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Old 09-10-2012, 09:25 PM   #1
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Thumbs up This is the way that I will like my next Camaro 1LE

Presently I'm the owner of an '11 5.0 GT Brembo Mustang, that I bough after looking at MT comparative of this car with the BMW M3 (very similar performance for half the cost). Now I'm amazed after I read on how the Camaro 1LE beat the BOSS Laguna at the track. I think that the 1LE will be a great replacement for my car, and specially since I will like to track it. This is the way that I will like my next 1LE: -Silver Ice metallic (the black hood looks OK with this color choice). or -Rally yellow. This color, if I had the chance to include the black stripes of the Transformers edition or the Black Rally Stripes (remove the black hood decal), and to include the great looking High wing spoiler. What I like from the 2SS: is the head up display, four gauge auxiliary cluster and the USB. But I will need to think this one twice, since it will be a shame to replace those leather seats for sport seats. The Dual mode performance exhausts, looks like a great option. From the RS package, the only thing that is worth it, is the LED halo headlights. (GM web page looks strange, if I chose this package it remove the 1LE black wheels). I don't know if the Black or Body color ground effects, could be included with the 1LE package, It allow me to chose them together, but they don't show any change in the GM web page. The my link w/. navigation will be a good choice. On my present Mustang GT, I did some aftermarket changes, that where not allowed in my order: The Brembo, could not be combined with the CS rear pedestal spoiler. Later on I add them to my car, , I really liked the "C" stripes similar to the BOSS, so I also add them to my car. I made those changes, and my car looks great. That is why, I'm thinking of the possibility to do those changes to a 1LE yellow camaro.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:41 PM   #2
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Good luck on the car. If I had the funds,I would get a Mustang and Challenger as well because I love muscle cars. Camaro's my favorite, so I had to start with one first and foremost. Post a pic of your Mustang.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:45 PM   #3
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GM's build it page does have the RS option seeming to over ride the 1LE option when it comes to the wheels. Ignore it. If you get the 1LE you will get the black ZL1 rims.

The only ground effect that is available come directly with the 1LE package which is the front splitter. You can always have your dealer add the ZL1 side skirts, which I think a lot of people will do.

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Old 09-11-2012, 05:26 AM   #4
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Can't add the ground effects with the dual mode exhaust, they don't match up. Don't think you can have ground effects on your build sheet with just 1LE either but a dealer could add them for you as long as you don't have dual mode exhaust.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:12 AM   #5
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Good luck on the car. If I had the funds,I would get a Mustang and Challenger as well because I love muscle cars. Camaro's my favorite, so I had to start with one first and foremost. Post a pic of your Mustang.
Here I share you my '11 5.0 Mustang GT Brembo pictures.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:13 AM   #6
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GM's build it page does have the RS option seeming to over ride the 1LE option when it comes to the wheels. Ignore it. If you get the 1LE you will get the black ZL1 rims.

The only ground effect that is available come directly with the 1LE package which is the front splitter. You can always have your dealer add the ZL1 side skirts, which I think a lot of people will do.

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Yes I think, that the ZL1 side skirts, will look great!
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:15 AM   #7
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Then I prefer the dual mode exhaust
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:57 AM   #8
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GM's build it page does have the RS option seeming to over ride the 1LE option when it comes to the wheels. Ignore it. If you get the 1LE you will get the black ZL1 rims.

The only ground effect that is available come directly with the 1LE package which is the front splitter. You can always have your dealer add the ZL1 side skirts, which I think a lot of people will do.

Have fun and welcome.
Hi 68vert,
Do you know if the ZL1 side skirts have the same height of the 1LE front splitter? What I really like about the 1LE, is that is track ready, at a great price.
On my GT Brembo I had to install KONI shocks and STEEDA springs to reduce the up and down going of the oem suspension, that made a great improvement on handling and looks.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:39 AM   #9
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Add the ZL1 side skirts. They look better anyway.

Look Justice Pete over in the suspension section and see what he would recommend to make the 1LE even better. My guess is you should look at least look at adding some Pedders cradle bushing inserts to firm up the rear even more. Although, for the most part the 1LE should be ready to go right off the bat.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:17 AM   #10
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What I like from the 2SS: is the head up display
If you're going to track this car, make sure that you can turn the HUD off.

For your own sake as well as for those around you at occasionally triple-digit speeds you do not need this distraction. If it's there and on, you will spend time looking at it that should be spent glancing at important gauges (oil, temp) and concentrating on traffic around you and on what you need to be doing next. Personally, I don't want that kind of insistent distraction at any time, but I'm much more about function and going light on the non-performance/convenience features and gadgets anyway.

