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Old 09-16-2012, 07:48 PM   #1
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Snow Tires

Hello. I am new to this forum. I got my new toy this last spring, so this will be the first winter it goes through. I have a 2LT w/ RS package. The tires are 20's. So far, for the last five or six years, we have had fairly minor winters. A few big snow storms here and there. The rest of the time, the roads are wet, and then icy when the temps drop. My prior cars have all been front-wheel drive, and I had studded tires. This is my first rear-wheel drive vehicle. I cannot afford to by a winter beater car. I've consulted with a lot of local tire experts, and their responses are across the board. Some say that Blizzaks are now better than studded tires. My dealership's recommendations, per GM's recommendations, is 19's Pirelli Carving Edge studded. I've done a lot of research online and am confused. I've heard a lot about how 18's will not clear the breaks, but one tire expert in my area says there are Blizzaks that do. GM is saying there isn't. Is there really that big of a difference between 19's and 20's? Anyone have experience with the Carving Edge tires?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm a girl just trying to learn how to take care of her car. Thanks!
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:06 PM   #2
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18's will clear the breaks for starters. Unless you have aftermarket ones. What i would do is get a set of cheap 18in rims and blizzaks on all 4. Thats your best bet, you dont want to fork out the money for 19 or 20 winter tires when there is no reason to.

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Old 09-17-2012, 01:14 PM   #3
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Thank you! Have you had experience with Blizzaks?
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:13 PM   #4
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I ran Blizzaks on my 20's last winter and they handled the snow and ice fine. Just don't drive like a madman.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #5
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I've been looking into winter tires too. As I understand it so far:

You have 20" rims because that's part of the RS package but your 2LT does not have the larger brembo brakes that call for the 20" rims. That means you could use a set of 18 or 19 inch rims and tires. The 20" are usually more expensive. Articles on the Tire Rack website mention that a smaller diameter rim, with corresponding taller rubber, is better for handling rougher winter surfaces, like potholes. Good luck
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:10 AM   #6
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The LT RS can run 18 inch wheels. Set this up with a Bridgestone Blizzak or the Pirelli Scorpion Ice and snow. From our testing and my experience modern snow tires like the Blizzak do out perform studded tires. I have a lot of experience setting these cars up for snow. Please contact me if I can help.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:52 AM   #7
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Which ones do you like better Rudy, Bridgestone or Pirelli?
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:01 PM   #8
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I'm also looking for info on winter wheels and tires. I got a quote today from my local Goodyear dealer and he wants close to $2500 all in for a set of Goodyear Ultragrips on a set of 18" wheels. Can you say OUCH??? Somebody sure likes to rip-off us Canadians.

I was on the Tirerack website and it is recommending 17" wheels for my 2012 2LT RS. Will 17s even fit? If not, even the 18s are a far better price that what the local dealer was quoting.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:26 PM   #9
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For me, I couldn't bring myself to go lower than 18's. I'm wondering if that would look funny? Grasping in the dark on that. Anyone done that? lol

I'm in the same boat with a $2,000.00 quote from my dealership. I'm at the point, however, that I'd pay it for the best. I do wonder why GM is telling them no 18's though.

I have a friend who owns a Dodge Challenger (pretty car - but not as pretty as mine! lol) locally, and she has 18's Pirelli Scorpions without studs. She said they performed fine last winter. Same question to Rudy, though - which would you choose - the Blizzak or Pirelli? And are 18's the best size?
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:51 PM   #10
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I didn`t see either the Pirellis or the Blizzaks when I did up my Tirerack quote. All I had come up was the Goodyear Ultra Grips. They are a bit more expensive at $189 each. My local Goodyear shop is quoting me $299 each for the same tire though.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:05 AM   #11
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Which ones do you like better Rudy, Bridgestone or Pirelli?
Tough Question. I feel the Blizzak have a slight snow traction edge. However based on the Heavier weight of the Gen 5 Camaro I feel the Scorpion offers very close traction performance with better wear so I most often recommend the Pirelli. There are also several Blizzak models so it depends which one and sometimes only one or the other will be available depending what size you need.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:07 AM   #12
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I'm also looking for info on winter wheels and tires. I got a quote today from my local Goodyear dealer and he wants close to $2500 all in for a set of Goodyear Ultragrips on a set of 18" wheels. Can you say OUCH??? Somebody sure likes to rip-off us Canadians.

I was on the Tirerack website and it is recommending 17" wheels for my 2012 2LT RS. Will 17s even fit? If not, even the 18s are a far better price that what the local dealer was quoting.
Yes some 17 inch do fit. I am pretty sure we could save you some money. Hopefully you chouse us to do some business with .
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:16 AM   #13
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Same question to Rudy, though - which would you choose - the Blizzak or Pirelli? And are 18's the best size?
For 18's I would run a 225/60R18 Blizzak. This size is narrower to cut the snow. Now you have 2 options. You can go Blizzak LM60. Go with this one if you do not see heavy snow fall and the roads are plowed quickly. You can go Blizzak WS70. This one is for heavy snow will give you the best snow and ice traction but wears faster and does not handle as good as the LM60. We would love to have your business. We have good quality products and I am sure we could save you some money vs buying from the dealer. IMO I will also have a better idea to what fits.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:18 AM   #14
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I didn`t see either the Pirellis or the Blizzaks when I did up my Tirerack quote. All I had come up was the Goodyear Ultra Grips. They are a bit more expensive at $189 each. My local Goodyear shop is quoting me $299 each for the same tire though.
If these are 18 inch. Look at the 225/60R18 which will work better in the snow and opens up more options. Call me if I can help.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:45 PM   #15
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It cost me roughly $1700 for Blizzaks on all four tires installed at Les Schwab.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:34 PM   #16
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Ended up going with the 225-60/18 Blizzak WS. I got cut a really good deal through a referral to a local tire shop owner, so crossing my fingers that I got it right! He did mention that they may not last as long as the Pirelli's though, but the difference in prices was too significant for me to pass up.

Thanks for everyone's help. I'll post a review on here after this coming winter is up, and let you all know how they did for me.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:01 AM   #17
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try the General Gmax They have a match for the stock Camaro 20inch profile and they got awesome rating in deep snow. i purchased them for the same reason and they are terrific thus far. We will see how they perform come winter!
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try the General Gmax They have a match for the stock Camaro 20inch profile and they got awesome rating in deep snow. i purchased them for the same reason and they are terrific thus far. We will see how they perform come winter!
Why I agree these are good tires I want to caution people from thinking they we be terrific in the snow. These are all season and designed for LIGHT snow (a couple of inches). These do not have the snow flake on the mountain symbol like the other winter tires in this thread. They will not even be close to the Pirelli Scorpion Ice and Snow or the Bridgestone Blizzak in terms of winter grip.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:37 AM   #19
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good catch Rudy! For me 4 inches is the most i would try to drive in, also my expectation for a performance oriented car is if you can drive in 4 or 5 inches you are doing well. I wouldnt attepmt to drive my car in anything over 5 inches anyway. I just want to be able to make it home if im out when it starts. The Pirelli's are gonna give you a problem as soon as a flake hits the ground!
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