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Old 09-21-2012, 07:52 PM   #18
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We have a customers 69 SS clone with a built 350, built trans and FTI converter and new interior and paint for $20K if you want a Gen 1 Camaro...black w/white stripes and balck interior.

Let me know & I can post pics if interested, but 5k for a 6 cyl shell is alot.

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Old 09-21-2012, 08:03 PM   #19
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We have a customers 69 SS clone with a built 350, built trans and FTI converter and new interior and paint for $20K if you want a Gen 1 Camaro...black w/white stripes and balck interior.

Let me know & I can post pics if interested, but 5k for a 6 cyl shell is alot.

Thats not a bad deal if its good condition.......can't build it for that.
Can you post some pics or a link?
Does it have AC?
What kind of Diff?
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:35 PM   #20
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I think the best approach nowadays is find a totally terrible car.....buy a whole new body and do a tag swap.......body work is expensive....and they never get it totally right.......finished metal is easy to paint.
Also very illegal in most places.

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Make a deal for it now before someone with more money than Bill Gates or Warren Buffet comes along and pays stupid money for it.
Disagree x5000. That's WAY WAY to expensive.

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$5000. Sounds good post some pictures, and make sure you get under the car and look for rust.
5k is a BAD deal, that's a lot of money.

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$5,000 for a stripped out shell is WAY to much
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Ya know......$5K is kinda market price for a rusted roller 68. The same for a 69 is 8K-10K......which is why people are just starting to buy total trash for the VIN title.....usually around 1K.

Then they just buy a new body and everything is spray and bolt-on...easy peasy....The sheet metal is a bit thinner, but once its painted nobody can tell.

You can buy a new trim tag....with whatever codes you want....they counterfeit just about everything these days....

I like the pro touring (where did that name come from?) because you can buy some great stuff out of the box. GM has an LS3 "connect and cruise" for $11K....engine and trans with warranty......
If I do another one, thats the route I'll go.

I saw a BS metallic apple green truck yesterday go for $72K at BarrettJackson....$3K (el cheapo) crate motor (heads were painted to look like aluminum).....the guy maybe had 25K in the truck....crazy price.
So it depends on what you want to do.
So illegal I don't even know where to begin, not to mention unethical. And saying that nobody can tell once it's painted is completely incorrect. There are a ton of giveaways that tell a repro body from an original one.

5k isn't really market price either for a rusted out shell. It's about double what you should pay.

There's a lot of bad advise in this thread. 5k for a shell is a bad deal, there is much better available for the money.

You're pretty much going to end up spending 20-25k for body work and paint IF you can find a good shop to do it. Realistically you're going to end up with at least 1 shop taking some money from you and your car sitting there for a while with nothing being done. Sometimes it's 2 shops, its just what happens. You're also going to need 5-8k for a completely stock interior assuming there's not much there to salvage. You WILL have at least 30-35k into it when you're all said and done, and if you had to sell it would be lucky to lose 5k on it.

You'd be far ahead of the game to buy something like this: http://www.mikescustomcars.com/69bodies.htm#
or this:
http://www.musclecarmetal.com/refurb.htm

and building from that. It's all new metal, it's got an original GM Vin and trim tag, and you know it's rust free.

Don't listen to me...I'm in the process of restoring a 68 Camaro for the last 5 years and have been through and seen it all.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:32 PM   #21
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Also very illegal in most places.

Disagree x5000. That's WAY WAY to expensive.

5k is a BAD deal, that's a lot of money.

Correct!

So illegal I don't even know where to begin, not to mention unethical. And saying that nobody can tell once it's painted is completely incorrect. There are a ton of giveaways that tell a repro body from an original one.
Done every day...title is abstract, its not physical. To think otherwise is just naive. The last time I was at Classic Industries (the largest classic repro retailer) two guys were taking delivery of 69 bodies....The sales guy said they sell 15 to 20 per month! Where do you think those cars go? Dragstrip? Hell no. They end up on Ebay, autotrader, and BarretJackson as Frame off restos.

To the OP want some really good advice? Buy, don't build if you want a classic.
I got a really nice 73 SS I'm negotiating on right now......Its all done....guy has like $25K into it........he'll take 10K.....I offered him 9K and he's thinking.
But that car with an LS3 and AC will do $35K at auction.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:38 PM   #22
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Done every day...title is abstract, its not physical. To think otherwise is just naive. The last time I was at Classic Industries (the largest classic repro retailer) two guys were taking delivery of 69 bodies....The sales guy said they sell 15 to 20 per month! Where do you think those cars go? Dragstrip? Hell no. They end up on Ebay, autotrader, and BarretJackson as Frame off restos.

To the OP want some really good advice? Buy, don't build if you want a classic.
I got a really nice 73 SS I'm negotiating on right now......Its all done....guy has like $25K into it........he'll take 10K.....I offered him 9K and he's thinking.
But that car with an LS3 and AC will do $35K at auction.
Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it any less illegal. When you buy a "new" dynacorn body, it comes with an MSO that you can register and get a state issued vin. If you put a old gm vin on it you're violating a ton of federal and likely state laws.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:50 AM   #23
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Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it any less illegal. When you buy a "new" dynacorn body, it comes with an MSO that you can register and get a state issued vin. If you put a old gm vin on it you're violating a ton of federal and likely state laws.
I stopped being judgemental about process many years back......
I don't know that it is illegal but if it was it is totally unenforceable.
From a restorer's point of view, which is driven by time and cost to get to value and profit, it is infinitely easier and faster to drill out two tags and swap to a new body, than it is to
1. Media blast
2. Cut out rust
3. Fabricate new areas
4. Finish (They never get it 100% correct)
To repair can take months and $1000's whereas it only takes 2 hours to swap tags.
And there are no VIN tag police inspecting restos......

