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Old 09-19-2012, 09:09 PM   #1
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oil catch tank

i got tank mounted today in special location,, will up date how it does.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:10 PM   #2
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If I were to have that. I would take a brillopad and stretch it out some and place it in between in there. Some sort of filtering media.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:14 PM   #3
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does not open no access-- by the way your car was 15 back from my #435

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Old 09-19-2012, 09:20 PM   #4
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test unit

i'll let you know how it does jimmy- you must live on here too, thanks for all your input, f-bodfather says we should all be caring people on here.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:44 PM   #5
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I've been hearing everyone talk about the need for the catch can and how much you need one. Can someone please tell me why it is needed so bad and if it is worth it if i dont plan on racing my ZL1?
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I've been hearing everyone talk about the need for the catch can and how much you need one. Can someone please tell me why it is needed so bad and if it is worth it if i dont plan on racing my ZL1?
I'm not a mechanic so I didn't even know what a catch can was till I looked it up. I found a video of a 'how to' by a young man who made one from a pickle jar. He put it on a pickup truck (Ford F150 I believe). He rev'd the engine and through the merit of using a pickle jar, you could see the fog of - for lack of a better term - impurities. As I understand it, that goes back into your intake?? You don't have to race your car for that impurity to start building up over time. It undoubtedly would take a longer time, but it's going to get there. I'm planning on taking my ZL1 to 'lapping nights' at my local track once in a while. But even without that plan, I'd like to think that I'm getting all the performance out of my car all the time. The catch can is just one way to help do that. I don't think it's expensive either. And it seems pretty simple to hook up.

Maybe have a look for that video on Youtube.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:11 PM   #7
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Here's the link.


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Old 09-22-2012, 12:03 PM   #8
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no sign of oil

well 4 days of use not a sign of any oil in can as of yet maybe by 3000 miles, or go race it hard for several hours??????
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:58 PM   #9
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We did the oil pull through test and it saturated the clear glass fuel filter in less than 100 miles and it had a vacuum leak we could not stop....so when we tried to open the can none of the joints would release. So we cut it lengthways (as we do with all we test) and here is what we found:



There is a plastic resin poured into it (thats the clear windows) and that is what seals it all together. Well it did not cover all inside so it allowed vacuum to leak out the top portion. (see the section on the bottom, right next to the tube, at the top where the resin did not coat....you DONT want a vacuum leak causing a lean condition, especially on a FI engine).

As you can see, the top section is the same simple in and out and the screen is below it all. If they extended the inlet tube into the screen this would actuall work much better as the screen would coalesce a good amount of the oil, and the oil laden vapors would still condense some by cooling before exiting through the screen. But the plastic insulates the cooling the aluminum would normally give so its ability to condesnse is greatly reduced.

So, in conclusion, this looks great, but is really no different from the other ebay/china style cans.

The vacuum leak is pretty substantial but we still collected some oil. I would NOT put this on a car I paid $60k for......

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Old 09-22-2012, 03:02 PM   #10
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ZL1bullet. That mason jar will work far better as the glass will transfer heat very well and condense some of the oil where the ebay cans plastic inside insulates it preventing it from cooling well.

This video is an excellent example of what happens inside any can...and even though it is empty as well with just 2 fittings on it, it is large enough for the flow to slow enough so the condesing oil can fall out of suspension.

More effective than any of the ebay type cans.

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I've been hearing everyone talk about the need for the catch can and how much you need one. Can someone please tell me why it is needed so bad and if it is worth it if i dont plan on racing my ZL1?

Here are some good threads to read:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250890

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249974
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I'm looking for advice from engine builders, or sponsors, doing modifications currently on the ZL1. My question is; who do you regard as the best fitting, and best overall performing catch can available for the ZL1. Is RX about as good as it gets? I want something that fits right, looks like it belongs there, and is well designed. Anyone have any pics of a RX catch can installed on a ZL1?
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:50 PM   #13
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It can also be mounted lower and less visable if desired.

Have been building race and performance engines for over 38 year, but here is a brief list of other qualifications:

I have been a GM tech and building race and peformance engines for over 38 years. I am in regular contact with GM, Ford & Chrysler engineers and we share tech info. I AM an automotive/mechanical engineer, graduate of reher Morrisson race engine building school, have developed products for the performance industry the past 20 or so years, manufacture 33 currently, sell these to GM dealers all the time, Do seminars for GM service departments on the causes and solutions for excess oil consumption as well as the issues for oil ingestion and how to avoid them (#1 warranty complaint for years running with GM), contributing editor to several performance industry publications, and I am showing actual pictures of engines and their mileage here in our shop where we tear these down and rebuild daily.

