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Old 09-06-2012, 09:05 AM   #1
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17's VS 18's

I have only made a few passes down the track on stock tires and I am hooked...except for the traction.
I just started researching wheel and tire combos for the back and it appears I could spend a bag of money on custom made 17" wheels or I could simply purchase some 18 vette replicas for the back. As a novice will I see any noticeable gains with 17's? If I purchase 18's will I kick my self later when I want that extra tenth or two?
When it comes to tire selection should I look for a tire with similar height to stock? (nearly 28")
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:16 AM   #2
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If your hooked as you say then you'll always want that extra tenth or two. That being said, go for the 17's. I bought mine from Rich at Bogart and their great. You can get Hoosiers from:
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:46 AM   #3
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The big thing about 17's is that Hoosier makes a really nice drag slick for them (28x10-17). There are NO true 18" drag slicks available from any manufacturer. So, with 18's you will always be stuck running a drag radial (not a bad thing, unless you get serious about your drag racing). With 17's, you can run either....
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Love my 17's... so glad I went this route instead of Z06 rims. Now I just need to find some 17's for the front.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:25 PM   #5
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I like the idea that 17's have the ability to have slicks. At this point I will be driving the car to and from the track so I will start with drag radials. Now I just need to figure out the differences between ZL1 and SS for backspace and clearance issues with brakes etc.
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I know I've seen pictures on here of a ZL1 sporting 17" Weld RT-S Wheels. Not 100% sure if they are the same offsets as what is recommended for the SS, but I would guess so. You could try calling Weld and ask them directly???
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I know I've seen pictures on here of a ZL1 sporting 17" Weld RT-S Wheels. Not 100% sure if they are the same offsets as what is recommended for the SS, but I would guess so. You could try calling Weld and ask them directly???
Yes, ZL has same offsets and the SS. I know the guy that had those wheels on. They use to belong to Scottywheels.

Ted will have my 17" Bogarts and 325 drag radials on his zl tomorrow at the rental.
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Yes, ZL has same offsets and the SS. I know the guy that had those wheels on. They use to belong to Scottywheels.

Ted will have my 17" Bogarts and 325 drag radials on his zl tomorrow at the rental.
Please update tomorrow on how they fit and run down the track .
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Please update tomorrow on how they fit and run down the track .
They fit great. Just like on the SS but I'll see how they do at the track.
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They fit great. Just like on the SS but I'll see how they do at the track.
Sorry, last Q, I do not want to make a very expensive mistake.
Did they bolt right up or was there modifications to calipers,hoses or control arms? Are they 9.5's with 40mm offsets? Or wider?
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Sorry, last Q, I do not want to make a very expensive mistake.
Did they bolt right up or was there modifications to calipers,hoses or control arms? Are they 9.5's with 40mm offsets? Or wider?
They bolt right up. You just need to tie back the ebrake cable. Teds car is 100% stock. Im sorry I don't know the specs in the wheels. Bogart doesn't make that public. If for some reason it doesn't work out tomorrow with then I'll let you know. Im assuming they have then on his car already. I haven't heard otherwise. Just don't go ordering anything until Monday!!

They are 10" wide. That I do know.
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The 17" Bogarts bolted right on at the track today. No issues. I don't even think you need to tie back the ebrake cable since its relocated on the ZL do to the wider wheels.

Hope this helps.
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Thank you very much. Are there any issues with not having tire pressure sensors?
What did Ted run on the front?
What did you guys learn from your testing?
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Thank you very much. Are there any issues with not having tire pressure sensors?
What did Ted run on the front?
What did you guys learn from your testing?
No issues with no tpms. After a ton of passes or some miles driven the light will come on but that's it. Ive had some kind of bogart on for 13 months straight with no issues.

Ted ran the stockers up front. He didn't see the need for the skinnies.

I learned that teds zl is slow!! 12.0-12.1 at 114-116 completely stock in 3000 da. The DR's dead hooked and he cut 1.8 60's. He just needs to tune it up.

I would say unless you're going past 550 rwhp save your money and go with 18's.

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Cool , so no limp mode just a light. That is good to know.
I have a 13 with a ADM tune somewhere around 650rwhp
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Cool , so no limp mode just a light. That is good to know.
I have a 13 with a ADM tune somewhere around 650rwhp
I'd get the 17's then. You may end up needing a slick at somepoint.

No limp mode. Just a light.
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I learned that teds zl is slow!! 12.0-12.1 at 114-116 completely stock in 3000 da. The DR's dead hooked and he cut 1.8 60's. He just needs to tune it up.
how dare you tease the man who creates your tunes.
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how dare you tease the man who creates your tunes.
Your car is 3 seconds faster. He must have gotten the "slow" shade of yellow. He even said he was bored cruising down the track!!

And maybe you can use some of that $$$ to buy some F'in mufflers!!! Me ears are still ringing from standing near it at the lights!!
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I have had the 18" C6 Z06 rears and dag radials for a few years and they do pretty good I have gotten low 1.7X 60' times and passes in the low 10.9X range most of the time out of them. I just ordered a set of Weld wheels 17x10 and 17x5 they are almost as light as the Bogarts and can be used on the street. I am looking to gain a couple of tenths to get in the 10.6Xs. A friend on mine has a full set of 26.5" skinnies and MT ET Street bias ply tires, I am going to try them before I order a set of rear M&H 325/45s drag radials. Just remember bias ply is OK on the front with bias or radial rears, but do not run a front radial and a bias ply rear tire it is dangerous.
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