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Old 08-31-2012, 11:44 AM   #1
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Think Hard And Long About ILE Pkg

After doing a lot of research and study on the camaro with ILE pkg , if its a daily driver , don't do it. The wonderful thing about the ZL1 is the suspension. It will adjust to how your driving. It could be used as daily driver without beating you up. With the 1LE , there is only one ride "HARD"

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Old 08-31-2012, 11:48 AM   #2
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Old 08-31-2012, 12:05 PM   #3
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I have driven a ZL1 , and know what it can do. The problem is there will be a lot of members ordering the 1LE without feeling the hard ride it needs in order to handle the way it does on the track.

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Old 08-31-2012, 12:08 PM   #4
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I've done suspension mods to my SS and the ride is hard. I drive it to work frequently and have taken some long trips too. It really doesn't bother me
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I have driven a ZL1 , and know what it can do. The problem is there will be a lot of members ordering the ILE without feeling the hard ride it needs in order to handle the way it does on the track.
Oh, well that makes some sense. Reminds of the "I turned my TC off and wrecked" threads. These cars are beast and caution is advised.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:02 PM   #6
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I agree one should "drive before they buy". I feel this way about any car. But I fully intend to take mine to the track and only ocassionally drive it to work. I will still drive before I buy even with that in mind just because it makes no sense to make such a huge finacial decision without testing it out. But I'm ok with some harshness, I'm sure its better than the old C4 vettes, those were like a go kart with solid rubber wheels and no suspension.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:16 PM   #7
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After doing a lot of research and study on the camaro with ILE pkg , if its a daily driver , don't do it. The wonderful thing about the ZL1 is the suspension. It will adjust to how your driving. It could be used as daily driver without beating you up. With the ILE , there is only one ride "HARD"
I am sorry, but why would you make such a statement without having driven one? What research did you do to make that call? You read one review from a guy that drives a ZL1 and you ran with it. MR is whole other level.

GM knows how to make a car ride and handle nice, I am certain we will all enjoy the ride. The boss vs. 1le comparison (automobile mag?) also states the 1LE drives very nice on the roads. Other first drives had no issues with ride at Gingerman, not the smoothest track in the world. Finally, spring rates seem to be same as SS, damping only difference, so the ride will not be THAT different.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:20 PM   #8
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If it was a WOMAN, I'd test drive it first before committing :P

I'm "all in" for a 1LE as a daily driver; sight unseen. We're all very aware that it will have a tighter ride. It's not like were in a slammed civic with zero travel. Those who wait will kick themselves IMO as the benefits will FAR outweigh a lil rougher daily ride.

I for one like to feel the road a little bit more anyways. It somehow make me feel more connected with the road than driving along and not feeling a single bump or subtleties in the road.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:31 PM   #9
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Can't ride Any harder than my '85 and '87 iROCs did. And if it does the body structure is 3 times stiffer so there is NO creaking and squeaking and the general trashy feeling 3rd gens had-- so I could put up to with the hard ride.

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Old 08-31-2012, 01:32 PM   #10
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If it was a WOMAN, I'd test drive it first before committing :P

I'm "all in" for a 1LE as a daily driver; sight unseen. We're all very aware that it will have a tighter ride. It's not like were in a slammed civic with zero travel. Those who wait will kick themselves IMO as the benefits will FAR outweigh a lil rougher daily ride.

I for one like to feel the road a little bit more anyways. It somehow make me feel more connected with the road than driving along and not feeling a single bump or subtleties in the road.
Good one. GM says "we are giving 2% of customers a car for the track", if people are daily driving and worried about ride you shouldn't be getting a track orineted car in the first place.

Keep in mind this car is from a company that has two mode exhaust (cares about NVH), acoustic treatments on a track car on the hood, engine cover, intake cover, trunk lid, laminated glass, a 600hp car without supercharger whine etc. etc . etc. They also added larger sway bars to it (handling), stickier tires (handling), which don't really impact ride that much, hence SS ride.

