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Old 09-01-2012, 09:16 PM   #1
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GM future styling vs Blue oval

http://www.leftlanenews.com/photos/f...icture-15.html, Fords next mustang possibly. Not trying to be foolish posting this on a Camaro forum but since this is the straight rival for our Camaros I figure we got to see what the competition is doing.
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Link doesn't work for me.
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Basically type in 2015 ford mustang
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Looks like Ford new possible design with a hint of sexy, smooth and a tad bit of European styling and the claims of independent rear suspension is really in the works.
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Independent rear suspension is confirmed. Everything else is just speculation at this point
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Cars are going to be way better in the future for sure.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:52 PM   #7
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With the Mustang getting IRS, what is GMs excuse for having motors putting out less HP? They can't say at least our cars handle better.
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GM is fixing their excuse with a smaller light weight platform. shoot keep the LSA and everything else but drop 300lbs. i think ill be alright with being a few ponies down on power cause the IRS for Ford mean they will lose alittle on their 1/4.
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The link you posted doesn't show the pictures you have in the OP... it's a red car that looks different in the back than the one you posted and says EVOS on the back...
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GM is fixing their excuse with a smaller light weight platform. shoot keep the LSA and everything else but drop 300lbs. i think ill be alright with being a few ponies down on power cause the IRS for Ford mean they will lose alittle on their 1/4.
I highly doubt the LSA will be around in the 6th gen. The gen V engines will be out by that time.
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The link you posted doesn't show the pictures you have in the OP... it's a red car that looks different in the back than the one you posted and says EVOS on the back...
Sorry I didn't mention that I did that to show another possible design of what may be the new Stang.
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GM is fixing their excuse with a smaller light weight platform. shoot keep the LSA and everything else but drop 300lbs. i think ill be alright with being a few ponies down on power cause the IRS for Ford mean they will lose alittle on their 1/4.
ford's plan is to drop some weight too. the IRS and lighter weight (not to mention the now confirmed ecoboost engine options) are all part of ford's "globalization" of the mustang. if all the rumors and ford's off-the-record comments are true, then the new mustang will weigh less than the current GT model even with the IRS.
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I love euro styling.. but do not like the 15 mustang 'design.' We'll see, but they have to remember that these are supposed to be muscle cars/pony/etc. Not euro/asian designed eco cars.
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I love euro styling.. but do not like the 15 mustang 'design.' We'll see, but they have to remember that these are supposed to be muscle cars/pony/etc. Not euro/asian designed eco cars.
That's the way things will go in the new "global" market.
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I dig the current retro 60's designs better but I am aware that they can't stay forever.
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I dig the current retro 60's designs better but I am aware that they can't stay forever.
It works for Porsche.
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It works for Porsche.
The Porsche shape is timeless. The 64.5 mustang coupe has the silhouette of a fuggin shoebox with wheels. I'm kinda glad ford evolved. Though a wouldn't mind a slammed fastback with IRS and an N/A mod mill. One can dream...
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All of the people who want a retro Stang now have one, it is time to move on. Modern, lighter, IRS, with a few Mustang cues and I'm fine. AS LONG AS IT HAS A V-8!!!!!!
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I have a question and this does pertain to both Ford and Chevy, heck even Dodge. Why is it that all new autos "HAVE" to be be stylized in a European manner? I understand that times change and so does style but why can't European motors go more American? It's like for some odd reason quite a bit of auto critics make it seem as if Americanized design is "TABOO" in the automotive world. I for one am an American Muscle fan and suppport GM, Ford, MOPAR, etc. and love the designs of our vehicles, sspecially the 4th Gens. I guess what I'm trying to do is play devil's advocate and ask why should modern American muscle have to follow Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Bugatti. Isn't that what had set hs apart from the european autos especially now recently with the retro designs?

