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Old 01-10-2008, 02:28 PM   #1
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Bye-bye Viper

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Old 01-10-2008, 02:41 PM   #2
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No $hit!!!
Wow....I can honestly say that's kinda sad. down 70%; That's really sad. Unbelieveable.

I never liked the car, but I think we need a moment of silence for the Viper. (Seriously)

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EDIT: Oh, and we'll have to see what this author thinks of Chevy and their Muscle Cars come 2009...
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:04 PM   #3
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I was insulted by what they had to say about the Corvette.

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Over the years, Detroit manufacturers have repeatedly tried to reinvent the muscle car, without actually building one. Ford keeps giving us “Bullitt” Mustangs. Nice, to be sure. But not muscular. They do the GT500 version, and just end up muscle bound. Chevy, on the other hand, has done even more poorly. In the old days, you could order a Vette and check only two boxes on the option sheet: M-22 and 427. Can’t order a Vette with the killer motor and radio delete today, though. The ZR1 probably comes with navigation standard.
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:23 PM   #4
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That was a really dumb analysis of muscle cars (they don't have to be strippers to be muscle).

Sad to see the Viper go. It was amazing, something special. It wasn't the best performance car, but there was just something so significant about it. It is probably best that Chrysler let it go, and I worry that they might still be in trouble for a long time, or not even make it through the next few years at all. Sad times. Darn you Daimler! :fighting0040:
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Wow thats kind of a shock....But the ZR1 was going to put it in its place once and for all anyways.
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:57 PM   #6
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That was a really dumb analysis of muscle cars (they don't have to be strippers to be muscle).

Sad to see the Viper go. It was amazing, something special. It wasn't the best performance car, but there was just something so significant about it. It is probably best that Chrysler let it go, and I worry that they might still be in trouble for a long time, or not even make it through the next few years at all. Sad times. Darn you Daimler! :fighting0040:
I'm insulted, too. The Corvette doesn't feature the most luxurious styling because Chevrolet wants us to focus on the numbers and the exterior. With brand development, the Corvette is a symbol of American muscle.

Chrysler is screwed. They have a lot of work to do if they want to save what remains of their companies.
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:08 PM   #7
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You know what would be cool (If Chrysler can survive and become viable again), is if they pull a Camaro and bring it back in a few years and make it better than ever. Come on, Corvette needs some good ol' American muscle car competition. Heck, GM might have started a new marketing strategy, kill a brand and bring it back better than ever with tons of publicity.
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:02 AM   #8
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Well that sux. But, take a look at the price. IMO, it's cost is up there. Sure wish it'd stick around for a while.
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:09 AM   #9
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noooooooo!!!!!! that would be the stupidest move ever made by chrysler the viper is a household name everyone knows the dodge viper, maybe a year off but dont kill it
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:09 AM   #10
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That was a really dumb analysis of muscle cars (they don't have to be strippers to be muscle).

Sad to see the Viper go. It was amazing, something special. It wasn't the best performance car, but there was just something so significant about it. It is probably best that Chrysler let it go, and I worry that they might still be in trouble for a long time, or not even make it through the next few years at all. Sad times. Darn you Daimler! :fighting0040:
Daimler doesn't own Chrysler anymore. They read the writing on the wall and dumped them a couple years ago.
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:11 AM   #11
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Daimler doesn't own Chrysler anymore. They read the writing on the wall and dumped them a couple years ago.
Less than a year ago...damn. Time flys, huh?
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:03 AM   #12
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one time i was valeting a viper and burned my leg on the side exhaust that they have and hated them ever since!
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one time i was valeting a viper and burned my leg on the side exhaust that they have and hated them ever since!
Yeah, they had that problem early on....first couple years anyway....then they fixed it. If I remember correctly, they went away from side exhaust for one year, and fans of the car screamed bloody murder until they put it back. They just had to insulate the door sills more to keep it from being a problem.

Sad to see it go. If it has to go for Chrysler to stay alive, then it's probably for the best. I've always liked the Viper, but I think I'd rather have a solid, viable American car company around rather than just one car that I won't ever own anyway. As much as I'm not a fan of Chrysler, they are American and every one of their cars sold is one fewer Toyota, Honda, or Hyundai on the roads.

Hopefully Chrysler can get the ship righted and as someone mentioned, bring back the Viper in a few years.
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You know what would be cool (If Chrysler can survive and become viable again), is if they pull a Camaro and bring it back in a few years and make it better than ever. Come on, Corvette needs some good ol' American muscle car competition. Heck, GM might have started a new marketing strategy, kill a brand and bring it back better than ever with tons of publicity.
They might not have the time to do that. I hear they are in pretty rough shape
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:10 PM   #15
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GM is the only one of the top 3 manufacturers who isn't having "money trouble"
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GM is the only one of the top 3 manufacturers who isn't having "money trouble"
What was it then when GM lost $39 billion in the fall? Also, what sort of trouble is Toyota having right now?
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:17 PM   #17
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What was it then when GM lost $39 billion in the fall? Also, what sort of trouble is Toyota having right now?
Too many Toyotathons IMO
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What was it then when GM lost $39 billion in the fall? Also, what sort of trouble is Toyota having right now?
That was a taxes technicality. They didn't actually lose any money sales-speaking. They are dead even with taxes, and writeoffs as I understand it. So this will allow them to focus more on profits now, as I understand it.

And I believe (could be wrong) that he meant the Big 3.
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That was a taxes technicality. They didn't actually lose any money sales-speaking. They are dead even with taxes, and writeoffs as I understand it. So this will allow them to focus more on profits now, as I understand it.

And I believe (could be wrong) that he meant the Big 3.
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Ok, that pretty much answers my question. Back on topic.

The Viper was an amazing car, know by all to be an uncompromising beast. It was created by a couple of the biggest names in the automotive industry, Bob Lutz and Carol Shelby. The comparison tests between the Viper and the Corvette have been amazing to watch and to read. I suppose this is a bitter sweet victory for the Corvette and GM, similar to what Ford had when the Camaro and Firebird production ended.
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Ok, that pretty much answers my question. Back on topic.

The Viper was an amazing car, know by all to be an uncompromising beast. It was created by a couple of the biggest names in the automotive industry, Bob Lutz and Carol Shelby. The comparison tests between the Viper and the Corvette have been amazing to watch and to read. I suppose this is a bitter sweet victory for the Corvette and GM, similar to what Ford had when the Camaro and Firebird production ended.
True that, but maybe Dodge/chrysler/Jeep/Plymouth - MOPAR has something up their sleeves for 2010 or 2011 ...... I know at one time they had a concept of a baby viper (copperhead) in the works but I think they canceled it all together
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The Viper was an amazing car, know by all to be an uncompromising beast. It was created by a couple of the biggest names in the automotive industry, Bob Lutz and Carol Shelby.
You know, you bring up an intersting point that's been stewing in my mind ever since I heard this.

I know it was his job - but I wonder how Mr. Lutz feels about this. Bitter Sweet might be an understatement. That was the highest-profile Hi-Po car he got together for Chrysler, wasn't it? And now he's done it again, by approving ZR-1. Which you notice was mentioned as a player in the death of the snake. Given the financial situation that Chrysler's in, they can't top the ZR-1.

Heh, he changed teams, and killed one of his brainchildren with a better one!
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i meant the Big American 3 by the way
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i meant the Big American 3 by the way
Dodge GM ford?
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