I am certain it will ride close to a SS.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:35 PM   #11
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If you did a lot of research you should know that its 1LE not ILE.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:55 PM   #12
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What makes these 1LE's, so called "a harsh ride", is the monotube shocks. Factory SS suspensions today use twin tubes for comfort. I've always upgraded my Camaro's with Bilsteins shocks and struts, and the ride is hard but controllable. It was comfortable enough for me but not for passengers. But then again, I mainly used it for patrol work. Used the sedan for groceries. Now I drive a Charger R/T and upgraded with hotchkis and koni's (which are twin tubes). Those that know, twin tubes are good for mild performance, which you get firmer ride but not harsh. This was not good for my taste, it still felt soft. My driving style is not like the average person. So i'm switching to Bilsteins again. Hope this helps some of those that chose to buy the 1LE.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:31 PM   #13
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Good one. GM says "we are giving 2% of customers a car for the track", if people are daily driving and worried about ride you shouldn't be getting a track orineted car in the first place.

Keep in mind this car is from a company that has two mode exhaust (cares about NVH), acoustic treatments on a track car on the hood, engine cover, intake cover, trunk lid, laminated glass, a 600hp car without supercharger whine etc. etc . etc. They also added larger sway bars to it (handling), stickier tires (handling), which don't really impact ride that much, hence SS ride.

I am certain it will ride close to a SS.
Comfort wise a bit less, agreed close though

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What makes these 1LE's, so called "a harsh ride", is the monotube shocks. Factory SS suspensions today use twin tubes for comfort. I've always upgraded my Camaro's with Bilsteins shocks and struts, and the ride is hard but controllable. It was comfortable enough for me but not for passengers. But then again, I mainly used it for patrol work. Used the sedan for groceries. Now I drive a Charger R/T and upgraded with hotchkis and koni's (which are twin tubes). Those that know, twin tubes are good for mild performance, which you get firmer ride but not harsh. This was not good for my taste, it still felt soft. My driving style is not like the average person. So i'm switching to Bilsteins again. Hope this helps some of those that chose to buy the 1LE.
I want to close up the wheel "gap" without making it even more "harsh". Also do not want to put some huge ass wheels on it either(staying with stocker 20s off the ZL1). Think I might have to either go with coils that have camber adjustments etc or springs (maybe 2"F and 1.5"R) and have a kit installed to help with alignment/wheel wear. I DONT want to make this ride any rougher but I think it will be fine
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:41 PM   #14
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Zo6 ride comparison

I have had different z's over the last 8 years. They ride firm but very controlled, I call it taunt, I think that is a word?
Anyway, I would never tell anyone to not buy a ZO6 Vette because the ride is fun. I have a 2SS 2013 and another on order but don't want to wait a long time for that option. Don' like the hood really.
Getting back into the muscle car feel of the Camaro and out of the Vette until the new body style, C7, shows up. If you didn't know, prices are good now on C5 and C6 Corvettes. Skip
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Comfort wise a bit less, agreed close though


HA I didn't even spot that.