Now I for one do agree that the retro styling has began to run it's course and do hope for new bodies for the Mustang and Camaro, I don't see the Challenger making another appearance however, but that's how I feel. I would just rather see the designs be aimed at a more innovative approach, instead of a "European" one. Look at what we have created so far, muscle with heritage performing at numbers that are beginning to rival those of Porsche and Ferrari, and if i dare say, exceeding those with the help of SLP, Hennessey, Shelby, Saleen etc. and handling circuits just as good...with of course some minor tweaking. Im just saying I wish we could still keep American Muscle, American and not have to rely on Germany, France, or Italy for their designs because our muscles have set a tone in the automotive world and a style on their own, I just would like to keep it that way.

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I have a question and this does pertain to both Ford and Chevy, heck even Dodge. Why is it that all new autos "HAVE" to be be stylized in a European manner? I understand that times change and so does style but why can't European motors go more American? It's like for some odd reason quite a bit of auto critics make it seem as if Americanized design is "TABOO" in the automotive world. I for one am an American Muscle fan and suppport GM, Ford, MOPAR, etc. and love the designs of our vehicles, sspecially the 4th Gens. I guess what I'm trying to do is play devil's advocate and ask why should modern American muscle have to follow Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Bugatti. Isn't that what had set hs apart from the european autos especially now recently with the retro designs?

Now I for one do agree that the retro styling has began to run it's course and do hope for new bodies for the Mustang and Camaro, I don't see the Challenger making another appearance however, but that's how I feel. I would just rather see the designs be aimed at a more innovative approach, instead of a "European" one. Look at what we have created so far, muscle with heritage performing at numbers that are beginning to rival those of Porsche and Ferrari, and if i dare say, exceeding those with the help of SLP, Hennessey, Shelby, Saleen etc. and handling circuits just as good...with of course some minor tweaking. Im just saying I wish we could still keep American Muscle, American and not have to rely on Germany, France, or Italy for their designs because our muscles have set a tone in the automotive world and a style on their own, I just would like to keep it that way.

K, now I'll step off my soapbox and continue on with my day.
I completely agree with you. I don't like that look if in fact that's the new Mustang. I too wish American designers would stop copying Japanese/Korean/European designers and study actual American designs from the past and update accordingly.

One of the reasons the 5th gen Camaro was/is such a success is it looks like an American car; not a warmed-over wannabe from some other continent.

I wish American car companies would stop doing the slashing angles, sharp jagged shards of glass look in their shapes and forms. Others are already doing that and have established it as "their" style.

It used to be American cars were bold, brash, confident. British cars were elegant, refined, classy. German cars were efficient and mechanical. Italian cars were sleek and sexy. French cars were odd; utilitarian. Once the Japanese car industry got on its feet they started the slashing angles, slanted eyes, robotic stying which is their style and they do it better than anyone else.

Now there's too much sameness; sometimes it's hard to tell what car maker's car I'm looking at because many of them are so much alike now. The Mustang and Camaro don't look like anything from anybody else anywhere. They need to stay that way, not start to look like every other car company's idea of what "future" looks like. If that concept is the direction Ford is going with the Mustang I personally think it's a big mistake.
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It isn't as much European styling, heck I have no idea what that means. The driver is size of the car and size of the engine.

In Europe for example, there are two key issues that drive this.

First is fuel prices which flirted with $10 per gallon there for a while and I think are still double what we pay. Tied to the need for better fuel economy is also the taxation on engine displacement. I remember when I had Fbodfather's Thor in Florida back in '09 and I met a guy who said back home a 6.2L engine would cost him the price of the car in taxes alone. So even if you are well off, you want a decent car that gets good Fuel Economy.

Second is parking and street size. If you have driven in Europe you know that having big car is simply inconventient. Hard to park, hard to drive. Thus another reason for a smaller proportioned car.

The old American addage if you want a nicer car you have to buy a bigger one is fading fast and doesn't work in Europe.

There is also a 5 meter length issue, but not sure if that is taxable issue as well.