And from a buyer's standpoint, I think I would rather have all new formed metal than welded patches and filler.

The industry is driven by cost and profit.....which is again why Pro Touring creations are in more demand than #matching restos......just too much counterfeiting going on.....difficult to authenticate.

That and I'm also seeing buyers do want the classic cars, but with latest technology....fuel injection, good AC, push button start, nav, bluetooth, etc.

Case in point
At BJ today...this 71 went for $41k. LS drivetrain (cheapo one like $5K total from a G4 camaro) and a very weak attempt at a split bumper.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...ln=345&aid=465

In comparison an authentic 70 1/2 resto would struggle to fetch 30K but would cost 40K to restore.

Illegal or not buyers drive what restorers produce.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:20 AM   #24
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blue89bird has some good input here....would listen to him. We have been restoring classic muscle for over 38 years and VIN's and trim tags are crucial. The lasy 69 I sold was a true DZ 302 Z28 roller....and it was rough but got top dollar in less than 1/2 day on ebay.

Here is the one we did a few years back for a customer that he wants $20k for. It looks awesome from 20' but it is far from a concourse show car...it is a good looking tuff/fast street car that shows well.

Fast as heck...built 350 with stall converter and built trans. Interior is all new, but not 100% perfect. (carpet and all, including headliner).

He spent over $25 k just on the restoration and drivetrain but is in a finincial jam so it wont last long:









This has not been advertised yet and this post is the first.


On the bare bodies, those are Dynacorn shells and you can title them as they come with a certificate of orign.

This car is a true 69 care.



Oh, we can add AC for app $2k.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:01 PM   #25
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blue89bird has some good input here....would listen to him. We have been restoring classic muscle for over 38 years and VIN's and trim tags are crucial. The lasy 69 I sold was a true DZ 302 Z28 roller....and it was rough but got top dollar in less than 1/2 day on ebay.

Here is the one we did a few years back for a customer that he wants $20k for. It looks awesome from 20' but it is far from a concourse show car...it is a good looking tuff/fast street car that shows well.

Fast as heck...built 350 with stall converter and built trans. Interior is all new, but not 100% perfect. (carpet and all, including headliner).

He spent over $25 k just on the restoration and drivetrain but is in a finincial jam so it wont last long:









This has not been advertised yet and this post is the first.


On the bare bodies, those are Dynacorn shells and you can title them as they come with a certificate of orign.

This car is a true 69 care.



Oh, we can add AC for app $2k.
That is a great price, I would snap it up in a minute if I lived closer. I had a chance to buy a 67 RS a while back and there asking price was $27,000 but remember this is California.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:09 PM   #26
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We bought our 68' 12 yrs. ago and it had everything for 2,500. it back fired all the way home and needed paint and work on motor. we had it restored the way we wanted it. but, I think 5,000 and empty is way too much.
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:17 PM   #27
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Wow!
Tons of good info here- thank you

So if i were to get an acceptable deal i could build a "tribute" or replica ZL1 or Z28???
- and not feel like i was completely wasting
the money?

To be wrth money as a "tribute car" what on the car must match the original - Badging? Drivetrain? Interior?

Is a "tribute car" with a fiberglass trunk lid worth less??
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What you want to do is buy one that someone has already done and spent more money than you are paying.

That SS looks pretty good.

SC.....do you have pictures of the engine compartment and underside?
How far are you from Miami?
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:48 PM   #29
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To the OP... more important then even the price... is, what are your skill levels??

So many people buy a project car (or can even be given one for free), thinking that it is easy to build one, only to find out thousands of dollars later that they are in way over their head

I have had to pass on more than one incredible deals in the past, just because I'm not the greatest fabricator. Whereas some of my friends can do some amazing stuff, so for them there are tons of deals out there

Just remember, there are TONS of half completed projects out there, selling for a loss, from people that have all the skills in the world, just because they got discouraged at some point or just lost interest. If you don't have what it takes to complete something like that on your own, it is very likely that the same can happen to you

Just something to think about, from someone that has personally seen it happen to others, way to many times
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Wow!
Tons of good info here- thank you

So if i were to get an acceptable deal i could build a "tribute" or replica ZL1 or Z28???
- and not feel like i was completely wasting
the money?

To be wrth money as a "tribute car" what on the car must match the original - Badging? Drivetrain? Interior?

Is a "tribute car" with a fiberglass trunk lid worth less??
A "tribute car" or a "clone" is just a fake representation of an original, so badging, body materials, etc, really don't factor much into the price. Lots of times the builders of "clone cars" will take the liberty of improving on little details (safety items can usually be one of the more pronounced changes) that don't detract from the original look and feel of the car they are trying to copy. That is the beautiful thing about building a car that way.

People go in knowing that they aren't buying the real thing, so they aren't going to be concerned about a lot of stuff, that would normally be of major concern on a factory numbers matching original car
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To the OP... more important then even the price... is, what are your skill levels??

So many people buy a project car (or can even be given one for free), thinking that it is easy to build one, only to find out thousands of dollars later that they are in way over their head

I have had to pass on more than one incredible deals in the past, just because I'm not the greatest fabricator. Whereas some of my friends can do some amazing stuff, so for them there are tons of deals out there

Just remember, there are TONS of half completed projects out there, selling for a loss, from people that have all the skills in the world, just because they got discouraged at some point or just lost interest. If you don't have what it takes to complete something like that on your own, it is very likely that the same can happen to you

Just something to think about, from someone that has personally seen it happen to others, way to many times

Wisely said.........
Buy vs. Build!
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So what is the best paint shop in the vegas area???
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:28 PM   #33
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Well
I bought it- and i paid too much but its the best one for sale in alaska
Had the body guy look it over and make a plan
Hopefully be ready for the LS7 by summer!!
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