I want to close up the wheel "gap" without making it even more "harsh". Also do not want to put some huge ass wheels on it either(staying with stocker 20s off the ZL1). Think I might have to either go with coils that have camber adjustments etc or springs (maybe 2"F and 1.5"R) and have a kit installed to help with alignment/wheel wear. I DONT want to make this ride any rougher but I think it will be fine
If you're doing springs, just watch the spring rate. Spring rate and sway bar diameter will have an effect on whether your car will push (understeer) or be to free or loose (oversteer). I think Chevy got it just right when they fixed the understeer on the SS with the 1LE. A little bit bigger sway bar, if they make one, and a tiny bit of negative camber, should actually eliminate the understeer. But you might sacrifice tires for daily driving. Testing is fun, so test the hell of your 1LE when you get it, have fun doing it. I know I would.
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I have had different z's over the last 8 years. They ride firm but very controlled, I call it taunt, I think that is a word?
Anyway, I would never tell anyone to not buy a ZO6 Vette because the ride is fun. I have a 2SS 2013 and another on order but don't want to wait a long time for that option. Don' like the hood really.
Getting back into the muscle car feel of the Camaro and out of the Vette until the new body style, C7, shows up. If you didn't know, prices are good now on C5 and C6 Corvettes. Skip
Man...if I had the money like some on this forum, I would definitely consider the Z06, plus the 1LE. Z06 for pure race fun and 1LE for race fun and getting groceries afterwards. Like your thinking there. BTW...you have 2013 2SS and another on order? What are you getting? I'm definitely "j" right now.
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What makes these 1LE's, so called "a harsh ride", is the monotube shocks. Factory SS suspensions today use twin tubes for comfort. I've always upgraded my Camaro's with Bilsteins shocks and struts, and the ride is hard but controllable. It was comfortable enough for me but not for passengers. But then again, I mainly used it for patrol work. Used the sedan for groceries. Now I drive a Charger R/T and upgraded with hotchkis and koni's (which are twin tubes). Those that know, twin tubes are good for mild performance, which you get firmer ride but not harsh. This was not good for my taste, it still felt soft. My driving style is not like the average person. So i'm switching to Bilsteins again. Hope this helps some of those that chose to buy the 1LE.
Do you get you Camaro Bilsteins through MTI Racing or some other manufacturer?
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It was my '98 Camaro SS I did it to, and I think we got it from Thunder Racing at the time. My Bilstein's now if for my Charger R/T and I got it from Tire Rack. Already I can tell the difference, monotube shocks are larger in diameter and heavier than the koni's I have on now. I just checked the Bilstein site, they don't make shocks for the current Camaros. Sorry for any confusion.
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Have a 2SS RS 13 auto Blue Ray Metallic in garage, pictures in general section. Like it so much,wifes new ride, I just ordered Crystal Red 2SS RS with Hurst and performance ext.
Was driving C6 ZO6 but just got talked out of it by someone. Ha!! Getting ready for new C7 style. For now like this Camaro. Just looked. my order is in. Did not want to wait for 1le car.
Before I turned the ZO6 over to a friend I Showed its taillights to a new 13 ZL1. so I want to start on a LS3 and see what I can do with it.
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Good one. GM says "we are giving 2% of customers a car for the track", if people are daily driving and worried about ride you shouldn't be getting a track orineted car in the first place.

Keep in mind this car is from a company that has two mode exhaust (cares about NVH), acoustic treatments on a track car on the hood, engine cover, intake cover, trunk lid, laminated glass, a 600hp car without supercharger whine etc. etc . etc. They also added larger sway bars to it (handling), stickier tires (handling), which don't really impact ride that much, hence SS ride.

I am certain it will ride close to a SS.
It's the shocks more than anything that will cause the harshness. Unless you have really bad roads any enthusiast will be fine.
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Check this out and decide folks. You'll get a better understanding. A video is worth a million words.

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I have had different z's over the last 8 years. They ride firm but very controlled, I call it taunt, I think that is a word?
Anyway, I would never tell anyone to not buy a ZO6 Vette because the ride is fun. I have a 2SS 2013 and another on order but don't want to wait a long time for that option. Don' like the hood really.
Getting back into the muscle car feel of the Camaro and out of the Vette until the new body style, C7, shows up. If you didn't know, prices are good now on C5 and C6 Corvettes. Skip
I believe the word your looking for is "taut"

taut/tôt/
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1.Stretched or pulled tight; not slack: "the fabric stays taut without adhesive".
2.(esp. of muscles or nerves) Tense; not relaxed.


taunt/tônt/

Noun:
A remark made in order to anger, wound, or provoke someone.

Verb:
Provoke or challenge (someone) with insulting remarks: "students began taunting her about her weight".

Synonyms:
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verb. mock - deride - jeer - gibe - ridicule - twit - scoff

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Check this out and decide folks. You'll get a better understanding. A video is worth a million words.

Very Informative, thanks for sharing.
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it's not going to be that hard. it's not like the camaro is a Cadillac in the first place.
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