There is a CG Lock device and some sort of drop-in padding with bigger bolsters (forget the name) to keep you better located in your seat and reduce your tendency to use the steering wheel as a grab handle first and for vehicle control second. There may be other solutions acceptable to the track day organizers that would not require seat replacement.


I hear you about the Konis, and have heard where Ford maybe didn't get the flat-ride part of their suspension tuning quite right on some of the versions built after my '08 (this is mostly what your springs fixed). I doubt the 1LE will suffer from the same ride quality issues.

There are more things to work with on the Camaro given its IRS, and you'll see a few new supplier names. It's my opinion generally to leave the car stock long enough to get your own ideas about what it is about your car's behavior that you need or want changed, and that you can't know these things until you pay attention while driving it for a while. If nothing else, you'll be better able to discuss your planned mods and more likely to be satisfied by what you do choose to do.


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Old 09-11-2012, 03:06 PM   #11
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If you're going to track this car, make sure that you can turn the HUD off.

For your own sake as well as for those around you at occasionally triple-digit speeds you do not need this distraction. If it's there and on, you will spend time looking at it that should be spent glancing at important gauges (oil, temp) and concentrating on traffic around you and on what you need to be doing next. Personally, I don't want that kind of insistent distraction at any time, but I'm much more about function and going light on the non-performance/convenience features and gadgets anyway.

There is a CG Lock device and some sort of drop-in padding with bigger bolsters (forget the name) to keep you better located in your seat and reduce your tendency to use the steering wheel as a grab handle first and for vehicle control second. There may be other solutions acceptable to the track day organizers that would not require seat replacement.


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I agree with you on CG-lock, but I don't get your point with the HUD. The whole idea behind HUD is to reduce distraction, not increase, and I can always check my speed on HUD driving at the track with my Corvette, while the real gauges are too far down below for me to look especially in corners and braking zones.
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Old 09-11-2012, 04:06 PM   #12
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+1, Just because HUD is there doesn't mean you have to look at it the entire time. It just makes it safer to glance at the HUD compared to refocussing between the guages and the track.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:35 PM   #13
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If you're going to track this car, make sure that you can turn the HUD off.

For your own sake as well as for those around you at occasionally triple-digit speeds you do not need this distraction. If it's there and on, you will spend time looking at it that should be spent glancing at important gauges (oil, temp) and concentrating on traffic around you and on what you need to be doing next. Personally, I don't want that kind of insistent distraction at any time, but I'm much more about function and going light on the non-performance/convenience features and gadgets anyway.

There is a CG Lock device and some sort of drop-in padding with bigger bolsters (forget the name) to keep you better located in your seat and reduce your tendency to use the steering wheel as a grab handle first and for vehicle control second. There may be other solutions acceptable to the track day organizers that would not require seat replacement.


I hear you about the Konis, and have heard where Ford maybe didn't get the flat-ride part of their suspension tuning quite right on some of the versions built after my '08 (this is mostly what your springs fixed). I doubt the 1LE will suffer from the same ride quality issues.

There are more things to work with on the Camaro given its IRS, and you'll see a few new supplier names. It's my opinion generally to leave the car stock long enough to get your own ideas about what it is about your car's behavior that you need or want changed, and that you can't know these things until you pay attention while driving it for a while. If nothing else, you'll be better able to discuss your planned mods and more likely to be satisfied by what you do choose to do.


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CG lock might be a good alternative. I don't agree about your comments on the HUD of the Camaro or Corvette. I think is a great technology achievement. You don't need to look away from your windshield while you are driving, that is a + toward safety. If you have a Radar Detector, you will not stare at it, while you are driving. Pilots of Jet fighters planes have the same technology, and they don't crash because they are looking at their HUD. I never thought that I was going to buy myself a Mustang (Coming from a prior Porsche 911), but I did it after what I noticed, when FORD went to the extreme to improve their rear axle suspension on '11 and later years models (like what was mentioned on the BMW M3 VS '11 Mustang GT Brembo. Article that appeared on MT). And the BOSS Laguna was great, until the 1LE appeared. But we need to be real, IRS is the present and the future, all exotics have IRS not rigid axle, fix axle is something from the past, and you will remind it every time that you find a bump in a corner while riding a Mustang. Camaro 1LE and ZL1 are great cars, and we have to admit it. They are not just straight racers (1/4 mile). Probably the only thing to improve in the Camaro is the weight, because they already found a solution to their SS understeer issue. The Shelby GT500 is a great car, but apparently the FORD Engineers forgot about the brakes, on a 200 MPH sport car. Imagine a great balanced car like the Camaro ZL1 with more power and less weight. All this continuous battle between FORD and Chevrolet will bring a benefit for us, that we are the final customers. Apparently DODGE only haves a great super car the VIPER ACR (that is better than many exotics, just look at the '10 lap times on Nurburgring).

