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Old 10-02-2012, 09:56 AM   #1
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Question Dealer trying to hose me?

I took my car in because the tranny is macking some noises from time to time. The just called me back and said that my trans pan is dented and that could be restricting flow and causing the noises and slipping I feel from time to time. Does this sound like bs?? The worse part is its $300 for a new pan filter and fluids...NOt sure what to do.

I want it fixed because im putting lt`s and a tune on this weekend so i wil not have a warranty...
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:57 AM   #2
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I took my car in because the tranny is macking some noises from time to time. The just called me back and said that my trans pan is dented and that could be restricting flow and causing the noises and slipping I feel from time to time. Does this sound like bs?? The worse part is its $300 for a new pan filter and fluids...NOt sure what to do.

I want it fixed because im putting lt`s and a tune on this weekend so i wil not have a warranty...
Shouldn't this be covered under warranty and not cost you out of pocket, or am I missing something?
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Shouldn't this be covered under warranty and not cost you out of pocket, or am I missing something?

Your missing something ... He said the pan was dented, it does not come from the factory that way. Physical damage by the owner is not covered under warranty.
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If it's dented, that would indicate that you hit something and it wouldn't be a factory defect hence not covered by warranty. Has it done this since you bought the car or did you hit the median somewhere along the line?
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Your missing something ... He said the pan was dented, it does not come from the factory that way. Physical damage by the owner is not covered under warranty.
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If it's dented, that would indicate that you hit something and it wouldn't be a factory defect hence not covered by warranty. Has it done this since you bought the car or did you hit the median somewhere along the line?

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Your missing something ... He said the pan was dented, it does not come from the factory that way. Physical damage by the owner is not covered under warranty.
I was indeed missing something. Thank you.

I'd personally pay and get it fixed...I mean, it's not too big of a bill at least. Still sucks though.
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:32 AM   #7
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Ask to see the pan. If it is dented it is indeed your fault.
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I know i obviouslt dented the pan. IM askin if that could cause the tranny to act up???
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Which reminds me of a story.... four days ago, I was cruising along Hwy 18, a mountain road in Southern California. I saw a rock about the size of a basketball in the right lane. Those of us who live on the mountain and are able- bodied know that, with only rare exception, we've got an obligation to stop and move hazards like this out of the road.

Having done this many times, I knew (1) Don't stop right next to the rock, because more rocks may come from the same place IT came from, and (2) Don't even park within about 200 - 300 feet of it, because if SOMEBODY hits it before I can get out of the car, accident debris could hit my car.

Sho nuff... I got out, walked back to where the rock was... but there was a car coming, in that lane. I saw a semi- comatose old man, mouth open (and I'm pretty sure he was drooling) drive into that rock at 65 MPH.

It was an awesome spectacle. The impact was loud, smoke, rock fragments, automotive debris scattered everywhere... looked almost like an explosion from "CHiPs!" Within a few feet beyond the impact zone, a two- foot wide oil slick began, and followed the car down the road... yep, the car continued.

(Glad that I parked a distance away... and next time, it'll be even further... rocks the size of softballs skittered past the Camaro, on both sides, but never hit it... whew.)

If the guy had a lick of sense, he would have stopped. But... he kept driving. I spent a minute removing the larger remaining fragments from the road (and noted how slippery his oil spill was, which led me to notify highway patrol of the hazrd, especially to motorcyclists on the winding road), then followed the oil slick. After about one mile, the oil slick suddenly vanished... I was surprised that it took that long for every drop of oil in his Toyota Avalon to disappear. However, the road split into multiple directions at that point, so I was unable to see where he inevitably broke down...

I did, however, happen to see the car on the back of a tow truck a couple of hours later... by chance, I had an opportunity to talk to the tow truck driver. I asked him what was wrong with the car... he replied: "Stupid old man hit a big rock in the road, ripped his oil pan off... but he kept driving until his engine blew! It's toast!"

If the old geezer had thought to pull over when that catastrophic impact happened (and trust me, it was NOT even remotely subtle!), he would have gotten by with nothing but an oil pan repair. However, he was apparently of the, "If I pretend it didn't happen, then it didn't happen!" school of logic, and now his engine requires replacement, too.

So, not much to do with the current thread, I just boldly took the opportunity to make a remote segue, transform it into a hijack, and long pontification regarding yet another example of why there comes a time when "too elderly" means it's time to hang up the keys...
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:24 AM   #11
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I know i obviouslt dented the pan. IM askin if that could cause the tranny to act up???
Oh, and I have never heard of a dented pan causing trans problems... unless it's REALLY bashed in hard, I don't think there are any moving parts in that proximity. MAYBE it could pinch a hose and restrict fluid movement... but even that is kind of a stretch. I'd recommend a second opinion from another mechanic, perhaps a mechanic whose business doesn't benefit from denying claims...
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So, not much to do with the current thread, I just boldly took the opportunity to make a remote segue, transform it into a hijack, and long pontification regarding yet another example of why there comes a time when "too elderly" means it's time to hang up the keys...
I've known PLENTY of stupid, young drivers as well, so that logic doesn't wash.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:31 AM   #13
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I know i obviouslt dented the pan. IM askin if that could cause the tranny to act up???
Yes it can, the filter/pickup is at the bottom and those could be restricted by a pan problem. This could be verified by a technician checking trans pressures.