So it isn't so much European style, but European proportions. And with the need to get reasonable volume for any new car you have to consider it for Europe and well that happens to also mean China these days.

In Europe, you could buy a car the size of a Chevy Cruze and get a luxury car with great performance (3 Series for example). Here, a car that size used to get you a Cobalt or a Neon or an Escort. Now those cars all have to be nicer, higher quality vehicles.

And with Green House Gas laws and CAFE both requiring 50 plus MPGs very soon, you'll see more of this common proportion to give a small car with good room and high quality materials and features.
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I read the base engine in the 2015 Stang will be the ecoboost 4banger. DI in the V6 and V8 also. All speculation right now though.
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There is a profound difference between ditching the retro look and ditching the car's traditional design cues. I love the retro fad myself, but if it's time to move on from it, I can support that. However, in the Mustang's case, that doesn't necessarily mean I want to see the fastback, tri-bar tail lamps and split side window cues that I believe define the car, be deducted from subsequent designs.

Someone brought up Porsche which made perfect sense. A Porsche has always looked like a Porsche while still staying fresh. The Corvette is another example of this at work. Why should the Mustang be any different?

The bad part about this is that whatever the Mustang does, the Camaro is going to follow suit. :(
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I love euro styling.. but do not like the 15 mustang 'design.' We'll see, but they have to remember that these are supposed to be muscle cars/pony/etc. Not euro/asian designed eco cars.
Keep in mind all these concpets you see are just artists renderings, guessing what they think the 15 will look like. There has been nothing official from Ford yet on the design, nothing official on the design has been released yet. These are just artist renderings, nothing official
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It isn't as much European styling, heck I have no idea what that means. The driver is size of the car and size of the engine.

In Europe for example, there are two key issues that drive this.

First is fuel prices which flirted with $10 per gallon there for a while and I think are still double what we pay. Tied to the need for better fuel economy is also the taxation on engine displacement. I remember when I had Fbodfather's Thor in Florida back in '09 and I met a guy who said back home a 6.2L engine would cost him the price of the car in taxes alone. So even if you are well off, you want a decent car that gets good Fuel Economy.

Second is parking and street size. If you have driven in Europe you know that having big car is simply inconventient. Hard to park, hard to drive. Thus another reason for a smaller proportioned car.

The old American addage if you want a nicer car you have to buy a bigger one is fading fast and doesn't work in Europe.

There is also a 5 meter length issue, but not sure if that is taxable issue as well.

So it isn't so much European style, but European proportions. And with the need to get reasonable volume for any new car you have to consider it for Europe and well that happens to also mean China these days.

In Europe, you could buy a car the size of a Chevy Cruze and get a luxury car with great performance (3 Series for example). Here, a car that size used to get you a Cobalt or a Neon or an Escort. Now those cars all have to be nicer, higher quality vehicles.

And with Green House Gas laws and CAFE both requiring 50 plus MPGs very soon, you'll see more of this common proportion to give a small car with good room and high quality materials and features.
All those are perfectly valid issues if you're making a car for the world market. And even if you are, that doesn't automatically mean you have to follow a particular look and style. Look at a 1966 Corvette, a 1966 Jaguar XKE, a 1966 Ferrari and a 1966 Porsche 911. All 4 are high-power, fast sports cars yet each is beautiful and distinct in it's styling. There's absolutely no chance you'll mistake the designs as being anything from somebody/someplace else other than the countries they were from. This is what bothers me about current designers; there's just too much "me too" styling that seems to indicate all designers everywhere went to the same school under the same teacher.

When new Ferrari's start to look like Mazda concept cars, when Ford's start to look like Hyundai's... Just because Honda Accords are very successful doesn't mean everybody has to start designing their cars to look like that.

The 5th gen Camaro is proof that beautiful American designs are still possible and will still sell. I just hope the Camaro design team isn't falling victim to "current" trendy styles with the 6th gen design.
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