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Old 09-11-2012, 07:40 PM   #14
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Could just tape over the HUD
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:41 PM   #15
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Add the ZL1 side skirts. They look better anyway.

Look Justice Pete over in the suspension section and see what he would recommend to make the 1LE even better. My guess is you should look at least look at adding some Pedders cradle bushing inserts to firm up the rear even more. Although, for the most part the 1LE should be ready to go right off the bat.
I think that the 1LE already has great handling, probably an increase on horsepower or torque or less weight, will make a great car better.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:58 AM   #16
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I agree with you on CG-lock, but I don't get your point with the HUD. The whole idea behind HUD is to reduce distraction, not increase, and I can always check my speed on HUD driving at the track with my Corvette, while the real gauges are too far down below for me to look especially in corners and braking zones.
My point is that when you're on the track, you shouldn't be concerned with the items that are most commonly placed in HUDs. Of the itemized functions in the following list, there is nothing - I repeat, nothing - that you need to know while you're out on track. Other than the vehicle warning messages, they represent useless visual clutter and the potential for distraction as the values they display change slightly.

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* Vehicle speed
* Tachometer
* Compass
* Outside air temperature
* Manual Paddle Shift Gear Indicator (if equipped)
* OnStar Turn-by-Turn
* Audio functions
* Phone information
* Selected gear
* Turn signal indicators
* High-beam indicator signal
* Vehicle messages
That said, a pretty good case could be made for HUD of critical vehicle information such as if oil pressure, fluid temperatures, and electrical system condition fall outside their respective proper operating ranges. Just leave these dark until they're called for, which will make them all the more noticeable when it means that there's something you really need to be aware of.


I fully agree that continually looking down at the real gauges in the dash or console during a track session is just begging for trouble. It can be hard enough to do just once a lap depending on the time of day and track layout.


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CG lock might be a good alternative. I don't agree about your comments on the HUD of the Camaro or Corvette. I think is a great technology achievement. You don't need to look away from your windshield while you are driving, that is a + toward safety. If you have a Radar Detector, you will not stare at it, while you are driving. Pilots of Jet fighters planes have the same technology, and they don't crash because they are looking at their HUD.
I'm not trying to say that HUD technology is a bad thing in and of itself. Only that as it is currently applied to production cars it is not appropriate to track driving. Displaying too much that you don't need to know = closer to "overload" whether you recognize this or not.

Radar detectors - I used to (but haven't for I don't know how many years), but you listen to them rather than look.

I suppose that if the prerequisites and training required before getting your driver's license approached the fighter pilot level, you'd have individuals with legitimate claim to the ability to focus on what is most important and deal with it properly and expeditiously. Most newbies to track driving can't claim anything like this, though.


I really only brought up that point about the IRS so you'd be more aware of suppliers that don't particularly cater to the Mustang world and who in some respects are probably a couple of steps ahead of the newer players. In part, this is due to the car's Australian roots and the aftermarket development that has been going on there.


Side note - the Mustang was a pretty easy decision for me, given that the Camaro and Challenger were both well off into the future at the time I was shopping for a car for me. Seeing guys like Sam Strano and a couple of DC Region guys driving them at autocross demonstrated the potential that was there better than any magazine comparison ever could. I've never really regretted it having a stick axle (and not at all at autocross or on the track), but if the 1LE as currently configured had been available starting late summer of 2007 the decision process would at the very least have been a whole lot more difficult.



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I actually keep an eye on my oil temp graph and corner entry speed on corners where I'm trying to improve myself to see if what I have changed (like late-braking, etc.) benefited; same goes for the corner exit, where I sometimes check for the speed on corners I am working on. Oil temp graph is also very easy to read, and when that bar looks way too tall, I check the real gauges at my next convenient time.

Honestly, more I attend track days, more I check my gauges instead of less. I do check tire pressures to estimate their temp (and bite when they are r compound) and discrepancies between left and right or front and rear, I do check oil temp to see if I am exceeding my 260F self-imposed limit, fuel gauge is also important in every 4th session, since I go through the tank in about 4 sessions, and I should not cause fuel-starvation at a high-G corner by mistake, etc.

Some of these gauges are available in HUD, and this makes life easier, at least for me.
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