If the pan is pushed in, will need to be taken off and then the trans can be checked out further once the pan is off.

I'd contact your insurance if the estimate is real high, possibly could do a road hazard claim.

When I was a tech, a lot of engine and trans damage became insurance claims once the complete estimate was available. Dented engine or trans pan damage is pretty common from road debris. The repairs can be very expensive,
which is why it may be worth it to go the insurance route.

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I'd say you gotta pay for the damaged parts, for sure....C'mon, man. You really expect them to overlook that sort of damage and fix the tranny, and put back the damaged parts?....If replacing the pan eliminates the trans acting up, consider yourself lucky.
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A dented pan could easily block or restrict fluid flow. The pickup filter sits quite close to the bottom.
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The labor is going to be a killer, front suspension and subframe have to come out.
For the TRANSMISSION pan?

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Great story......


The fluid filter acts as the fluid pick up. If the pan is smashed into the filter it could be stopping flow or could have broken the filter all together. Long term use with the filter restricted or broken will cause complete failure of the tranny over time. Also, there are a number of switches and things in the same area attatched to your valve body that regulate pressure flow for each gear. Remove the pan, inspect the area, change any broken parts, drain and flush, and refill adding a bottle of Lucas Stop Slip for good measure. If it has not been long since it was damaged you shouldn't have any issues with it after this, I hope everything works out for you.


Or you could go a head and up grade the tranny and not have to worry about it again. Its aleady going to cost you $$$$$$$$$$$ so might as well.
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That and there is no conventional fill tube to refill the trans.
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I took my car in because the tranny is macking some noises from time to time. The just called me back and said that my trans pan is dented and that could be restricting flow and causing the noises and slipping I feel from time to time. Does this sound like bs?? The worse part is its $300 for a new pan filter and fluids...NOt sure what to do.

I want it fixed because im putting lt`s and a tune on this weekend so i wil not have a warranty...
This is a cutaway of the 6l80. The pan itself is fairly shallow so it wouldn`t surprise me that depending how large the dent is it would interfere with transmission fluid flow.
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and the filter sits right on the bottom of the pan, with the inlet on the bottom of the filter.
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I hit a big rock that fell from a cliff in a 1996 Nissan Sentra. Drove it home about a mile away. The tranny pan was shattered! Insurance scrapped it as the car was fully insured (I do that because big rocks and safes fall from the sky aiming for me daily) and the insurance company "totalled it" and cut me a check.

I knew the guy at the place they took it to inspect it, and he found a used tranny in Seattle for $320 and he offered to swap it out for another $300. So I asked the insurance babe if I could buy the car back and got a resounding NO! Nowadays, they have a whole side industry of places that take the totalled car, disassemble it, and categorize it, and place it into inventory and re-sell the parts like a junkyard. Whatever is left is sold off as scrap steel.

Oh yeah, about the subject matter, I would pay the $300, and if it isn't fixed, then you know it aint the dent. And who wants a dented pan, may leak eventually.
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For the TRANSMISSION pan?

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oops, your correct, for some reason I was thinking of the oil pan. Trans pan labor shouldn't be too high. I looked up the warranty flat rate and it is .8 So retail work may be a bit over an hour of labor.
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I've known PLENTY of stupid, young drivers as well, so that logic doesn't wash.
I never said that "old" drivers are the only ones who should hang up the keys... plenty of others fall into that category, too... but, ask the postmaster general of Florida what his thoughts on the matter are, he may be able to offer greater insight.

This was a case of somebody, for SOME reason, unable to determine what the safe response would be after a violent collision like that... and, in this case, it appears to be a case of "too old to drive."

Anecdotal, sure... but can be added to a long list of other examples to become statistical.
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...I do that because big rocks and safes fall from the sky aiming for me daily...
That happens... pretty sure there's a certain roadrunner responsible for that.

A friend of mine had a rock come off of the mountain, go through the winshield, and crush his hand. Yes, he was lucky that it didn't kill him, but wayward rocks a' rollin' ain't no joke!
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Ya so i just talked to him and told him to go ahead and do the pan. Also told him to inspect the internalswhile the pan was off. He said he will and even if everything looks good but it craps out down the road it will documented and he will try and take care of it under warranty for me and i got it down to like 280.00
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