We are known as one of the foremost authorities on the GM 3.6L direct injection engine and also have run, owned, managed, driven, and crewed in some of the winningest drag teams in NHRA & IHRA Sportsman classes as well as the big $ bracket series.

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Old 09-25-2012, 11:08 AM   #14
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Just ordered mine yesterday in CRT. Can't wait to get and install it. First mod to the car! I want this thing to outlast my grandkids, when I have them. It sounds like this is a step in the right direction. Reading everything you've written about this, it definitely sounded like my first must have.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:30 PM   #15
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Is there a current set of detailed instructions for the "Dual" inlet can? Or even more photos of the installation done above.

Not being able to see the complete installation from the above photo, but it appears the catch can mounted at the location sure makes the engine bay look cluttered with all of those hoses.

Does it matter at what height the can has to be located or the length of any of the hoses?

If it doesn't I think mounting it out in front of the radiator and dressing the hoses down neatly would be a huge improvement.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:52 PM   #16
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www.RevXtreme.com in the lower left of the j=home page is the link for all the instructions.
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Thanks SC2150 for the link, please excuse my lack knowledge but which of these should I order for my ZL1? Or should I be looking for a single valve for the ZL1?



Again please excuse my ignorance, but I don't see installation instructions for the dual valve can on a ZL1. Both sets of Dual Valve instructions appear to be for a Procharger install.



Also when mounting does it matter how long the hoses are ? Will adding extra length to reach the front grill area degrade the catch cans preformance?

Thanks for your help
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Get a single valve can, as far as directions, check out this thread
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=zl1+catch
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:42 PM   #19
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Get a single valve can, as far as directions, check out this thread
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=zl1+catch
Thanks Jimmy, after re-reading your thread I had forgotten that Matt and SC2150 both said the dual and single inlet cans will work for the ZL1. I think I will just stick to the single inlet unless one of the RX guys chimes in and says the dual is a huge improvement.

I guess just ordering the L99/LS3 single inlet can would be the proper choice. Thanks for your help.
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ok I understand what this does however my questions is why doesn't GM install them if it is that effective and not expensive?
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Is there a current set of detailed instructions for the "Dual" inlet can? Or even more photos of the installation done above.

Not being able to see the complete installation from the above photo, but it appears the catch can mounted at the location sure makes the engine bay look cluttered with all of those hoses.

Does it matter at what height the can has to be located or the length of any of the hoses?

If it doesn't I think mounting it out in front of the radiator and dressing the hoses down neatly would be a huge improvement.

When you call they will tell you the ZL1 takes the dual valve can. I had emailed them because I had a few questions. In the reply they said I need the dual valve and do not need a breather cap. When I called to order they also said the same thing, and this was just on Monday.
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www.RevXtreme.com in the lower left of the j=home page is the link for all the instructions.
I ordered mine on Monday as well. Which one of the dual valve instructions on the home page link are for the ZL1?
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ok I understand what this does however my questions is why doesn't GM install them if it is that effective and not expensive?

Here is the best explaination that I have read. It's post #23 on http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250890 . I don't like it, but it does make good business sense from GM's point. When it would possibly be a problem it would be out of warranty, so they make more on repairs and didn't have to spend the extra 100 or so on every car. This way the can make out on both ends.
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It can also be mounted lower and less visable if desired.

Have been building race and performance engines for over 38 year, but here is a brief list of other qualifications:

I have been a GM tech and building race and peformance engines for over 38 years. I am in regular contact with GM, Ford & Chrysler engineers and we share tech info. I AM an automotive/mechanical engineer, graduate of reher Morrisson race engine building school, have developed products for the performance industry the past 20 or so years, manufacture 33 currently, sell these to GM dealers all the time, Do seminars for GM service departments on the causes and solutions for excess oil consumption as well as the issues for oil ingestion and how to avoid them (#1 warranty complaint for years running with GM), contributing editor to several performance industry publications, and I am showing actual pictures of engines and their mileage here in our shop where we tear these down and rebuild daily.

We are known as one of the foremost authorities on the GM 3.6L direct injection engine and also have run, owned, managed, driven, and crewed in some of the winningest drag teams in NHRA & IHRA Sportsman classes as well as the big $ bracket series.

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