be for our small back window)
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:18 AM   #223
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:53 PM   #224
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Thanks for the mirror flip idea. Making right turns in the cars I have test driven was like driving blindfolded. I'm 6'8 and had the seat all the way down.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:18 PM   #225
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Just got my car.

Thanks for the flip idea, a lot better. I've been searching the forums for a replacement mirror or some solution. I'd really like to add a back up cam.

The mirror (sorta fixed), the seatbelts (sorta fixed with the nylon solution), and the lack of push button start (guess I'm stuck here, but gd economy cars half the price have push button doors/start).. are pissing me off.

Thought I just needed to get used to these annoyances, but they really are designed poorly. Love the car otherwise.
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